The Energon Pub

Hasbro can get creative and add light pipings on other parts, besides the eyes.

Like vehicle headlights. Or some weapon edges.

I'd much prefer them WITHOUT the lights and sounds.

Vector Prime sealed that for me. He could have been given decent hips if it weren't for his sound box and mini-con gimmick.

I think Hasbro should create a separate category purely for kids and toddlers. So they can put all those lights and sounds gimmick on it.

Then eliminate these things from the regular line up. Especially from Leader Class toys.

The "collector" market isn't big enough for Hasbro to really dedicate themselves too.

They're toy makers. That's their main focus.

Auto Bot wrote:I think Hasbro should create a separate category purely for kids and toddlers. So they can put all those lights and sounds gimmick on it.

Then eliminate these things from the regular line up. Especially from Leader Class toys.

A big trans fat no.

megatroptimus wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:I think Hasbro should create a separate category purely for kids and toddlers. So they can put all those lights and sounds gimmick on it.

Then eliminate these things from the regular line up. Especially from Leader Class toys.

A big trans fat no.

If you take out the batteries and circuits, you'll have more room for more intricate transformations. The bots will be lean, just like in the movie. Not to mention more numerous smaller parts, more articulations, and more tiny details.

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If you take out the batteries and circuits, you'll have more room for more intricate transformations. The bots will be lean, just like in the movie. Not to mention more numerous smaller parts, more articulations, and more tiny details.

Have you had a look at recent Transformers? They are more intricate and detailed than ever. And electronics in Leader Prime, Leader Meg and Leader Brawl don't interfere at all with the their functionality.

megatroptimus wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:
If you take out the batteries and circuits, you'll have more room for more intricate transformations. The bots will be lean, just like in the movie. Not to mention more numerous smaller parts, more articulations, and more tiny details.

Have you had a look at recent Transformers? They are more intricate and detailed than ever. And electronics in Leader Prime, Leader Meg and Leader Brawl don't interfere at all with the their functionality.

In fact they do. For Megatron, his tail is so heavy. Most of the time, he'll fall on his back. The circuitry makes the torso very solid one piece. But it should be more detailed and flexible. BB is small, but his torso is much better detailed and flexible than Megatron.

For Prime, his back side is all wrong. The main reason being the batteries and circuitry. So the cylinder thing can't really move to the correct V position, because of the connections in the electronics. It's stucked as vertical pipes on his back. Also, Prime's size and manner of transformation makes him a perfect candidate for a decent interior of the truck. Something like Alternators. Even better. It's got lots of space that don't need to be torn apart or crumble during transformation. Because of the lighting effects, we can't have these. All we see is some chrome solid thing inside.

No lights and sound please. I had to take the batteries out of my Cyb. Jetfire and Dark Scorpinok. Too annoying.

I did too.

Now Megi's ass is not so heavy.

You pay more because of those damn electronic parts in your robot + the batteries. They get really annoying after awhile. Its fun the first time you transform something, but I just take out the batteries. Only Optimal Optimus from the BW line was spared. Since he's not doing any sounds, just lights. But hey, these are toys designed for kids. So what are ya gonna do. Just buy the damn thing, take out the batteries and enjoy the toy, that's what you're gonna do.

Fury wrote:You pay more because of those damn electronic parts in your robot + the batteries. They get really annoying after awhile. Its fun the first time you transform something, but I just take out the batteries. Only Optimal Optimus from the BW line was spared. Since he's not doing any sounds, just lights. But hey, these are toys designed for kids. So what are ya gonna do. Just buy the damn thing, take out the batteries and enjoy the toy, that's what you're gonna do.

We should be given an option to refund the batteries. Or trade them in for some free-deluxe figures coupons.

Any takers?

Or use the batteries for our remotes and other things using batteries.. Heck, there are some ''good'' sides to everything.

But they're not Energizers!

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megatroptimus wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:
If you take out the batteries and circuits, you'll have more room for more intricate transformations. The bots will be lean, just like in the movie. Not to mention more numerous smaller parts, more articulations, and more tiny details.

Have you had a look at recent Transformers? They are more intricate and detailed than ever. And electronics in Leader Prime, Leader Meg and Leader Brawl don't interfere at all with the their functionality.

In fact they do. For Megatron, his tail is so heavy. Most of the time, he'll fall on his back. The circuitry makes the torso very solid one piece. But it should be more detailed and flexible. BB is small, but his torso is much better detailed and flexible than Megatron.

For Prime, his back side is all wrong. The main reason being the batteries and circuitry. So the cylinder thing can't really move to the correct V position, because of the connections in the electronics. It's stucked as vertical pipes on his back. Also, Prime's size and manner of transformation makes him a perfect candidate for a decent interior of the truck. Something like Alternators. Even better. It's got lots of space that don't need to be torn apart or crumble during transformation. Because of the lighting effects, we can't have these. All we see is some chrome solid thing inside.

i guess for leader brawl the battery isn't that much on the way regarding his flexibility..it's on the main turret on his back..you'll just see little wires crawling to his body for the switch..

alexsuzy wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

megatroptimus wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:
If you take out the batteries and circuits, you'll have more room for more intricate transformations. The bots will be lean, just like in the movie. Not to mention more numerous smaller parts, more articulations, and more tiny details.

