The Energon Pub

R.I.D., Armada, Energon, Cybertron, and ROTF Optimus Prime are all combiners... sort of... ROTF just kinda wore a corpse but we'll count him anyway.

On the other side...

R.I.D. Ultra Magnus combined to form Omega Prime.

Armada Jetfire combined to form an extra change of pants because his trailer was posable enough and Overload sat on his shoulders as two giant cannons.

Energon Wingsaber formed his limbs in two different combinations. Omega Supreme protected his body and well it was just Omega Supreme with a tiny Optimus Prime head. And while I don't think it was ever offically used in the cartoon Omega Supreme does have ports in which you can hook on Optimus Prime's drones but you could allso attach Wingsaber to them.

Cybertron Leobreaker formed his freaking arm while this version of Wingsaber formed the first decent looking combiner sence Omega Prime. I'm not sure if it's possible to make both of them combine with Optimus at the same time as I don't own any of them. (But I really want all 3 of them.)

And Finally we have the newest combiner where Jetfire actully makes Optimus Prime more powerfull insted of just giveing flying pants. However this time Jetfire has to die which means unless they want to carrey around a corpse with them everywhere they go or they can repair Jetfire's body and put his spark back we will probly never see this on screen ever again.

Other than all this have you noticed and/or wondered about why there's an even amount of land and air combiners but not an even amount of characters?

Overload could of easily been Ultra Magnus in fact that mold has been repainted as Ultra Magnus but it was in a different toy line and never used on the show. Actully Overload wasn't even used on the show... well he was but not as a character, he was a lifeless weapon that never spoke, acted on it's own, or was ever seen in robot mode. Basically worse than ROTF Jetfire, at least he was a character. Or depending on how you look at it I guess it's better to combine with something that was never alive than to combine with a corpse.

So for land Autobots, I would say Vehicles by Leo Breaker was a lion.

Ultra Magnus, Overload, Omega Supreme, and Leo Breaker.

For Flyers we only have Jetfire and Wingsaber.

Why reuse the flyers names but make a new land combiner every time?

And even better, what if we could design something for all 6 of them to combine with Optimus at the same time! That would be one crazy combiner and Leo Breaker would be such an outcast as the only member with an organic alt mode.

So how about getting Megatron some more help. All he has is Tidal Wave and Nemesis Breaker to combine with and both of them suck. Tidal Wave does nothing but completly destroy Megatron's articulation and Nemesis Breaker, well he's a Leo Breaker repaint, he's a freaking arm.

Rial Vestro wrote:So how about getting Megatron some more help.

ahhhh but that's just it, Megatron's the "big bad". In the recent series (R.I.D., Armada, Energon, Cybertron), Megatron has always been stronger than Optimus Prime, which is why he's needed help from others. (And when they got tired of Megatron they used Unicron)
(As for ROTF, just substitute The Fallen for Megatron, same deal though)

Plus cartoons these days are all about promoting "team work", so Prime working with his fellow Autobots to overcome a big bad is sending a great message to kids!

Frankly i'd like to see G1 Optimus come along and slap his name sakes because he never needed any damn power ups to take on Megatron.

Burn wrote:Frankly i'd like to see G1 Optimus come along and slap his name sakes because he never needed any damn power ups to take on Megatron.

What about Primal? He never needed any power ups either and Megatron was upgraded more times than Primal was.

I'd like to see G1 Galvatron slap all the other Galvatrons because he got more than a simple repaint before changeing his name and bragging about how much more powerfull he was than Megatron.

Rial Vestro wrote:

Burn wrote:Frankly i'd like to see G1 Optimus come along and slap his name sakes because he never needed any damn power ups to take on Megatron.

What about Primal? He never needed any power ups either and Megatron was upgraded more times than Primal was.

If you call any form changing an "upgrade", you'd be right, for Beast Machines at least. In Beast Wars they had the same amount:

Primal
Normal
Transmetal
Optimal (NOT a Transmetal 2)
Beast Machines

Megatron
Normal
Transmetal
Transmetal 2
(Noble/Savage)
Grand Mal
(Diagnotic Drone)
Optimal Optimus body

Rial Vestro wrote:So how about getting Megatron some more help. All he has is Tidal Wave and Nemesis Breaker to combine with and both of them suck. Tidal Wave does nothing but completly destroy Megatron's articulation and Nemesis Breaker, well he's a Leo Breaker repaint, he's a freaking arm.

Megatron was a combiner in G1. He was basically a target-master.

How about having Starscream as Megatron's arm? Then Megatron can stab himself in the back!

Personally I prefer Megatron not to combine with any other Transformers. Unless he upgrades himself with the corpse of a foe. G1 Megatron was a bit too submissive with his alt mode in my opinion.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Primal
Normal
Transmetal
Optimal (NOT a Transmetal 2)
Beast Machines

Megatron
Normal
Transmetal
Transmetal 2
(Noble/Savage)
Grand Mal
(Diagnotic Drone)
Optimal Optimus body

Primal
Normal
Transmetal
Optimal (IS a Transmetal 2)
Technorganic

Megatron
Normal
Transmetal
Transmetal 2
Technorganic
Floating Fortress Head
Optimal Optimus Body

Nobal/Savage and Diagnostic drone don't really count because they were seperate characters Megatron's spark simply inhabited. Counting them would be like counting Waspinator as an upgraded Starscream.

Optimal Optimus and Transmetal 2 Megatron were both created by the same means, takeing the spark of their original name sakes. As such if one is a TM2 so is the other and if one is not so is the other.

