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by **Auto Bot** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:00 pm

Do ice form under ocean bottom?

by **Sonray** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:23 pm

Auto Bot wrote:Do ice form under ocean bottom?

No.

by **Fred2012** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:00 am

Justicity wrote:
Sonray wrote:
Justicity wrote:
Sonray wrote:
Justicity wrote:But to be honest, that is G1 logic, so if movie logic is damned, what the hell kind of curse can you put on G1 logic?

In a less silly response, in G1 all the mechanics were sealed away in the blocky designs we all know & love. However, the movie designs are giant messes of wire & metal, bits poking out everywhere. They aren't going to survive underwater as well as the G1 characters...

Now that right there is flawed logic. For starters they are ALIENS, and have ALIEN technology. Its common sense to assume that they are made out of materials far beyond ANYTHING the human race has ever invented or even dreamed of creating, so being able to survive down there wouldnt be too much of a stretch.

Good point, though I don't see how that means my logic is flawed. (Sorry, I'm a big fan of my logic & I debate with friends & collogues everyday, so an attack on my logic is an attack on me. Sorry, that's just how I receive these comments.)

In response, isn't most Earth tech reverse engineered from Megatron, who is one of said Aliens, so therefore if they COULD survive water, surely wouldn't all of Earth's mechanics be waterproof & rust free?

Not necesarrily (sp?) It was reverse egineered based on what we (face it we are primitive humans in comparison to the TFs) could understand. If we fully understood all the technology within megs, then wed be able to make our own autobots and new life.

The way i see it, the amount of technology and knowledge they took from megatron would consist of about 1% of entire understanding of his kind and his technology.

Sorry if i offended you btw, i know how you feel though. I like a good debate and i consider my logic to be the best in the world so its good to meet someone with similar attitudes. Its a shame because around here you cant have an intelligent debate without it turning into a pathetic troll riddled flame war. Please be the exception to that rule wouldya?

Of course ^^ I love a good, controlled, debate.

Anyway, As you suggested, it is very likely, almost positive, Sector 7 only ascertained a limited amount of information regarding NBE1, however, if there was a "metal" in his being that could resist water then it is VERY likely that the humans, in their everlasting quest for knowledge, would break that "metal" down to it's most basic components & try to recreate that "metal" & it's property's.

Add to that the probability that the exoshell was the FIRST thing they looked at & you've got the basic premise for my argument.

S7 gets NBE1 -> NBE1 has outer shell -> NBE1 used for reverse engineering -> No current Water resistant mechanics other than waterproof seals (well, nothing good enough to waterproof an entire huge machine) -> THEREFORE it can be assumed that -> Exoshell (& other components) provided no information about water proof property's -> NBE1/Megatron is not water proof -> Transformers thrown into water = Kablooom!

Also we seem to be missing the idea that the pressure from the water around the DEEPEST POINT ON EARTH would crush the Transformers. Sector7 must have tested this before disposing of the "bodies". So there's very little chance Meg's will survive. However Sonray, if you have a response to my argument (minus this last paragraph) I am not willing to consider this argument won yet ^^

sorry i just wanted to continue the quote thread!

by **Sonray** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:54 pm

heh, bump-age for the win!

But anyway, i personally think an advanced race like the transformers would be able to survive in such pressures especially since human technology can already reach such depths as far as i know, and the abyss in which they dumped their bodies isnt even the deepest point on the planet. That is actually a mistake. The deepest point on earth is the mariana trench.

by **Grendel** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:34 pm

alien robots made with alien metals, and the secretary of defense is so sure they'll be crushed in the atlantic.
I wonder how the hel he became such an expert

by **lilcarus** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:15 pm

Grendel wrote:alien robots made with alien metals, and the secretary of defense is so sure they'll be crushed in the atlantic.
I wonder how the hell he became such an expert

just chalk it up with another ball dropped by Orci and friends...it would have made more since to just have prime and them tell the army where they thought the safest place on earth for the fuxxed up bots to be stored was....instead they went off and gave an insulting explanation that makes no sense at all given that facts we alrady know about the bots.

by **Sonray** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:34 pm

lilcarus wrote:
Grendel wrote:alien robots made with alien metals, and the secretary of defense is so sure they'll be crushed in the atlantic.
I wonder how the hell he became such an expert

just chalk it up with another ball dropped by Orci and friends...it would have made more since to just have prime and them tell the army where they thought the safest place on earth for the fuxxed up bots to be stored was....instead they went off and gave an insulting explanation that makes no sense at all given that facts we alrady know about the bots.

Who is to say that the autobots didnt tell them to drop em in the ocean? Theres not really many other places to dump em on this planet is there.

Besides, since when has a government been CORRECT about anything?

