The Energon Pub

It basically explains itself...
Optimus vs Optimus
Megs vs Megs
Devastator vs Devastator
and so on...Post who you think would win

G1

GEEWUN wrote:G1

What he said.

Needs an explanation:

G1 Optimus VS.Movie Optimus

G1 Optimus
Can transform into truck
-Has 1 rifle
-has 1 energon axe
-immobility of the design

Movie Optimus
-Can transform into truck
-Has 2 buster rifle
-Has 2 battle blades
-mobility of the design

Result: Movie Optimus wins


G1 Megatron VS. Movie Megatron

G1 Megatron
-Can transform into gun and needs someone to use him
-Has a bothersome 'kibble' cannon
-has an energon mice
-immobility of the design

Movie Megatron
-Can transform into cybertronian jet/tank and can move on his own with such speed and strength
-Has a cannon completely hidden into his body
-Has a whip
-mobility of the design

Result: Movie Megatron wins

G1 Devastator VS.Movie Devastator

G1 Devastator
-transformed from individual
robots
-huge robot
-immobility of the design

Movie Devastator
-transformed from individual vehicles
-huge robot
-can suck anything with such strength into his mouth leaving fully grinded and crushed from behind
-mobility of the design

Result: Movie Devastator wins

shin shinobi wrote:Needs an explanation:

G1 Optimus VS.Movie Optimus

G1 Optimus
Can transform into truck
-Has 1 rifle
-has 1 energon axe
-immobility of the design

Movie Optimus
-Can transform into truck
-Has 2 buster rifle
-Has 2 battle blades
-mobility of the design

Result: Movie Optimus wins


G1 Megatron VS. Movie Megatron

G1 Megatron
-Can transform into gun and needs someone to use him
-Has a bothersome 'kibble' cannon
-has an energon mice
-immobility of the design

Movie Megatron
-Can transform into cybertronian jet/tank and can move on his own with such speed and strength
-Has a cannon completely hidden into his body
-Has a whip
-mobility of the design

Result: Movie Megatron wins

G1 Devastator VS.Movie Devastator

G1 Devastator
-transformed from individual
robots
-huge robot
-immobility of the design

Movie Devastator
-transformed from individual vehicles
-huge robot
-can suck anything with such strength into his mouth leaving fully grinded and crushed from behind
-mobility of the design

Result: Movie Devastator wins

G1 megatron has an energon flail even though we all say mace not "mice". He has a lightsaber to as seen in the '86 movie. Also that "Kibble cannon" is also known as a fusion cannon, and it can shatter entire mountains compared to movie megs weaker gun. G1 megatron doesn't need anyone to operate him as seen in the G1 transformers game exclusive to japan. Megatron seems pretty agile too in the fight in the '86 movie plus he's got flight in bot mode like megs so they are probably about equal on agility/mobiliity. More firepower, more weaponry, just as mobile, more durable G1 wins!

G1 optimus looks pretty darn "mobile" when the Touch is playing and doing flips and shooting and epicness in the '86 movie. The ion rifle is twice as powerful one buster rifle making them equal in firepower. G1 optimus is extremely durable taking 100 times more damage than movie optimus took before their deaths. G1 optimus also has "the touch" More durable, more power, hidden weaponry, just as agile, G1 wins!

G1 devastator is taller than movie devastator, he actually can shoot lasers, missiles, and bullets, while Movie Devastator seems to only have grappling hook, kirby mouth , and wrecking balls. Movie Devastator got shot once in the chest by a rail cannon while G1 has taken a lot more punishment. Movie devastator stomped very slowly not even being able to scale the pyramid without a grappling hook, but G1 devastator climbed the empire state building in "City of Steel" making G1 more mobile. Movie Devastator got injured by Skids and Mudflap shooting out his vacuum mouth with their small guns. G1 Devastator's huge barrel rifle could shoot not only his vacuum mouth, but probably clean Movie Devastator's head off too. More durable, taller, more firepower, and more "mobile" G1 wins!!!



The only way I see a movie-verse character winning that has bee seen in the films is possibly movie bumblebee, and the movie constructicons in their individual forms. They are more individual constructicons than G1 constructicons, however G1 would combine and crush the fragile movie constructicons one by one.

G1 would totally beat them up. Bayformers... They just got nothin on g1. Unless we talkin IDW g1 where the bayformers might stand a chance only cause the idw characters are so fail.

The movie ones. They're just so brutal! G1 Optimus would be giving a speech about why he wouldn't kill movie Optimus because freedom is the right of all sentient beings, while movie Optimus would have ripped his face off in the middle of his speech.

G1 Megatron would sit around talking about how he'd kill movie Megatron for like 5 minutes, giving movie Megatron a chance to slip around the back and stab him in the back, then blow him off his blade.

G1 Bumblebee would shoot movie Bumblebee and realize that his gun does nothing against movie Bumblebee, because G1 Bumblebee is just a punk, so movie Bumblebee rips G1 Bumblebee's arms off and pulls his head out of his ass with his spine still attatched.

Now, G1 Starscream may have something against movie Starscream. If they where in vehicle mode though, movie Starscream would win.

