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I didn't know whether you guys wanted the Spotlight Optimus thread to go on or not, so I thought I'd start a new one.
Tigertracks made some vvveeerry interesting points in that thread:

tigertracks 24 wrote:See there were not any surprises about Optimus. We knew he's a good warrior, a reluctant leader, idealistic, and that he attempts to always do what is right.

Finding out that others are flawed in their efforts.........

especially Nova, who seemed to have more Decepticon qualities than Autobot...he's beginning to realize.

We are really finding out that Autobots and Autobot leadership, may not have been as pure as the current leadership.

From what we know of them, Sentinel and Nova each seem to be flawed in ways that make them very similar to Decepticons... Sentinel Prime is very no nonsense, strong, and violent...(Megatron-at the beginning, winning allies through shows of brute strength and violence) Nova Prime seems to be into expansion and the fact that Transformers themselves are better than many other races and thus, should rule them if that is the case, and expand to their areas...(Megatron--"Peace through tyranny.")

Perhaps Prime is seeing that Megatron is not so far off in the way he does things compared to former matrix guardians, and he feels quite worried about this. In fact, it seems comparted to WHAT WE KNOW of these last two Prime's, Megatron seems to line up with their ideals quite nicely...

It is quite interesting when you really start thinking about it.

which got me to wondering .
OK, so who exactly chooses the Prime; the counsel or the Matrix itself? 'Cause if it is indeed the matrix itself that chooses it's bearer, then judging by what we've discovered about Optimus's predecessors - some having more Decepticon qualities than Autobot- would that mean that the Matrix itself is flawed? Or did it choose them even it would have to know what kind of 'bot they were ?
In other words are these the signs of a possible darkside of the matrix rearing its head (any one who remembers the old Matrix quest - especially when Thunderwing got it - from the marvel comics line knows what I'm referring to)

I think that Matrix bearers can change over time, maybe Nova Prime started out as a nice guy

Maybe we are foolish to trust Omega Supreme's slant on the events that unfolded?

Stormwolf wrote:I think that Matrix bearers can change over time, maybe Nova Prime started out as a nice guy

Or the Matrix has a "master plan" so to speak. Each Bearer is completely different and will give the Matrix different information, philosophies and views of the universe and life in general. An interesting story arc could be made about the Matrix and it's purpose.

It always seems to be collecting more information than it spits out.

Caelus wrote:Maybe we are foolish to trust Omega Supreme's slant on the events that unfolded?

umm I dunno about that, I mean he is one of those logical, believing in fact types so I kinda doubt he'd lie about anything.....

trence5 wrote:

Caelus wrote:Maybe we are foolish to trust Omega Supreme's slant on the events that unfolded?

umm I dunno about that, I mean he is one of those logical, believing in fact types so I kinda doubt he'd lie about anything.....

You mean that he was a logical character is previous mediums. We have no real idea what his character is in the IDW Furmanverse yet.

Can we blame the Matrix for Sentinal Prime's "Corruption"? AS best as I can tell, he never had the Matrix either.

Optimus is really the Autobots first true leader though, as neither Nova or Sentional had to deal with a threat such as the Decepticons.

Caelus wrote:Maybe we are foolish to trust Omega Supreme's slant on the events that unfolded?

Didn't that kind of confirm something that was already in the Galvatron Spotlight?

Err... I don't think we're gonna figure out what's going on until we gain some more information about how things work in the "Ultimate" continuity.

Like, what exactly makes a Prime, if tere is or is not an actual Matrix in this continuity, etc. As it is we've only gotten a few scant hints, not all of them (seemingly) in aggreement with each other...

But that's part of the charm of this new version of the mythos, not knowing what exactly is going on right away.

JazZeke wrote:Err... I don't think we're gonna figure out what's going on until we gain some more information about how things work in the "Ultimate" continuity.

Like, what exactly makes a Prime, if tere is or is not an actual Matrix in this continuity, etc. As it is we've only gotten a few scant hints, not all of them (seemingly) in aggreement with each other...

But that's part of the charm of this new version of the mythos, not knowing what exactly is going on right away.

Good point.
Best example I can think of concerns Prime himself:
Megatron Origins showed Optimus Prime in his "Orion Pax" form.

So either there is a Matrix, or similar method of selecting a leader out of nowhere. Either that or he got damaged and rebuilt into Optimus Prime (ala G1 cartoon)

MagnusPrimal wrote:

Caelus wrote:Maybe we are foolish to trust Omega Supreme's slant on the events that unfolded?