Have you had a look at recent Transformers? They are more intricate and detailed than ever. And electronics in Leader Prime, Leader Meg and Leader Brawl don't interfere at all with the their functionality.

In fact they do. For Megatron, his tail is so heavy. Most of the time, he'll fall on his back. The circuitry makes the torso very solid one piece. But it should be more detailed and flexible. BB is small, but his torso is much better detailed and flexible than Megatron.

For Prime, his back side is all wrong. The main reason being the batteries and circuitry. So the cylinder thing can't really move to the correct V position, because of the connections in the electronics. It's stucked as vertical pipes on his back. Also, Prime's size and manner of transformation makes him a perfect candidate for a decent interior of the truck. Something like Alternators. Even better. It's got lots of space that don't need to be torn apart or crumble during transformation. Because of the lighting effects, we can't have these. All we see is some chrome solid thing inside.

i guess for leader brawl the battery isn't that much on the way regarding his flexibility..it's on the main turret on his back..you'll just see little wires crawling to his body for the switch..

I think Brawl is the only one done with good design. Despite the gimmicks and batteries.

I gotta get me one of those!

Lights are okay, but sounds are always annoying, so I end up taking out the batteries. Some gimmicks are okay, as long as they don't impede the transformation. Energon's linking gimmick was poorly done, and Cybertron's cyber keys had mixed results... so far automorph is okay for some figures, but could've been done better on some. Classics, with no gimmick at all, have no problems. I think I just prefer a well-designed toy, whether it has gimmick or not.

But Classics were not well designed, even without gimmicks.

-Megatron should be wearing his fusion cannon on top of his arm, not under. Lame non-G1 colors too.

-Starscream's wings get in the way when it's time to pose the arms.

-Astrotrain has 2 terrible alternate modes.

-Grimlock looks like a dog.

-Poor transformation scheme for Jetfire, they don't even bother hiding the hands.

-Stupid and uimaginative gun for Mirage.

Movie toys are wayyyy better/more interesting imo.

Btw, never had any problem posing Megatron. Don't know what is the back heavyness you're talking about.

To each is own, I guess. I personally think Classics are better designed than the Unicron Trilogy figures, at least. Some of the figures from the movie line are superior, I'll agree, but some aren't.

megatroptimus wrote:But Classics were not well designed, even without gimmicks.

-Megatron should be wearing his fusion cannon on top of his arm, not under. Lame non-G1 colors too.

-Starscream's wings get in the way when it's time to pose the arms.

-Astrotrain has 2 terrible alternate modes.

-Grimlock looks like a dog.

-Poor transformation scheme for Jetfire, they don't even bother hiding the hands.

-Stupid and uimaginative gun for Mirage.

Movie toys are wayyyy better/more interesting imo.

Btw, never had any problem posing Megatron. Don't know what is the back heavyness you're talking about.

There's no perfect toy.

But classics, taken as a whole, is a well thought out design.

Megatron's cannon under the arm is not bad. Unless you're a G1 purist that can't accept any minute changes at all. It's like a heavy machine-gun or high-powered weapon thing that humans carry under the arm. An example would be the weapons used in the "Alien" movie.

Starscream's wings gets in the way. Not entirely because of a faulty wing design or misplaced arms. But rather, it's because of the GIMMICK firing weapon. If you take away the launching missiles, the gun will be much smaller. Like in the G1 cartoon. Then, majority of the pose you want to do will NOT interfere with the wings. As a proof, try removing the guns. You'll see how posable Starscream becomes. The wings are very-well designed.

Grimlock does NOT look like a dog. But rather, his design is more up-to-date with the modern knowledge of the T-rex dinosaur. Recently, studies have shown T-rex to be more agile and streamlined, with a straight back running from the head to the tail. Classics Grimlock is exactly like that. Very much closer in design to the real T-rex.

G1 Grimlock design is more Godzilla-like. Due to the mistaken image of how a T-rex should look like, back in the 80s.

Mirage is one of the most creative designs among the Classics. He is extremely posable. His gun is NOT stupid. In fact, its design resembles a crossbow, in disguise. Unique. Fits perfectly into his robot and car mode designs.

Jetfire looks very close to the cartoon version. A giant leap improvement from his Macross-copycat design of the 80s. Although, the arms do stick out from under the alt mode. Partially hidden only if you stick the weapon to it. Yes, this part is a big minus point for Jetfire. But he's not different from Movie Starscream in this department. Starscream's cannon arms stuck out under the wings exactly like Jetfire. And much bigger too. Real jetfighter don't carry giant gatling guns or rotary missile launchers under the wings! At least Jetfire has hands, and can be partially hidden in alt mode.

Leader Megatron is back heavy if you don't take out the batteries. (I took out mine). Sure, it can have decent poses in action. But if you want to get him to stand straight, as if he is frozen in stasis. You'll find it challenging to get his to stand straight without falling on his back. Unless you make him slouch a little. Or pull the arms a bit forward to balance him.