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Or are they just stupid idiots hell bent on fear mongering?

Recently there was a "horrible outbreak of swine flu" in New Zealand that would have "dire consquences for us and our families". Which, was bullpoop. Yes, there have been about three positive cases of swine flu, but the rest that were supposed to spell our doom turned out to be Influenza A.

I mean, are the media people morons or do they just like to stir the pot?

First it was SARS that was going to do us all in, then it was Birdflu, now its swine flu.

I mean, maybe its the NZL media, recently there were some decent MVAs in the region and we ended up with some of the people from those accidents on the ward, one guy was said by the media to have "serious head, neck, spine injuries and was moments from death" in reality, he had a simple fracture. He actually thought it was amusing.

So, what is it? Do people here swallow the crap the media spews out? And if they can bollocks up the results of an MVA or a pig flu, what else are they lying about or at least ignorant about?

Yes. they do it on purpose. Smart politicians learn how to utilize this to their advantage and advance their careers, mostly at the expense of the Average Joe. Or Jane. I do not doubt that it is such in New Zealand, not just in the United States of America. The media is out to be most popular and make the most money through sponsors. I myself can barely sit through a newscast, when i only need the weather report. Everything else is sensationalized and made into a popularity contest. Sad.

Its happens every where; but just to give you an idea of how bad things are Stateside......

The General Electric corp (GE)owns the National Broadcasting Co (NBC) which provides a great deal of very biased support for liberal politicians who in turn have arranged for GE to make a veritable mint off of "Global Warming" legislation which, despite the vast amount of evidence that global warming is in fact nonsense, is popularized by left leaning media outlets like the prominent NBC and thus because of its popularity is a cause taken up by politicians who sole principle is to do whats most popular from day to day in order to stay in power.


Believe it or not ^ is not a conspiracy theory

Well, global warming is NOT nonsense. It's definitely blown way out of proportion, but it's real, though progressing much slower tham most people would like to admit. It's all about money.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Well, global warming is NOT nonsense. It's definitely blown way out of proportion, but it's real, though progressing much slower tham most people would like to admit. It's all about money.

Two things about global warming: one, the planet used to be a pile of molten rock so hot nothing could surive.

Two, we're recovering from an ice age.

The planet of course is getting warmer because it's the way the planet cycles, its just a normal stage of develeopment, I'm not arrogant enough to think humanity is causing it to speed up, but we should watch the pollutants for our own health if nothing else.

You don't want lung cancer.

Just Negare wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Well, global warming is NOT nonsense. It's definitely blown way out of proportion, but it's real, though progressing much slower tham most people would like to admit. It's all about money.

Two things about global warming: one, the planet used to be a pile of molten rock so hot nothing could surive.

Two, we're recovering from an ice age.

The planet of course is getting warmer because it's the way the planet cycles, its just a normal stage of develeopment.

I'm glad you said that, because I was thinking along those lines as well. Global warming is a natural progression, it has little to do with us, and our industrial production, as most people with financial stake in this would have you believe.

Well man made global warming is certainly nonsense; natural global warming is a very real occurrence but is not occurring now. We are actually getting colder and if the solar cycle is anything to go by (and it most provably is) its about to get a hell of a lot worse. But has the mainstream media said one word; just one word about the solar cycle? Nope not one.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm glad you said that, because I was thinking along those lines as well. Global warming is a natural progression, it has little to do with us, and our industrial production, as most people with financial stake in this would have you believe.

Regardless, you've got to feel sorry for the Polar Bears.

Just Negare wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm glad you said that, because I was thinking along those lines as well. Global warming is a natural progression, it has little to do with us, and our industrial production, as most people with financial stake in this would have you believe.

Regardless, you've got to feel sorry for the Polar Bears.

Why would you feel sorry for them? They are in no danger at all...

For a couple of years now we have had record ice caps and both the polar bear and fur seal populations are at and have been at record levels for years.

Well, they keep blabbing in the media about how Polar Bears are endangered and what not.

With that said, I think its a load of crap anyway, but if the ice caps are melting, regardless of cause, and the PB end up dying out, well, I guess it just proves Darwin's theory of those most adaptive to change will continue.

