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Having seen those episodes, I wonder, are the Cybertron Elite Guard from Animated a king-sized joke? Was this deliberate? I mean, there seems to be a lot wrong with them though they are portrayed as the greatest among the Transformers Animated characters. After all-

1. The Autobot 'repair bots' choose alternate modes that will blend in with the city, while the Elites choose loud, unsubtle altmodes that would shock the city. We can see that yellow compact (often getting wrecked), a yellow motorcycle (often with a rider)) and even the red-and-blue fire truck regularly, but we don't often see that HEMTT or monster truck in our city, do we?
2. Sentinel Prime seems to be higher in rank, but is an unworthy, um, jerk!
3. Jazz was easy to convince to bend the rules.
4. They usually need Ultra Magnus to bail them out each time.
5. Sentinel Prime thinks humans are dumb, and then came the Headmaster. Who did his bit.
6. Bulkhead's body lost nothing when taken over by the Headmaster, but Sentinel's body did lose something.
7. Sentinel can't drive straight.
8. Mission Accomplished. Elite Guard vs 'Repair bots'. Enough said.
9. Blurr is a member of the Elite Guard, as an intelligence officer. Yet he too was captured and enslaved by a human with an Allspark fragment in the right place.
10. After he was free and fought the Decepticons at the Space Bridge, he was among those (the only Autobot) who got transported by the Space Bridge, never heard from again, until, maybe, Season 3.
11. 'Longarm Prime' actually revealed his identity as a double agent. That other doublespy never did...well...almost.
12. The Elite Guard still don't know who 'Longarm Prime' really is.

Of course they were meant to be like that. They are main line character builders. Their down falls make the main cast look better then they really "are".

They also make the Deceptions look barbarically strong and ruthless.

Anymore brain busters?

This seems to be a throwback to G1, where the Decepticons were 'military hardware' (as against Autobot 'consumer goods') and supposed to be the only 'warriors' (while Autobots were only 'workers' and 'not programmed to fight'), but we've seen the G1 cartoons and know the truth. Maybe the same can be said of the Elite Guard here.

Arjun_M wrote:Having seen those episodes, I wonder, are the Cybertron Elite Guard from Animated a king-sized joke? Was this deliberate? I mean, there seems to be a lot wrong with them though they are portrayed as the greatest among the Transformers Animated characters. After all-

1. The Autobot 'repair bots' choose alternate modes that will blend in with the city, while the Elites choose loud, unsubtle altmodes that would shock the city. We can see that yellow compact (often getting wrecked), a yellow motorcycle (often with a rider)) and even the red-and-blue fire truck regularly, but we don't often see that HEMTT or monster truck in our city, do we?
2. Sentinel Prime seems to be higher in rank, but is an unworthy, um, jerk!
3. Jazz was easy to convince to bend the rules.
4. They usually need Ultra Magnus to bail them out each time.
5. Sentinel Prime thinks humans are dumb, and then came the Headmaster. Who did his bit.
6. Bulkhead's body lost nothing when taken over by the Headmaster, but Sentinel's body did lose something.
7. Sentinel can't drive straight.
8. Mission Accomplished. Elite Guard vs 'Repair bots'. Enough said.
9. Blurr is a member of the Elite Guard, as an intelligence officer. Yet he too was captured and enslaved by a human with an Allspark fragment in the right place.
10. After he was free and fought the Decepticons at the Space Bridge, he was among those (the only Autobot) who got transported by the Space Bridge, never heard from again, until, maybe, Season 3.
11. 'Longarm Prime' actually revealed his identity as a double agent. That other doublespy never did...well...almost.
12. The Elite Guard still don't know who 'Longarm Prime' really is.

Dude it's just a cartoon, chill.

Autobot420 wrote:Dude it's just a cartoon, chill.

I'm glad you pointed that out, I was getting worried he might have thought it was for reals.

