The Energon Pub

Marvel/USA/Hasbro version: Optimus Prime

Japanese version: Convoy

Both statements are 100% correct

Though most recently over in Japan, he is being called by his American name thanks to the baymovie.

*btw all my Cybertron Commanders are called Convoys because I havethe Japanese versions (with the exception of WFC Optimus)and the bayformers which I skipped altogether.

As for old 'screamer being a sleeper agent.......speculation unless we get the G1 animation story bible or ask Mr. Budiansky if he ever intended such.

fenrir72 wrote:As for old 'screamer being a sleeper agent.......speculation unless we get the G1 animation story bible or ask Mr. Budiansky if he ever intended such.

Well, the pre-production bible has no mention of it.

The lore exists! I love quoting comics, or in this case - annuals!

The fantastic text story "State Games" from the 86 UK annual names Starscream as "figurehead of the controlling dictators of Vos, who used their not inconsiderable fuel stocks to create and maintain vast armies". The story is set in pre-war Cybertron, listing Megatron as a citizen of Tarn, second-largest city behind Iacon, with Shockwave named as Tarn's "military ruler" with similar policies to Vos.

I wonder who else were "controlling dictators". The other seekers maybe?? So Star' was a leader going way back wheyun, and along with Shockers rebelled when this upstart Megatron came from being a gladiatorial athlete to suddenly commanding a full-on Decepticon army. Damned commoners, tchoh!

In the story, Vos try to start a war between Iacon and Tarn so that they destroy each other, ready for the Vos army to pick up the pieces and be the strongest state in all Cybertron. However, it back-fires and Tarn declares war on Vos instead. Sounds so... Starscream, doesn't it?!

The depth this text story adds to the whole TF cast is brilliant, I'd love to see this old storyline played with a bit more.

So that answers it eh? Starscream's just a bit miffed that this brutish Russell Crowe-type is suddenly the general, in some savage reversal. He's the leader?? It'd be like Carl Lewis suddenly bossing Obama around... but he'd have the support of the masses...

That's the UK story granted.......Furman(?). I'd like to read the original intent of the animation bible.

fenrir72 wrote:That's the UK story granted.......Furman(?). I'd like to read the original intent of the animation bible.

The text story was by a James Hill. Dunno who he is but it was a great story nonetheless.

Kurgen156 wrote:The lore exists! I love quoting comics, or in this case - annuals!

The fantastic text story "State Games" from the 86 UK annual names Starscream as "figurehead of the controlling dictators of Vos, who used their not inconsiderable fuel stocks to create and maintain vast armies". The story is set in pre-war Cybertron, listing Megatron as a citizen of Tarn, second-largest city behind Iacon, with Shockwave named as Tarn's "military ruler" with similar policies to Vos.

I wonder who else were "controlling dictators". The other seekers maybe?? So Star' was a leader going way back wheyun, and along with Shockers rebelled when this upstart Megatron came from being a gladiatorial athlete to suddenly commanding a full-on Decepticon army. Damned commoners, tchoh!

In the story, Vos try to start a war between Iacon and Tarn so that they destroy each other, ready for the Vos army to pick up the pieces and be the strongest state in all Cybertron. However, it back-fires and Tarn declares war on Vos instead. Sounds so... Starscream, doesn't it?!

The depth this text story adds to the whole TF cast is brilliant, I'd love to see this old storyline played with a bit more.

So that answers it eh? Starscream's just a bit miffed that this brutish Russell Crowe-type is suddenly the general, in some savage reversal. He's the leader?? It'd be like Carl Lewis suddenly bossing Obama around... but he'd have the support of the masses...

Not unheard of. Starscream was the leader of his own neutral army in WfC as well. Megatron attacked them for the Dark Energon deposits, and afterwords Starscream ended up allying himself with Megatron.

I always got the impression from War for Cybertron that Starscream (at least initially) was an autobot scientist... or at least the mobs you fought in that first Decepticon campaign level looked an awful lot like autobot npcs.

Honestly, I couldn't see Starscream as being a sleeper agent. As others have expressed he seems to be a conniving, power hungry fool. Of course, I have hard time imagining him as a scientist either, but I could accept that he was...

a.) was a mediocre scientist at best

and/or

b.) fundamentally changed by the war, and his hunger for power turned violently aggressive

Having started on the IDW omnibus volumes I'm interested to see how that interpretation of G1 material goes down, as I've only got some hazy recollections of the G1 cartoon, little knowledge of the older comics, and then WFC and the terribad Exodus novel.

fenrir72 wrote: I'd like to read the original intent of the animation bible.

http://transformers.winterchill.com/bib ... age36.html

TFBible wrote:NAME: STARSCREAM

FUNCTION: Aerospace Commander

TRANS-FORM: jet fighter (silver)

ABILITIES: Fastest flyer of squad...can reach Mach 2.8, altitude of 52 miles. Shoots cluster bombs and null-ray which disrupts flow of electricity.

PROFILE: Driven by envy...seeks to replace Megatron as leader. Ruthless, cold-blooded, cruel...considers himself most sophisticated and handsome. Believes Decepticons should rely more on guile and speed rather than brute force in action against Autobots. Excels at what he does, but tendency to overrate himself.

More info here
http://transformers.winterchill.com/bible/bible.html

Sweet Primus stovokor, you want to kill me or what! Info dump overload! Thanks!

fenrir72 wrote:Sweet Primus stovokor, you want to kill me or what! Info dump overload! Thanks!

Earily X-mas gift

Nope. he just wants to be the leader of the decepticons.

Not possible.Starscream would rather eat his own central prosessor before siding with the Autobots.

I doubt in G1 he is, but it'd be an interesting side story.

G1 ignores most, if not all, history of the cybertronians prior to the first scene in the first episode. If there is history explained, it varies greatly from telling to telling. As such, Starscream is never depicted even slightly scientific in the cartoon. It's only the most recent stuff that tries, and only WFC and the WWII crossover really capitalize on it.

He's never an Autobot. Pre-war, he was a power hungry but neutral scientist with his best friend Jetfire.

It's an interesting thought. I like the idea that he altered himself.
Anyway, Screamer's an incompetent backstabbing pile o' scrap. Maybe he's just mean because no one loves him.