Just Negare wrote:Well, they keep blabbing in the media about how Polar Bears are endangered and what not.

With that said, I think its a load of crap anyway, but if the ice caps are melting, regardless of cause, and the PB end up dying out, well, I guess it just proves Darwin's theory of those most adaptive to change will continue.

The part I find funny was that when the eco freaks somehow successfuly argued for the the polar bear to be added to the endangered species list (based on supposed future threat to populations due to global warming) their argument actualy admited that polar bear population levels were very healthy and not even threatened under current conditions.

Jar Axel wrote:Well man made global warming is certainly nonsense; natural global warming is a very real occurrence but is not occurring now. We are actually getting colder and if the solar cycle is anything to go by (and it most provably is) its about to get a hell of a lot worse. But has the mainstream media said one word; just one word about the solar cycle? Nope not one.

My opinion is that reguardless of whether it's true or not, I would rather play it safe and not make a potentionally bad situlation worse but the human race. Since I can't drive it's not a big deal for me, and some people can use the exersise.

What potentially bad situation Cyberstike? Do you mean that whole "Global Warming destroying the Earth" nonsense? If so please go look up a little something called the carboniferous period and compare that to all the claims about the dangers of global warming; it's quite funny really.

What amuses me is when you see these idiots driving around in gas guzzeling SUVs with "save the planet" and "green peace" bumper stickers!

But seriously, its all supply and demand, if people keep demanding and buying these monstrosities then no company in their right mind is going to mass produce a water fuelled. SO until people start demanding cleaner burning fuels and better tech then they can STFU about pollution.

I mean, seesh, I don't buy into this crap and I"m probably "greener" then them! I don't leave the lights on when I'm not in the room. I don't use a heater, I use a jersey, I don't use an electric blanket I use a sheep skin.

I think we can all come together in unity and acknowledge the vaste majority of people are retards.

Speaking of global warming I just had to laugh when I was listening to the radio when the news break came on. They were having a great time with this little press release that said a lot of temperature gauges they use are in the middle of cities where the blacktop roads buildings and concrete all radiate heat making the temperature appear to be rising.

Lucy wrote:Speaking of global warming I just had to laugh when I was listening to the radio when the news break came on. They were having a great time with this little press release that said a lot of temperature gauges they use are in the middle of cities where the blacktop roads buildings and concrete all radiate heat making the temperature appear to be rising.

I'm not advocating that we panic about global warming (though we're not really kind to Mother Earth), but I don't think this proves or disproves anything. It would be a joke if environmentalists were taking readings from a guage in the Arctic Circle in 1988 and then in Costa Rica in 2008 and saying that temperatures were rising. But no matter where these guages are set up, if they've been at the same place all this time, a temperature rise is a temperature rise. This doesn't indicate global warming--it could be as simple as someone recently venting hot fumes from a nearby house--but if all the factors such as location, time of year, etc. are constants, it's not appearing to be rising; it's rising.

Besides, I thought it was established that temperatures ARE rising, just that it's a tendency of the Earth, not something we've done.

Me, Grimlock! wrote:

Lucy wrote:
Besides, I thought it was established that temperatures ARE rising, just that it's a tendency of the Earth, not something we've done.

Yes, Negare was kind enough to point that out a few posts ago. There is global warming, but it is not as severe as some might have us believe, nor is it mainly our making, however we do contribute to it with CO2 emissions and other destructive habits towards the environment.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yes, Negare was kind enough to point that out a few posts ago.

You know the old lady I caused to have diarrohea didn't think I was all that kind.

Seriously, lady, when someone asks you "had you had a poop today/yesterday" you don't say "No", you say "Oh, yes, I've had major diarrohea, please don't give me any laxatives".

Hahah, thank God for care associates, cos I didn't have to clean up any of it!! HAHAHAH!!!

Oh yeah, and remember how everyone was always going on about how the earth was flat and how we'd die cos we'd sale off the edge....

Me, Grimlock! wrote:Besides, I thought it was established that temperatures ARE rising, just that it's a tendency of the Earth, not something we've done.

No it is not established that temps are rising; it is established that for the past ten years temps have been cooling by a rate of about 1/100 to 1/50* of a degree annually.