I wonder...is this a running gag? Like Decepticons, by heritage, being superior fighters, yet bested (and at times looking silly) by Autobots, who happen to be mere consumer goods? Or Predaking, with 'no known weaknesses' having no victories on screen? Just thought...

Down_Shift wrote:

Autobot420 wrote:Dude it's just a cartoon, chill.

I'm glad you pointed that out, I was getting worried he might have thought it was for reals.

You mean it's not?!

Dead Metal wrote:

Down_Shift wrote:

Autobot420 wrote:Dude it's just a cartoon, chill.

I'm glad you pointed that out, I was getting worried he might have thought it was for reals.

You mean it's not?!

It's as real a Penthouse Forums letter or Kraft Cheddar Cheese slices.

Down_Shift wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Down_Shift wrote:
I'm glad you pointed that out, I was getting worried he might have thought it was for reals.

You mean it's not?!

It's as real a Penthouse Forums letter or Kraft Cheddar Cheese slices.

excuse me for shouting but, OH MY GOD TRANSFORMERS AREN'T REAL. THE WORLD IS GOING TO END IN A FIERY EXPLOSION OF DEATH! AHHHHHHHH! hahaha I have fun.

Arjun_M wrote:The Autobot 'repair bots' choose alternate modes that will blend in with the city, while the Elites choose loud, unsubtle altmodes that would shock the city. We can see that yellow compact (often getting wrecked), a yellow motorcycle (often with a rider)) and even the red-and-blue fire truck regularly, but we don't often see that HEMTT or monster truck in our city, do we?

To be fair, how offten do we ever see Bulkhead's alt mode when it's not actully him? Just in that first episode then we don't see and millitary vehicles anymore. Why does a repair bot transform into a millitary vehicle in the first place?

Bumblebee and Prowl took on the fourms of Police vehicles. Technically speaking Bumblebee was an every day car but he did happen to scan Captain Fanzone's car with the attachable siren that makes him a poicle vehicle.

Optimus is a fire truck.

And Ratchet is a ambulance.

All the vehicles scanned are typicle seach and rescue vehicles except for Bulkhead who has an alt mode useually scaned by the likes of Decepticon war machines. This is highly odd both as an alt mode in general and for his character sence he was the one Autobot who actully WANTED to be a repair bot.

Sentinel Prime seems to be higher in rank, but is an unworthy, um, jerk!

Higher than who? Optimus? No as stated in the series Prime is their rank not their name so Optimus and Sentinel are the same rank.

Jazz was easy to convince to bend the rules.

No no no, Jazz was easy to convince that some rules were jaked up. Like the one about staying clear of Organics. On any account Jazz is the one good Elite Guard Member we've seen on the show, you can insult the others all you want but Jazz is awsome!

They usually need Ultra Magnus to bail them out each time.

Ultra Magnus hasn't had to bail ANYONE out of ANYTHING EVER. He's only used his Thor like powers ONCE in the whole series and that was when he first appeared on Earth. The only other time he left the ship he nearly got the snot beat out of him by Starscream because he wasn't prepaired and actully thought there weren't any Decepticons untill Starscream showed up.

Sentinel Prime thinks humans are dumb, and then came the Headmaster. Who did his bit.

Sentinel Prime does not think "humans" are dumb, he thinks "organics" are slimy evil creatures who will burn him alive from the inside with their ozzy goo.

Bulkhead's body lost nothing when taken over by the Headmaster, but Sentinel's body did lose something.

You lost me, they both something, their heads.

Sentinel can't drive straight.

Hey you got one right.

Mission Accomplished. Elite Guard vs 'Repair bots'. Enough said.

No... no it wasn't. That was just kinda random considering most of your complants are from that episode anyway it's more like too much said. You really didn't need to list this at all.

Blurr is a member of the Elite Guard, as an intelligence officer. Yet he too was captured and enslaved by a human with an Allspark fragment in the right place.