GEEWUN wrote:G1 megatron has an energon flail even though we all say mace not "mice". He has a lightsaber to as seen in the '86 movie. Also that "Kibble cannon" is also known as a fusion cannon, and it can shatter entire mountains compared to movie megs weaker gun. G1 megatron doesn't need anyone to operate him as seen in the G1 transformers game exclusive to japan. Megatron seems pretty agile too in the fight in the '86 movie plus he's got flight in bot mode like megs so they are probably about equal on agility/mobiliity. More firepower, more weaponry, just as mobile, more durable G1 wins!

G1 optimus looks pretty darn "mobile" when the Touch is playing and doing flips and shooting and epicness in the '86 movie. The ion rifle is twice as powerful one buster rifle making them equal in firepower. G1 optimus is extremely durable taking 100 times more damage than movie optimus took before their deaths. G1 optimus also has "the touch" More durable, more power, hidden weaponry, just as agile, G1 wins!

G1 devastator is taller than movie devastator, he actually can shoot lasers, missiles, and bullets, while Movie Devastator seems to only have grappling hook, kirby mouth , and wrecking balls. Movie Devastator got shot once in the chest by a rail cannon while G1 has taken a lot more punishment. Movie devastator stomped very slowly not even being able to scale the pyramid without a grappling hook, but G1 devastator climbed the empire state building in "City of Steel" making G1 more mobile. Movie Devastator got injured by Skids and Mudflap shooting out his vacuum mouth with their small guns. G1 Devastator's huge barrel rifle could shoot not only his vacuum mouth, but probably clean Movie Devastator's head off too. More durable, taller, more firepower, and more "mobile" G1 wins!!!



The only way I see a movie-verse character winning that has bee seen in the films is possibly movie bumblebee, and the movie constructicons in their individual forms. They are more individual constructicons than G1 constructicons, however G1 would combine and crush the fragile movie constructicons one by one.

Well the japanese game isn't canon to G1 canon, just more like a spin-off(What's the point of needing someone using him while he can fire at his own will in gunmode anyway?), and that fusion cannon that always mount on Megatron's arms is really a kibble and bothersome, if you are in Megatron's place, don't you feel it's really a bothersome to carry your long and big cannon all the time?(I challenge you to mount a long big pipe in your arm and let's see if you can stand it more than one day)
The movie one(sorry I don't want to call him a 'bayformer' ) can hide his cannon in a more compact and it's very practical so it won't be a bothersome to him.
And logically, the blocky design really can't do much human like poses, remember what you have seen him in action is an anime/cartoon that always defy physics and common sense so such things like that are quite impossible(Even the Masterpiece toy can't replicate much in the G1 cartoon both posability and proportionally).

G1 Optimus isn't really a "mobile" with that kind of design, just like the case of Megatron, it defies physics and common sense when it comes to anime/cartoon(although the Masterpiece Prime is kibble less, it can't still do much human-like poses like the latter Master Grade and Perfect Grade Gundam kits). so logically movie Prime still wins when it comes to mobility.

In case of G1 Devastator, although I haven't seen yet the episode when he climbs into the buiding(I'm still catching up the episodes via DVD), I'm very sure it's another case of defying physics and common sense in anime/cartoons, even the fanmade 3d model of Devastator as I've seen in the net like this one doesn't looks so mobile, from the looks of it, it can't do much human-like poses like wiggling and twisting the waist, bend their arms and legs 120 degress, etc. Movie version looks so agile and does have mobility, can wiggle any part of the body while he moves and can replicate much the "gorilla" walk(and it looks impossible for G1 Devastator). About the railgun thing, of course it's natural to cause him damage even on G1 Devastator because of such strength and power(there's a theory that railgun was also one of a product from the result of reverse engineering on Megatron AKA NBE-1 so it share the same power as cybertronian technology and it's quite possible)

The movie counterparts are slaughtered. The G1 Transformers are on a whole other level of power compared to them.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:The movie counterparts are slaughtered. The G1 Transformers are on a whole other level of power compared to them.

How? They're so fragile! Optimus got cut by a piece of wood in the G1 movie! In the forrest scene in ROTF Optimus and Megatron got smashed with entire trees and didn't get a scratch!

Bayformers are faster, stronger, and more reselient, as well as brutal. You wouldn't see G1 OP ripping someone's face off... or in half .

As for Megatron, he's no match for movie's Sword-Gun. They're way overpowered. Ratchet doesn't even have many weapons, and as for bee...yah. Movieverse wins.

Winners:

Movie Prime
2007 Megatron (RoTF Megs is a bitch)
Movie Ironhide
G1 Ratchet
RoTF Sideswipe
Movie Bumblebee
G1 Jazz
G1 Starscream
G1 Devastator
Movie Bonecrusher
G1 Soundwave
RoTF Ravage
G1 Rampage
RoTF Mixmaster
RoTF Long Haul
G1 Fallen (War Within, but it counts as G1)

SlyTF1 wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:The movie counterparts are slaughtered. The G1 Transformers are on a whole other level of power compared to them.

How? They're so fragile! Optimus got cut by a piece of wood in the G1 movie! In the forrest scene in ROTF Optimus and Megatron got smashed with entire trees and didn't get a scratch!