*average the last couple of years have cooled much more significantly

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yes, Negare was kind enough to point that out a few posts ago. There is global warming

Jar Axel wrote:No it is not established that temps are rising; it is established that for the past ten years temps have been cooling by a rate of about 1/100 to 1/50* of a degree annually.

So....... which is it?

Rodimus Prime wrote:but it is not as severe as some might have us believe, nor is it mainly our making, however we do contribute to it with CO2 emissions and other destructive habits towards the environment.

No doubt. I don't think we should naiveley believe we're scot free in this. Even if we're not the big problem, we can't just believe that pumping fumes and radiation into the air, gobbling up resources, polluting oceans, and contributing to species extinction isn't having any effect.

Jar Axel wrote:What potentially bad situation Cyberstike? Do you mean that whole "Global Warming destroying the Earth" nonsense? If so please go look up a little something called the carboniferous period and compare that to all the claims about the dangers of global warming; it's quite funny really.

The ice melts and that water has to go somewhere and the smog in some major cities creates health risks.

Jar Axel wrote:

Me, Grimlock! wrote:Besides, I thought it was established that temperatures ARE rising, just that it's a tendency of the Earth, not something we've done.

No it is not established that temps are rising; it is established that for the past ten years temps have been cooling by a rate of about 1/100 to 1/50* of a degree annually.

*average the last couple of years have cooled much more significantly

Can you please post some links to certified articles or research that isn't completely right wing to back up what you're saying? Otherwise I am inclined to form an opinion of your views as complete crock. Thanks.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Jar Axel wrote:

Me, Grimlock! wrote:Besides, I thought it was established that temperatures ARE rising, just that it's a tendency of the Earth, not something we've done.

No it is not established that temps are rising; it is established that for the past ten years temps have been cooling by a rate of about 1/100 to 1/50* of a degree annually.

*average the last couple of years have cooled much more significantly

Can you please post some links to certified articles or research that isn't completely right wing to back up what you're saying? Otherwise I am inclined to form an opinion of your views as complete crock. Thanks.

Define right wing because I get it from Nasa's own reports; also I should point out that if you base your views on the reporting of the mainstream media you have far less of a leg to stand on (see my first post in this thread)

Grimlock it varies from year to year with the average for most of the past
decade being about 1 to 2 tenths of a degree depending on how you average it. This isn't to that we haven't droped more than this over the course of the decade but it is how the yearly drops aveage out.


Edit: Belay that on nasa; they don't have thier weekly and daily reports listed and are still using the currupt GISS data for their monthly and yearly reports. Check out the HAD-CRUT records instead.

Jar Axel wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Jar Axel wrote:

Me, Grimlock! wrote:Besides, I thought it was established that temperatures ARE rising, just that it's a tendency of the Earth, not something we've done.

No it is not established that temps are rising; it is established that for the past ten years temps have been cooling by a rate of about 1/100 to 1/50* of a degree annually.

*average the last couple of years have cooled much more significantly

Can you please post some links to certified articles or research that isn't completely right wing to back up what you're saying? Otherwise I am inclined to form an opinion of your views as complete crock. Thanks.

Define right wing because I get it from Nasa's own reports; also I should point out that if you base your views on the reporting of the mainstream media you have far less of a leg to stand on (see my first post in this thread)

I don't. Which is why I requested thay you don't either. Otherwise, as I said, you would have lost all credibility.

Edit: Belay that on nasa; they don't have thier weekly and daily reports listed and are still using the currupt GISS data for their monthly and yearly reports. Check out the HAD-CRUT records instead.

Thanks. As someone who's really on the fence about this, I needed some sources that were unbiased.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I don't. Which is why I requested thay you don't either. Otherwise, as I said, you would have lost all credibility.

So if I'm listening to Mike Church and he has as his guest a scientist who actually works in the field come on and talk about his research that research is somehow incredible just because I'm listening to a right wing talk show?

Thanks. As someone who's really on the fence about this, I needed some sources that were unbiased.

You haven't been trying very hard have you? I'll tell you what though... I haven't had a chance to check it out yet, but Climatedepot.com supposedly has a report concerning the only experiment to prove/disprove the green house effect in a lab.