I have no idea what you mean by "in the right place" the fragment was in a remote controll and could be used on any Cybertronian it was pointed at.

After he was free and fought the Decepticons at the Space Bridge, he was among those (the only Autobot) who got transported by the Space Bridge, never heard from again, until, maybe, Season 3.

He was not the only Autobot, you forgot about Omega Supreme who was not a member of the EG.

'Longarm Prime' actually revealed his identity as a double agent. That other doublespy never did...well...almost.

There was no other doublespy. You're talking about Wasp, he wasn't a spy he was fraimed by Shockwave/Longarm.

Why is Longarm listed as an Elite Guard member anyway? I guess he is technically but he is a Decepticon spy first and an EG second.

The Elite Guard still don't know who 'Longarm Prime' really is.

Well that's not really true. He did show himself to Bumblebee and I highly doubt the Autobots aren't going to call Cybertron and tell them who Longarm really is.

At any rate, no one likes the EG but if you're going to trash them you need to pay better attention to what's going on, you missed ALOT of details of what was happening.

Saber Prime wrote:To be fair, how offten do we ever see Bulkhead's alt mode when it's not actully him? Just in that first episode then we don't see and millitary vehicles anymore. Why does a repair bot transform into a millitary vehicle in the first place?

Bumblebee and Prowl took on the fourms of Police vehicles. Technically speaking Bumblebee was an every day car but he did happen to scan Captain Fanzone's car with the attachable siren that makes him a poicle vehicle.

Optimus is a fire truck.

And Ratchet is a ambulance.

All the vehicles scanned are typicle seach and rescue vehicles except for Bulkhead who has an alt mode useually scaned by the likes of Decepticon war machines. This is highly odd both as an alt mode in general and for his character sence he was the one Autobot who actully WANTED to be a repair bot.

Bulkhead is an exception, unless he's one of those paramilitary or police SWAT vans, so we can ignore that one, as well as Jazz getting a normal sports car altmode. In comparison, it's hard not to notice a HEMTT in a city.

Saber Prime wrote:Higher than who? Optimus? No as stated in the series Prime is their rank not their name so Optimus and Sentinel are the same rank.

They may be of the same rank, but then, this is the Elite Guard, perceived to be the highest ranking Autobots.

Saber Prime wrote:No no no, Jazz was easy to convince that some rules were jaked up. Like the one about staying clear of Organics. On any account Jazz is the one good Elite Guard Member we've seen on the show, you can insult the others all you want but Jazz is awsome!

Jazz is one of my favourites too, a little hard to slag off.

Saber Prime wrote:Ultra Magnus hasn't had to bail ANYONE out of ANYTHING EVER. He's only used his Thor like powers ONCE in the whole series and that was when he first appeared on Earth. The only other time he left the ship he nearly got the snot beat out of him by Starscream because he wasn't prepaired and actully thought there weren't any Decepticons untill Starscream showed up.

First he had to lower his hammer to push back the Dinobots who tried to attack Sentinel Prime. Then, as the drones at the Sumdac Systems factory were running riot, he ran over a few just as they were about to attack them.

Saber Prime wrote:Sentinel Prime does not think "humans" are dumb, he thinks "organics" are slimy evil creatures who will burn him alive from the inside with their ozzy goo.

Maybe Sentinel Prime just doesn't like organics (humans included), but then he also made some insulting comments on stage before a human audience in Return of the Headmaster.

Saber Prime wrote:You lost me, they both something, their heads.

And Sentinel Prime, his arm, though that was in battle.

Saber Prime wrote:No... no it wasn't. That was just kinda random considering most of your complants are from that episode anyway it's more like too much said. You really didn't need to list this at all.

That's the one episode where the Elite Guard doesn't show up well at all. It's listed on the TF Wiki, with all those instances mentioned.

Saber Prime wrote:I have no idea what you mean by "in the right place" the fragment was in a remote controll and could be used on any Cybertronian it was pointed at.