Rial Vestro wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Primal
Normal
Transmetal
Optimal (NOT a Transmetal 2)
Beast Machines

Megatron
Normal
Transmetal
Transmetal 2
(Noble/Savage)
Grand Mal
(Diagnotic Drone)
Optimal Optimus body

Primal
Normal
Transmetal
Optimal (IS a Transmetal 2)
Technorganic

Megatron
Normal
Transmetal
Transmetal 2
Technorganic
Floating Fortress Head
Optimal Optimus Body

Nobal/Savage and Diagnostic drone don't really count because they were seperate characters Megatron's spark simply inhabited. Counting them would be like counting Waspinator as an upgraded Starscream.

Optimal Optimus and Transmetal 2 Megatron were both created by the same means, takeing the spark of their original name sakes. As such if one is a TM2 so is the other and if one is not so is the other.

You're forgetting:
- Megatron still had his TM2 body in Beast Machines, only with some organic parts forcefully removed. He was in no way Technorganic like the Maximals were as he transformed normally with accompanying noise.
- Optimal Optimus was marketed as a Transmetal still, but Megatron was marketed as a Transmetal 2.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:- Megatron still had his TM2 body in Beast Machines, only with some organic parts forcefully removed. He was in no way Technorganic like the Maximals were as he transformed normally with accompanying noise.
- Optimal Optimus was marketed as a Transmetal still, but Megatron was marketed as a Transmetal 2.

You're forgetting that Primal reformatted Megatron durring his first encounter with him on Cybertron. Why, I have no idea, but it sured pissed him off.

And toy packageing is irrelivant with the events of the cartoon.

Rial Vestro wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:- Megatron still had his TM2 body in Beast Machines, only with some organic parts forcefully removed. He was in no way Technorganic like the Maximals were as he transformed normally with accompanying noise.
- Optimal Optimus was marketed as a Transmetal still, but Megatron was marketed as a Transmetal 2.

You're forgetting that Primal reformatted Megatron durring his first encounter with him on Cybertron. Why, I have no idea, but it sured pissed him off.

And toy packageing is irrelivant with the events of the cartoon.

I thought that "reformatting failed.

I got to re-watch that episode

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Rial Vestro wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:- Megatron still had his TM2 body in Beast Machines, only with some organic parts forcefully removed. He was in no way Technorganic like the Maximals were as he transformed normally with accompanying noise.
- Optimal Optimus was marketed as a Transmetal still, but Megatron was marketed as a Transmetal 2.

You're forgetting that Primal reformatted Megatron durring his first encounter with him on Cybertron. Why, I have no idea, but it sured pissed him off.

And toy packageing is irrelivant with the events of the cartoon.

I thought that "reformatting failed.

I got to re-watch that episode

Actually, that was a mere transformation. It plays into the idea that Transmetals 2, which Megatron currently was, have trouble controlling their rage. In Megs case, it makes him transform into his Dragon form he despises, and fall from his cloak harness. The accompanying background and sudden form changes form mechanical to organic are actually techniques frequently used in anime, which Mainframe was playing with. It had nothing to do with reformatting whatsoever, as Megatron kept his Dragon form inside the mechanical cloak harness for most of the first season.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Rial Vestro wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:- Megatron still had his TM2 body in Beast Machines, only with some organic parts forcefully removed. He was in no way Technorganic like the Maximals were as he transformed normally with accompanying noise.
- Optimal Optimus was marketed as a Transmetal still, but Megatron was marketed as a Transmetal 2.

You're forgetting that Primal reformatted Megatron durring his first encounter with him on Cybertron. Why, I have no idea, but it sured pissed him off.

And toy packageing is irrelivant with the events of the cartoon.

I thought that "reformatting failed.

I got to re-watch that episode

Actually, that was a mere transformation. It plays into the idea that Transmetals 2, which Megatron currently was, have trouble controlling their rage. In Megs case, it makes him transform into his Dragon form he despises, and fall from his cloak harness. The accompanying background and sudden form changes form mechanical to organic are actually techniques frequently used in anime, which Mainframe was playing with. It had nothing to do with reformatting whatsoever, as Megatron kept his Dragon form inside the mechanical cloak harness for most of the first season.

Even if that's all true you could still consider it a new form because the exsperiments Megatron was doing did in fact change his appearance even before Primal tried to reformat him.

Think about it, we never saw his robot mode outside of the harness but we do know his head was different from what we could see of it threw the helmet. TM2 Megatron had a dome helmet design that covered part of his face along with the tail that came from the back of it all of which would not of been able to fit inside the controll harness helmet which seemed to be more fitted to his original or Transmetal head sculpt. Heck, technically TM2 Megatron wouldn't even be able to fit his massive wings in that harness.

In some way or other that controll harness Megatron was not the same TM2 Megatron but maybe some altered version of it.

Maybe an adapted form, or even a sub-form, but it's still not a new true form or even an upgrade in my books. It was still worth noting

Burn wrote:
Frankly i'd like to see G1 Optimus come along and slap his name sakes because he never needed any damn power ups to take on Megatron.

Unless you count that natural power up that he carried around with him at all times call the Matrix of Leadership.

joesaysso wrote:

Burn wrote:
Frankly i'd like to see G1 Optimus come along and slap his name sakes because he never needed any damn power ups to take on Megatron.

Unless you count that natural power up that he carried around with him at all times call the Matrix of Leadership.

Well RID and Unicron Trilligy Primes all had the Matrix of Leadership with them too. Movie Prime even had it for all of 2 seconds before the Fallen ripped it out of his chest. But Still The Matrix is what brought Optimus back to life to I guess you could say he got a power up from it and Jetfire.