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News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:07 am

Just wondering. I just watched "The Return of Optimus Prime" and I noticed he was part of the intro. He's also famous for being the only one not creamed during Prime's charge in TF:TM 86. But after Kup yanks his turret and the Insecticon crashes into him, I don't remember him anymore. Is he featured in season 3 at all? He's my favorite 3changer.

by **ultramagnus2** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:27 am

there are so amny transformers in season 3 its impossible to tell. just have to study the dvd. i havrent heard otherwise so i assume he does but im not totally sure. just study the dvd of season 3 and 4 but its hard to tell. i had his toy as akid

by **Wingz** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:54 am

Blitzwing was in the five episode introduction to season 3, "Five Faces of Darkness". I won't give anything away as to why, but he supposedly isn't to be seen again after "Five Faces of Darkness part 5". However, he ends up being used in random fights far after he's supposedly "gone", like Reflector was, however he was merely used in two episodes later in season three as a nameless, background foot soldier.

I liked Blitzwing, too, but on the bright side, he plays a pretty nice role in the "Five Faces of Darkness" intro.

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:54 am

I see. Thank you. I never cared for season 3 much, I did like FFoD. I wish they would release those 5 eps on DVD.

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:45 pm

It will hopefully be released in the Shout version. And yes Blitzwing officially stops showing up in the 5th episode of Five Faces of Darkness............because he became a good 'bot.

by **Wingz** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:56 pm

fenrir72 wrote:It will hopefully be released in the Shout version.

They were already released in the Rhino version. I don't think they'll ever release -just- those five episodes though, sadly. :-(

I wasn't a huge fan of season 3, but I did like the Five Faces of Darkness introduction episodes.

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:58 pm

So if Shout pushes through, then we should expect Season #2 ,#3 and #4 to be released(not like the now defunct SONY version which was stillborn from the ofset). Five Faces of Darkness was the first disc in Season #3 in Rhino (which I also own).

by **SentinelA** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:31 pm

Wingz wrote:Blitzwing was in the five episode introduction to season 3, "Five Faces of Darkness". I won't give anything away as to why, but he supposedly isn't to be seen again after "Five Faces of Darkness part 5". However, he ends up being used in random fights far after he's supposedly "gone", like Reflector was, however he was merely used in two episodes later in season three as a nameless, background foot soldier.

I liked Blitzwing, too, but on the bright side, he plays a pretty nice role in the "Five Faces of Darkness" intro.

Actually Blitzwing played an important role in that episode. He was the only Decepticon that stood in opposition of teaming up with the Quintisons and I think he was pretty much exiled for that.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:43 am

fenrir72 wrote:And yes Blitzwing officially stops showing up in the 5th episode of Five Faces of Darkness............because he became a good 'bot.

What do you mean by "officially stops showing up"???

Blitswing can be seen in "Thief in the night" and if I'm right in 2 other episodes.

And no, he did not become a "good bot"

by **Straken** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:03 am

Wheren't some of Octane's episodes written for Blitzwing,but Hasbro wanted Octane to have more screen time,or something like that....

by **Wingz** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:06 pm

SentinelA wrote:
Wingz wrote:Blitzwing was in the five episode introduction to season 3, "Five Faces of Darkness". I won't give anything away as to why, but he supposedly isn't to be seen again after "Five Faces of Darkness part 5". However, he ends up being used in random fights far after he's supposedly "gone", like Reflector was, however he was merely used in two episodes later in season three as a nameless, background foot soldier.

I liked Blitzwing, too, but on the bright side, he plays a pretty nice role in the "Five Faces of Darkness" intro.

Actually Blitzwing played an important role in that episode. He was the only Decepticon that stood in opposition of teaming up with the Quintisons and I think he was pretty much exiled for that.

Isn't that what I said? :BOOM:

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:50 pm

Straken wrote:Wheren't some of Octane's episodes written for Blitzwing,but Hasbro wanted Octane to have more screen time,or something like that....