Arrogance and ego are what run governments, and thats also what destroys them.

Anyway the autobots have to stay hidden from the government as well, so they couldnt have asked them where the best place is to dump their bodies since they have no way of contacting the autobots or finding them for that matter.

Note at the end of the movie Prime says they remain on earth hiding amongst its people, not working with the government in some new anti-decepticon agency.

People act like this is the first movie with a few plot holes here and there, ffs get over it.

by **lilcarus** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:05 pm

Sonray wrote:
lilcarus wrote:
Grendel wrote:alien robots made with alien metals, and the secretary of defense is so sure they'll be crushed in the atlantic.
I wonder how the hell he became such an expert

just chalk it up with another ball dropped by Orci and friends...it would have made more since to just have prime and them tell the army where they thought the safest place on earth for the fuxxed up bots to be stored was....instead they went off and gave an insulting explanation that makes no sense at all given that facts we alrady know about the bots.

Who is to say that the autobots didnt tell them to drop em in the ocean? Theres not really many other places to dump em on this planet is there.

Besides, since when has a government been CORRECT about anything?

Arrogance and ego are what run governments, and thats also what destroys them.

Anyway the autobots have to stay hidden from the government as well, so they couldnt have asked them where the best place is to dump their bodies since they have no way of contacting the autobots or finding them for that matter.

Note at the end of the movie Prime says they remain on earth hiding amongst its people, not working with the government in some new anti-decepticon agency.

People act like this is the first movie with a few plot holes here and there, ffs get over it.

why would you think the autobots are hiding from the government that was never mentioned, prime just said they were hiding on earth as in to keep the general public safe....if you were looking for them its a safe bet that you would be able to find bb as he is always attached to sam....then u got s7 being broken up because its not needed now that you would have direct contact with prime and what not....to think of anything else would be absurd.

by **Sonray** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:48 pm

It was never mentioned that they WERE in contact with the government either.

It would make more sense if they just tried to hide from any sort of government, because if the humans found out of a new alien life form living on earth people would go crazy, and other governments would go to war over them as they would think they are a threat to their society, you know how these wacko enemy governments are like.

The incident in LA is easily covered up but having autobots all over the tv and on the internet would pose a big problem. Like i said there would be pandemonium.

To think that the autobots arent hiding in order to keep earth and its people SAFE like Prime stated is infact what is absurd here, and to remind you: This isnt the G1 cartoon where autobots and humans worked together.

by **Auto Bot** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:04 am

Throwing them into the ocean is just a flimsy way of saying these Decepticons will be back soon.

by **Sonray** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:54 am

Auto Bot wrote:Throwing them into the ocean is just a flimsy way of saying these Decepticons will be back soon.

Again, where else are they supposed to dump the bodies where no human being can easily access?

by **Auto Bot** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:00 am

Sonray wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:Throwing them into the ocean is just a flimsy way of saying these Decepticons will be back soon.

Again, where else are they supposed to dump the bodies where no human being can easily access?

Hmmm... to be safe....
Pack them up into a rocket, and send them into the sun!

Or find a way to grind them down into small pieces.

Just don't freaking leave them somewhere far as is.

by **Sonray** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:07 am

Auto Bot wrote:
Sonray wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:Throwing them into the ocean is just a flimsy way of saying these Decepticons will be back soon.

Again, where else are they supposed to dump the bodies where no human being can easily access?

Hmmm... to be safe....
Pack them up into a rocket, and send them into the sun!

Or find a way to grind them down into small pieces.

Just don't freaking leave them somewhere far as is.

Well if they did all that we wouldnt have much of a sequel.

by **Southern Slimmy** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:13 am

There are so many ways it could go. There are ways to bring the Decepticons back. I mean heck, How many Decepticons haven't showed up yet? & Blaster is one of em! & We all Know, That Blaster was stuck up Megatron's rear end. He could have some way to bring back all of the Decepticons & Jazz too. (They never did say how they "disposed" of Jazz's body) So I'm going to Assume they put him in the Atlantic too. Could Bring em all back & then Jazz be mad at the autobots for not saving him or something like that. Who knows, but really could go so many different ways. After all, they are "robots" & they technically don't "die"

by **Auto Bot** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:44 am

Sonray wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:
Sonray wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:Throwing them into the ocean is just a flimsy way of saying these Decepticons will be back soon.

Again, where else are they supposed to dump the bodies where no human being can easily access?

Hmmm... to be safe....
Pack them up into a rocket, and send them into the sun!

Or find a way to grind them down into small pieces.

Just don't freaking leave them somewhere far as is.

Well if they did all that we wouldnt have much of a sequel.