It ended up in the remote control of Master Disaster, who used him merrily to fix those races.

Saber Prime wrote:He was not the only Autobot, you forgot about Omega Supreme who was not a member of the EG.

Omega Supreme is a tough one to talk about, especially when he was merely a ship in the first season, and was revived a lot later in the second, and was the last to be transported by the Space Bridge, as it became unstable.

'Longarm Prime' actually revealed his identity as a double agent. That other doublespy never did...well...almost.

There was no other doublespy. You're talking about Wasp, he wasn't a spy he was fraimed by Shockwave/Longarm.[/quote]Not Wasp, but the other doublespy in any Transformers universe- Punch/Counterpunch. Of course, there was that one episode where Galvatron found out- but it was too late.

Saber Prime wrote:Why is Longarm listed as an Elite Guard member anyway? I guess he is technically but he is a Decepticon spy first and an EG second.

Doubtful again, especially when this show is still active.

Saber Prime wrote:Well that's not really true. He did show himself to Bumblebee and I highly doubt the Autobots aren't going to call Cybertron and tell them who Longarm really is.

This was again taken from the TF Wiki, which says that only the Autobots on Earth know who 'Longarm Prime' really is, but the Elites don't. Besides, knowing how seriously the Elite Guard take the 'repair bots', as could be seen in the first three Season 2 episodes (and even the beginning of the series itself), they will need a lot of convincing.

Saber Prime wrote:At any rate, no one likes the EG but if you're going to trash them you need to pay better attention to what's going on, you missed ALOT of details of what was happening.

I don't know the fandom opinion about the Elite Guard as a whole (except that nearly everyone thinks Sentinel Prime is a jerk), but I just wonder, if they're deliberately shown to be a lot weaker, as a running gag. It's not the only one that may exist- Ramjet rams his nosecone into a lot of things and only ends up getting damaged, while Predaking, with 'no known weaknesses' can't defeat anybody, even a team of Blurr, Wheelie and a human (although they had help). Besides, I like the look of these bots, especially in toy form, especially Ultra Magnus and Jazz. I just thought I'd ask about any running gag here.

Arjun_M wrote:They may be of the same rank, but then, this is the Elite Guard, perceived to be the highest ranking Autobots.

Not high ranking except for Ultra Magnus who out ranks everyone. The Elite Guard are just Cybertron's primary defence force. Like a millitary group as shown in the episode Boot Camp. I think it's really odd to show the Autobots as a millitary group though sence they're allways just trust into war situations not actully equiped for it.

First he had to lower his hammer to push back the Dinobots who tried to attack Sentinel Prime. Then, as the drones at the Sumdac Systems factory were running riot, he ran over a few just as they were about to attack them.

This is still a far FAR cry from "He ALLWAYS has to bail everyone out of situations." That's all he ever did was thoughs 2 things you just listed.

Not Wasp, but the other doublespy in any Transformers universe- Punch/Counterpunch. Of course, there was that one episode where Galvatron found out- but it was too late.

That statement makes no sence. The other double spy in any Transformers universe sounds like there's only been 2 double spys in exsistance and one has just appeared in every universe till now.

Should be "other double spys" not "THE OTHER double spy" The other depending on how it's used originally made me think Wasp because everyone thought he was going to be the spy before the episode aired and he was accused of being the spy. Then you say THE OTHER double spy in any TF universe and it sounds like all the double spys who ever exsisted before Longarm/Shockwave are the same character.

Actully I can only think of 2 maybe 4 Double Spys.

G1 Punch/Counterpunch

Beast Machines Nobal/Savage allthough I don't know if he can really be considered a spy, more like a scitso.

Armada Sideways allthough he was a tripple sence he was spying on both teams for Unicron.

Armada Scavenger who originally appeared as a Decepticon and DID in fact revieal himself as an Autobot later in the series.

And depending of weather or not you consider him a seperate chatacter or not Cybertron Sideways

I'm sure there's others I've either forgotten about or don't know about.