So its been said.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:51 pm

He would also appear in The Headmasters working more as a team with Astrotrain and Octane, and the three "Tripletrons" would occasionally fight against Springer, Sandstorm, and Broadside (the "Triplebots").

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:08 am

@sto vo kor, if helpng the autobots does not turn you a goodbot then I don't know what you call that. And, the animation for Season 3 is so full of space fillers/errors that I can't tell if the Blitzwing you mentioned is Blitzwing. Galvatron virtually exiled him at the end of the Five faces of Darkness saga.

On a side note, you can't use Headmasters as a point of reference because that one is like a separate continuity.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 9:27 am

fenrir72 wrote:On a side note, you can't use Headmasters as a point of reference because that one is like a separate continuity.

Well, that really all depends on personal preference. If one were to go from season 3 to The Rebirth, then, yes, The Headmasters would be ignored. But, one could also ignore The Rebirth and go from season 3 to The Headmasters. Personally, I prefer the latter.

IHMO, The Headmasters > The Rebrith.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 4:08 pm

fenrir72 wrote:@sto vo kor, if helpng the autobots does not turn you a goodbot then I don't know what you call that.

If he helped for the Autobots because it was "The Right Thing To Do" then maybe he was a good bot.

If he helped the Autobots to "save his own ass" then whats good about him.

And thats what Blitswing was doing, he helped the Autobots to stop the Quints from destroying them all.

Maybe Blitwing had a sence of honor but that doesnt make him a good guy.

Megatron helped the Autobots 3 times himself in the cartoon but I'm sure you wouldnt call him a "good bot" now would you?????

And, the animation for Season 3 is so full of space fillers/errors that I can't tell if the Blitzwing you mentioned is Blitzwing.

What????

"You can't tell if the Blitzwing I mentioned is Blitzwing"????

That makes no sence.

It looked like Blitwing, he was with the Decepticons, Its Blitwing.

Galvatron virtually exiled him at the end of the Five faces of Darkness saga. .

And???

Megatron did as much and threatened to destroy many different Decepticons for betraying him in the past, Blitwing included, and yet they were all see fighting with Megatron in later stories.

On a side note, you can't use Headmasters as a point of reference because that one is like a separate continuity.

Now you want to argue continuity????

Headmasters is a different continuity for the English speaking markets.

But in Japan it was a direct follow up to G1's continuity.

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:40 pm

@ sto vo whatever............Okay alright, you are the undisputed master of G1 lore...........NOT!

We are talking about 5 Faces of Darkenss and the Season 3 coninuity which is linked directly to Season 4 Rebirth (Headmasters) American continuity which is different from Headmasters Japanese universe (which had the Headmasters as a variant cybertron organism and not Nebulan organics).Make up your mind, which continuity are you following anyway? Argue all you want, you can't apply the Tripletrons actions to the American coninuity.

And whether you want to admit it or not, Season 3 had so many animation errors that you see a now deactivated bot from the Movie up and running. They may look like (for example Ironhide, Brawn and Huffer or Windcharge [they all made space filler appearances in Season 3]) but that ain't Ironhide 'cause he was already interned in the Autobot Crypt of Heroes. Same with Shockwave, he appeared in Five Faces of Darkness when he was deactivated by Unicron during the final attack on Cybertron (at least that's how behind the scenes scripts indicate), how then does your argument stand that "Oh, there's that bot who looks a lot like Blitzwing in episode#?, then that must be Blitzwing (post Five Face of Darkness d'uh). But he was exiled from the 'con military, if you want to argue he was welcomed back, then that inference is open to your speculation.

You want to keep Blitzwing a bad bot? Then fine be a bad bot, that's your opinion, who said your opinion must be followed by others? My opinion is that he changed his mind right in between episode 5, he made a choice no matter the cost in siding with the Autobots for the greater good.............this is waaaaaay bigger than their age old petty idealogies.Then he became a good guy.

And no huffing or puffing of yours will bring my house down.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:10 pm

fenrir72 wrote:@ sto vo whatever............Okay alright, you are the undisputed master of G1 lore...........NOT!.