Didn't that kind of confirm something that was already in the Galvatron Spotlight?

It confirmed that Nova Prime led the expedition to the Expanse.

But we only have Omega's word regarding Nova's motives for doing so.

trence5 wrote:I didn't know whether you guys wanted the Spotlight Optimus thread to go on or not, so I thought I'd start a new one.
Tigertracks made some vvveeerry interesting points in that thread:

tigertracks 24 wrote:See there were not any surprises about Optimus. We knew he's a good warrior, a reluctant leader, idealistic, and that he attempts to always do what is right.

Finding out that others are flawed in their efforts.........

especially Nova, who seemed to have more Decepticon qualities than Autobot...he's beginning to realize.

We are really finding out that Autobots and Autobot leadership, may not have been as pure as the current leadership.

From what we know of them, Sentinel and Nova each seem to be flawed in ways that make them very similar to Decepticons... Sentinel Prime is very no nonsense, strong, and violent...(Megatron-at the beginning, winning allies through shows of brute strength and violence) Nova Prime seems to be into expansion and the fact that Transformers themselves are better than many other races and thus, should rule them if that is the case, and expand to their areas...(Megatron--"Peace through tyranny.")

Perhaps Prime is seeing that Megatron is not so far off in the way he does things compared to former matrix guardians, and he feels quite worried about this. In fact, it seems comparted to WHAT WE KNOW of these last two Prime's, Megatron seems to line up with their ideals quite nicely...

It is quite interesting when you really start thinking about it.

which got me to wondering .
OK, so who exactly chooses the Prime; the counsel or the Matrix itself? 'Cause if it is indeed the matrix itself that chooses it's bearer, then judging by what we've discovered about Optimus's predecessors - some having more Decepticon qualities than Autobot- would that mean that the Matrix itself is flawed? Or did it choose them even it would have to know what kind of 'bot they were ?
In other words are these the signs of a possible darkside of the matrix rearing its head (any one who remembers the old Matrix quest - especially when Thunderwing got it - from the marvel comics line knows what I'm referring to)

Look at that, somebody took something I wrote and made a whole thread about it! Thank god it's positive.

As has been said there's too many questions about this 'new' Furman -verse. We don't know if it works like the others, if we can make assumptions based on previous knowledge.

Experiences with the series and continuity written so far, says to us, no you cannot do that, things are not necessarily the same here as they were in other continuities, not even so called 'rocks' of the franchise-- like the idea of the matrix being given to Autobot leaders, that Primus and Unicron are responsible for the race, that Autobot = mostly morally upstanding folks--fighting for 'just' causes, that Decepticons are all evil, or power hungry...etc.

We need more background information to be able to make our theories, because right now we are theorizing on the 'rocks' of the TF universe, which we have not had to do before. They were pretty much set in stone, and now they may be in stone, but we haven't been given enough information to decipher the writing.

Whew...

Caelus wrote:

MagnusPrimal wrote:

Caelus wrote:Maybe we are foolish to trust Omega Supreme's slant on the events that unfolded?

Didn't that kind of confirm something that was already in the Galvatron Spotlight?

It confirmed that Nova Prime led the expedition to the Expanse.

But we only have Omega's word regarding Nova's motives for doing so.

Well, we do know that Nova Prime had a Matrix, and the launch of the Ark was not about 'exploration or the opening of new trade routes... The Ark was about destiny!'

That was taken from the Galvatron Spotlight, and on it's face at least could easily be seen as supportive of Omega's views.

There's one thing that I dont think you guys considered.Maybe there are more Transformers then we first thought that are capable or benifiting from the power of the Matrix.It might be that half the population is Matrix adaptible.And the reason why TF's think it more of a selective prosses is that the Elders feared that if such info would go public that people would do anything for it power.That would explain why Scourge got a power boost from the Matrix in the toon.

Perhaps the council's role (if there is one in the IDW Furmanverse) to select the most "pure" bot they can to carry to Matrix.

The Matrix itself could Tarnish the Primes, so far we have no true indication to tell us how long Nova Prime bore the Matrix.

Still gives us no reason as to why Sentinel Prime was chosen/what corrupted him. Although just having the "Power" of a Prime could be enough to tarnish them...

Hopefully this will be an issue that will be fleshed out and answered, not just glossed over and forgotten about.