Saber Prime wrote:Why is Longarm listed as an Elite Guard member anyway? I guess he is technically but he is a Decepticon spy first and an EG second.

Doubtful again, especially when this show is still active.[/quote]

How is that doubtful? It's allready been reviealed, it's a known fact. It's not like we're still waiting for them to show us who the spy is, we know it's Longarm/Shockwave.

This was again taken from the TF Wiki, which says that only the Autobots on Earth know who 'Longarm Prime' really is, but the Elites don't. Besides, knowing how seriously the Elite Guard take the 'repair bots', as could be seen in the first three Season 2 episodes (and even the beginning of the series itself), they will need a lot of convincing.

Don't belive everything you read on Wiki. The site is edited by fans so they could put anything they want up there doesn't mean it's true.

The Elites on camera don't know about Shockwave but off camera why would the Autobots on Earth keep that to themselfs? It doesn't make any sence. That bit's just speculation no matter which side you belive but we'll find out the truth in season 3 about it.

You seem to be forgetting Ultra Magnus seemed to be a bit more reasonable about beliveing them before the Elite Guard left Earth and after they saved his butt from Starscream.

Ultra Magnus is still a stuck up jerk but he seems a little more reasonable than Sentinal Prime anyway. Sentinal is just holding a grudge agenst Optimus so he'll never be reasonable. That at least gives Magnus some hope that he'll change before the series is over.

Besides how the hell should they have toled the Elite Guard that Longarm is in fact a spy? I mean they were in the middel of a freaking life or death fight, they didn't have the time to tell em jet, just wait till S3.

Dead Metal wrote:Besides how the hell should they have toled the Elite Guard that Longarm is in fact a spy? I mean they were in the middel of a freaking life or death fight, they didn't have the time to tell em jet, just wait till S3.

How the hell did you get that out of anything I said? Where did I ever sugest they called the EG DURRING the battle?

I said "AFTER"

Saber Prime wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Besides how the hell should they have toled the Elite Guard that Longarm is in fact a spy? I mean they were in the middel of a freaking life or death fight, they didn't have the time to tell em jet, just wait till S3.

How the hell did you get that out of anything I said? Where did I ever sugest they called the EG DURRING the battle?

I said "AFTER"

That wasn't directed at you, I didn't even read your comment.
I just posted that cos I just remembered in what kind of situation they were in, there was no way they could have done anything of that sort during the episode. It's only logical that they'd call them AFTER the battle.

Dead Metal wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Besides how the hell should they have toled the Elite Guard that Longarm is in fact a spy? I mean they were in the middel of a freaking life or death fight, they didn't have the time to tell em jet, just wait till S3.

How the hell did you get that out of anything I said? Where did I ever sugest they called the EG DURRING the battle?

I said "AFTER"

That wasn't directed at you, I didn't even read your comment.
I just posted that cos I just remembered in what kind of situation they were in, there was no way they could have done anything of that sort during the episode. It's only logical that they'd call them AFTER the battle.

Well I'm the only one who even mentioned they could of called the EG after the battle amd told them about Shockwave. No one sugested a call durring the battle. The OP seems to think either the Earth Autobots kept that info to themselfs or they try to tell the EG and no one belives them.

The second might be true but cosidering how they were right about everything else they told the EG I don't know why they'd continue not to belive them.

The thing is they haven't called them yet.
The show ended after the spacebridge was destroyed, cutting off Issac's special talk. But it's only logical that they will tell them.

I can see Bumblebee and Optimus trying to convince Sentinel Prime that Longarm is a traitor but he's not going to believe them without proof and refuses to take the matter to Ultra Magnus. Or something along those lines.

Knowing that Shockwave is a spy but not being able to do anything about it because they don't have any proof.

Ultra Magnus also, got put down hard by Starscream. So much so that Optimus had to tell the others to watch over their wounded and down for the count EG commander.