Oh, yeah. Good thing the military guys have low IQ. Let the sequel begin!

by **Sonray** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:17 pm

Auto Bot wrote:
Sonray wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:
Sonray wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:Throwing them into the ocean is just a flimsy way of saying these Decepticons will be back soon.

Again, where else are they supposed to dump the bodies where no human being can easily access?

Hmmm... to be safe....
Pack them up into a rocket, and send them into the sun!

Or find a way to grind them down into small pieces.

Just don't freaking leave them somewhere far as is.

Well if they did all that we wouldnt have much of a sequel.

Oh, yeah. Good thing the military guys have low IQ. Let the sequel begin!

You see, now that aspect of the story is at least 100% realistic.

by **Sonray** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:18 pm

Southern Slimmy wrote:There are so many ways it could go. There are ways to bring the Decepticons back. I mean heck, How many Decepticons haven't showed up yet? & Blaster is one of em! & We all Know, That Blaster was stuck up Megatron's rear end. He could have some way to bring back all of the Decepticons & Jazz too. (They never did say how they "disposed" of Jazz's body) So I'm going to Assume they put him in the Atlantic too. Could Bring em all back & then Jazz be mad at the autobots for not saving him or something like that. Who knows, but really could go so many different ways. After all, they are "robots" & they technically don't "die"

Blaster? He wasnt in the movie...you mean Frenzy?

by **Southern Slimmy** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:23 pm

nope, I was sayin Blaster is one of the decepticons who didn't make an appearance in the movie! & he could show up. I know the difference between Frenzy & Blaster hehehe

by **Sonray** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:40 pm

Southern Slimmy wrote:nope, I was sayin Blaster is one of the decepticons who didn't make an appearance in the movie! & he could show up. I know the difference between Frenzy & Blaster hehehe

Blaster was an autobot in G1. He was basically the same as Soundwave 'cept a good guy.

by **Southern Slimmy** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:50 pm

hmph, I was young got my bots mixed up :lol:

many years ago & 3 kids later, I've forgotten a lot :lol:

thank you fer clarifying that

I do know there are a lot of decepticons & autobots that didn't make it in the movie & well, it'll be interesting next time around

by **Sonray** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:41 pm

Southern Slimmy wrote:hmph, I was young got my bots mixed up many years ago & 3 kids later, I've forgotten a lot thank you fer clarifying that I do know there are a lot of decepticons & autobots that didn't make it in the movie & well, it'll be interesting next time around

Oh hell yeah. We only saw a tiny fraction of how many bots the tf universe has.

Personally i wanna see Hotrod in the next movie, as well as Ultra Magnus, Soundwave, some more seekers like skywarp and thundercracker and id love to see sideswipe and sunstreaker turn up as well.

by **Auto Bot** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:31 am

Sonray wrote:
Southern Slimmy wrote:nope, I was sayin Blaster is one of the decepticons who didn't make an appearance in the movie! & he could show up. I know the difference between Frenzy & Blaster hehehe

Blaster was an autobot in G1. He was basically the same as Soundwave 'cept a good guy.

Maybe the reference is to the weapon.

by **Sigma Vortex** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:34 pm

The movie got the info wrong. The Laurentian Abyss is not the deepest point on the planet. That honor goes to a trench all the way in the Pacific Ocean called the Mariana Trench, which is a whopping 10,911 Meters (35,797.24 feet) below sea level.

The Laurentian Abyss is just the drop off from the North American continental shelf to the bottom of the Atlantic which is only 4,665 Meters (15,305.11 feet)deep.

by **Auto Bot** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:15 am

Sigma Vortex wrote:The movie got the info wrong. The Laurentian Abyss is not the deepest point on the planet. That honor goes to a trench all the way in the Pacific Ocean called the Mariana Trench, which is a whopping 10,911 Meters (35,797.24 feet) below sea level.

The Laurentian Abyss is just the drop off from the North American continental shelf to the bottom of the Atlantic which is only 4,665 Meters (15,305.11 feet)deep.

But that would cost some $100,000 more in fuel price to bring the fallen Transformers that far.

This can cause a chain reaction to the skyrocketing crude oil price!

by **Night Raid** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:41 pm

Auto Bot wrote:
Sigma Vortex wrote:The movie got the info wrong. The Laurentian Abyss is not the deepest point on the planet. That honor goes to a trench all the way in the Pacific Ocean called the Mariana Trench, which is a whopping 10,911 Meters (35,797.24 feet) below sea level.

The Laurentian Abyss is just the drop off from the North American continental shelf to the bottom of the Atlantic which is only 4,665 Meters (15,305.11 feet)deep.

But that would cost some $100,000 more in fuel price to bring the fallen Transformers that far.

This can cause a chain reaction to the skyrocketing crude oil price!

Why do I get the feeling that this oversight just might play a part in the sequel?