Wood? there was no wood in that fight! There was no forest in the middle of Autobot City!

When movie Prime can tank a capitol-ship laser cannon, limited-control freefall, being next to an explosion powerful enough to collapse a mountain and be strong enough to chuck an oil tanker, call me.

As for ruthlessness? G1 Prime was plenty willing to throw down.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:The movie counterparts are slaughtered. The G1 Transformers are on a whole other level of power compared to them.

How? They're so fragile! Optimus got cut by a piece of wood in the G1 movie! In the forrest scene in ROTF Optimus and Megatron got smashed with entire trees and didn't get a scratch!

Wood? there was no wood in that fight! There was no forest in the middle of Autobot City!

When movie Prime can tank a capitol-ship laser cannon, limited-control freefall, being next to an explosion powerful enough to collapse a mountain and be strong enough to chuck an oil tanker, call me.

As for ruthlessness? G1 Prime was plenty willing to throw down.

Did you ever see G1 Prime ever rip anyone's face off? And Optimus can throw a truck. Watch the ROTF M&Ms commercial.

SlyTF1 wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:The movie counterparts are slaughtered. The G1 Transformers are on a whole other level of power compared to them.

How? They're so fragile! Optimus got cut by a piece of wood in the G1 movie! In the forrest scene in ROTF Optimus and Megatron got smashed with entire trees and didn't get a scratch!

Wood? there was no wood in that fight! There was no forest in the middle of Autobot City!

When movie Prime can tank a capitol-ship laser cannon, limited-control freefall, being next to an explosion powerful enough to collapse a mountain and be strong enough to chuck an oil tanker, call me.

As for ruthlessness? G1 Prime was plenty willing to throw down.

Did you ever see G1 Prime ever rip anyone's face off? And Optimus can throw a truck. Watch the ROTF M&Ms commercial.

No, he simply shot them. And you are seriously equating throwing a truck with an oil tanker. Seriously.

SlyTF1 wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:The movie counterparts are slaughtered. The G1 Transformers are on a whole other level of power compared to them.

How? They're so fragile! Optimus got cut by a piece of wood in the G1 movie! In the forrest scene in ROTF Optimus and Megatron got smashed with entire trees and didn't get a scratch!

I don't think it was wood, it's more likely to have been a metal fragment from the heavily damaged and crumbling Autobot City.

However, as much as I adore G1, the sheer savagery of the Bayformers is enough to hand them victory.

i still belive it is the geewun counterparts

MightyMagnus78 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:The movie counterparts are slaughtered. The G1 Transformers are on a whole other level of power compared to them.

How? They're so fragile! Optimus got cut by a piece of wood in the G1 movie! In the forrest scene in ROTF Optimus and Megatron got smashed with entire trees and didn't get a scratch!

I don't think it was wood, it's more likely to have been a metal fragment from the heavily damaged and crumbling Autobot City.

However, as much as I adore G1, the sheer savagery of the Bayformers is enough to hand them victory.

The G1 TFs are not exactly lacking in toughness, having fought a war for roughly five million years before stasis lock.

Besides, look at the two Devastators. ROTF Devvy can't stand up, has no long-range weapons besides a suction mouth humans can hold against and was pretty damned fragile. G1 Devastator dances around him and blasts him in the back with a laser cannon capable of blowing up bridges.

MysteriousDewd wrote:G1 would totally beat them up. Bayformers... They just got nothin on g1. Unless we talkin IDW g1 where the bayformers might stand a chance only cause the idw characters are so fail.

How are the IDW incarnation of G1 fail?

nuff said.

momtimus-prime wrote:
nuff said.

Cool pic. And that's not even his only feat.

Plus G1 TF's can surf! remember the episode when they were riding that wave? Frikkin loved that part.

Don't have any pics of it but put aside all the who's tougher **** and ask if Bayverse TF's can surf.

Nope! G1 wins handsdown. In heart and in fight.

monstergrotusque wrote:Plus G1 TF's can surf! remember the episode when they were riding that wave? Frikkin loved that part.

Don't have any pics of it but put aside all the who's tougher **** and ask if Bayverse TF's can surf.

Nope! G1 wins handsdown. In heart and in fight.

Truely one of the several most awesome things in G1 next to Ratchet kick Thundercracker in the gut, and Trailbreaker and Cosmos saving everyone from the sun

Are we taking 'inflation' into account here? I mean, G1 has 27 years on the movieverse...I'm not making a "kidzzz roool!" argument, but the movie TFs don't really seem to have taken much of a technological step forward from G1. In the city battle of the 07 movie, it sure looks like Ratchets' weapon is firing bullets as opposed to any sort of beam. I could be wrong but I'm giving the weaponry edge to G1.

Aside from this, it was forgotten in ROTF but in the 07 movie giant, alien toughguy robots were beaten by humans with incendiary rounds. In G1's cartoons even TF scale laser weaponry at best knocked other bots to the ground. So, clearly the movie bots are panzies.
G1 all the way.

G1 TFs are colourful, simple and cute. Bayformers are grey, complex and ugly. In the arena of fandom, G1 wins.