I obviously know it better then you do because your original statement that I replied to was erroneous no matter what way you look at it.

We are talking about 5 Faces of Darkenss and the Season 3 coninuity which is linked directly to Season 4 Rebirth (Headmasters) American continuity which is different from Headmasters Japanese universe (which had the Headmasters as a variant cybertron organism and not Nebulan organics).Make up your mind, which continuity are you following anyway?.

Nice attempt to deflect the issue but no cigar.

The japanese Headmasters branch off at "The return of Optimus Prime", so the universe are the same up till that point.

And Blitwing did return before branch off happened.

Argue all you want, you can't apply the Tripletrons actions to the American coninuity..

I never even tried.

Maybe you need to follow my post more closly.

And whether you want to admit it or not, Season 3 had so many animation errors.

Which is irrelevant to the debate.

Because theres no way you can prove that Blitwing return was an error.

Same with Shockwave, he appeared in Five Faces of Darkness when he was deactivated by Unicron during the final attack on Cybertron (at least that's how behind the scenes scripts indicate),.

Double failure.

A] It was never said or seen that Shockwave died in the series.So the behind the scenes info is not canon nor relevent.

B] There were a number of mis-colored Shockwaves, non of which was the real shockwave.They were no different then the generic seekers from season 1 or the members of Cyclonus's armada.

how then does your argument stand that.

See above because your reply fell short of logic.

"Oh, there's that bot who looks a lot like Blitzwing in episode#?, then that must be Blitzwing (post Five Face of Darkness d'uh). But he was exiled from the 'con military, if you want to argue he was welcomed back, then that inference is open to your speculation..

Not "looks a lot like Blitwing" its "LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE BLITWING".

Unlike your "Shockwave" example which were all mis-colered and there were more then 1 of him.

There was 1 character that looked exactly like Blitwing.

And as I said, Blitwing and other Decepticons had been punished,banished treatend with destruction , al for betraying there leader in the past.

All were welcomed back eventually.

How does your argument hold up to that????

You want to keep Blitzwing a bad bot?.

Its not what I want, theres no indication he became a good guy.

Then fine be a bad bot, that's your opinion, who said your opinion must be followed by others?.

Dont try to twist this.You were the one that first stated your opinion as fact

by **ScorpoMax** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:54 pm

I've got a theory for ya'. What if somewhere in between episodes, Galvatron captured Blitzwing and had him reprogrammed back to his evil ways? It's true that Galvatron exiled him, but maybe he thought better of it eventually. After all, Blitzwing's exile might make him decide that he has nowhere to go but the Autobots (and then suppose he starts giving away all the Decepticons' secrets to them). I've always wondered if something similar happened to Octane after "Starscream's Ghost".

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:13 pm

ScorpoMax wrote:I've got a theory for ya'. What if somewhere in between episodes, Galvatron captured Blitzwing and had him reprogrammed back to his evil ways? It's true that Galvatron exiled him, but maybe he thought better of it eventually. After all, Blitzwing's exile might make him decide that he has nowhere to go but the Autobots (and then suppose he starts giving away all the Decepticons' secrets to them). I've always wondered if something similar happened to Octane after "Starscream's Ghost".

Blitzwing was still evil, he just helped the Autobots to save himself fro mthe Quints. Megs helped the Autobots back in season 2, but he was still evil.

Besides, why go to all the trouble of reprogramming when he could just force him back into his team by threatening him?

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:20 pm

Sabrblade wrote:Blitzwing was still evil, he just helped the Autobots to save himself fro mthe Quints. Megs helped the Autobots back in season 2, but he was still evil.

Which is pretty much what I said before.

Thanks :grin:

BTW Megatron also helped the Autobots in season 1.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:23 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Blitzwing was still evil, he just helped the Autobots to save himself fro mthe Quints. Megs helped the Autobots back in season 2, but he was still evil.

Which is pretty much what I said before.

Thanks

BTW Megatron also helped the Autobots in season 1.

Right, there too.