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Ok, in another thread it was that Galvatron isn't Megatron from the future and they're separate 'bots.

All right people: like it or hate it ? and why?

Me......... , I'm on the fence. While it was cool to see Megatron more bad-ass than he was before, but by the end of the series he went nutz and one could argue that he really wasn't the same person any more. On the other hand this sets up a good chance they'll brawl without any of that pesky "alternate reality" or "time travel", or "alternate timeline" stuff gettin thrown it.

I assume you're referring to the IDW Spotlight. In which case, I have to say I'm definitely excited to see where they go with this new angle on the character. And I agree that him not being "Future Megatron" in this case does avoid the mess that could be caused by any sort of time-travel story arc.

Like It

- edit: I forgot to say why. Because I never liked how to get Cyclonus, Scourge and the Sweeps, you have to loose Thundercracker, Skywarp and the Insecticons. To some people, those characters are their favorites. So I prefer them being separate entities so everyone is happy. Obviously, fans of the new characters love the fact that they used to be the old characters, but it I think that separate characters is the most healthy compromise.

I like it, though my favorite version/explanation of Galvatron was the one supplied by Figueroa in his Macromasters comic.

I like it.

It gives us both Megatron and Galvatron at the same time without going through a Target 2006/Timewars rehash.

Time travel makes my brain hurt.

Time Travel is never done right, so I say why bother. Besides, his original tech spec never mentions he's Megatron, it just makes him out to the the Decepticon counterpart to Ultra Magnus.

Now, how about a story where Optimus almost dies and is rebuilt as Ultra Magnus?

Scaleface wrote:Time Travel is never done right, so I say why bother. Besides, his original tech spec never mentions he's Megatron, it just makes him out to the the Decepticon counterpart to Ultra Magnus.

Ummmmmmmmmmmm I dunno know I do remember seeing something about him being more evil than Megatron............ but like you said that didn't mean he was Megatron.

Scaleface wrote:Now, how about a story where Optimus almost dies and is rebuilt as Ultra Magnus?

That would be cool , but you know the funny this........................................ that what he was supposed to be to begin with

Scaleface wrote:Now, how about a story where Optimus almost dies and is rebuilt as Ultra Magnus?

Or a story where Magnus has very little connection to Prime at all.

Galvatron as his own bot seperate from Megatron? I'm a little undecided at the moment, i'll wait to see how it pans out before deciding. I am leaning towards it being a good idea though.

Considering that the toy line and the Dreamwave comics both seemed to be on the "Galvatron isn't Megatron" camp (at least that's whet they hinted at), it's not an original idea.

Personally, I like it as well. Its a refreshing take on the Galvatron/Megatron relationship, also I'm glad that for the first time since G1 Galvatron isn't simply a repaint of Megatron heh.

Plus I've always felt G1 Galvatron could have been a lot more badass and making him mad in the cartoon always felt like a cop out of sorts to me because they maybe didn't want him upstaging Megatron to much by being better.

So hey, lets make him crazy because crazy works!

Scaleface wrote:Now, how about a story where Optimus almost dies and is rebuilt as Ultra Magnus?

The first page of Optimus' Spotlight pretty much refutes this from ever happening.

I didn't mean in IDWverse.

Scaleface wrote:Considering that the toy line and the Dreamwave comics both seemed to be on the "Galvatron isn't Megatron" camp (at least that's whet they hinted at), it's not an original idea.

eh? Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't the toy Armada/Energon/Cybertron Galvatron come from Megatron?

No, the Dreamwave G1 Galvatron. They never gave an origin for him, but Scourge and Cyclonus were original characters, and so it follows that Galvatron was original too, if they had gotten to his origin. Galvatron's bio doesn't mention him being Megatron in the MTMTE series.

It's funny - for me Galvatron's origin will always be as Megatron upgraded by Unicron. While time travel is a head ache, there have been so many superb stories associated with this origin that it makes me think the original is still the best.

Think the original movie, Target 2006, Fallen Angel, and Time Wars plus all the smaller parts of that arc like Altered Image that happen between those big stories.

But, having said that - I am happy to go with the new IDW take on Galvatron. This is a new take on the story and I am just happy we are getting G1 Bots in a top line story again and I'm looking forward to seeing where it goes. The most important thing for me when it comes to Galvatron is that he is still one tough mutha and still very unpredictable.

Time travel I can follow easily so things like Target 2006 is no problem to follow, and makes things fun.

However

Because Galvatron is Megatron in the future, he can't fight him.

The way IDW is doing it, we can have a showdown between Megatron and Galvatron where both parties are going at it full force. A battle to the death. Which I really want to see.

Galvatron is still insanely powerful and a one man wrecking crew, which is the core of the character, so I'm fine with it.

Scaleface wrote:No, the Dreamwave G1 Galvatron. They never gave an origin for him, but Scourge and Cyclonus were original characters, and so it follows that Galvatron was original too, if they had gotten to his origin. Galvatron's bio doesn't mention him being Megatron in the MTMTE series.

while they were original characters, i thought there was a lot of foreshadowing for megatron being uprgraded. The movie recreation set up, the #0 dual covers with megatron going after earth in issue 10 as shown on the regular cover, and their various comics usually had rather parrellel plots going on. But, that would have been interesting, especially if a very confused megs conquered earth only to find cybertron taken in his absence.

I'll say this...

While G1 Galvatron did not share memories, or even personality with Megatron, I am forced to ask myself, "Self, would Galvatron be any less Galvatron if he weren't Megatron galvanized by Unicron as his acolyte?"

and then i say to myself... "Nay self! NAY!"

Personally If the TF movie was retconed into saying Megs died and Galvatron was a scan of his frame with the closest thing to a primus made spark that the TF god of destruction could 'create', based on the Slagmaker of Tarn of course, I'ld be all for it.

Say Megs was stassis locked in Unicron's head and G2 Megs could have arrived after rebirth given a TF/Joe toon cross over... but that's just fanwank

i like that their different beings

i like it

maybe because i dont like repaint like in the unicron trilogy:p

Scaleface wrote:No, the Dreamwave G1 Galvatron. They never gave an origin for him, but Scourge and Cyclonus were original characters, and so it follows that Galvatron was original too, if they had gotten to his origin. Galvatron's bio doesn't mention him being Megatron in the MTMTE series.

They might not have said it directly but they did hint at it as for Cyclonus.......I dont remember if he had a speeking part or if they called him by name so that could have been Armada.
Cut in the Marvel U.S. headmaster's comic book both Scourge and Cyclonus were original targetmasters with no conection to Unicron.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Scaleface wrote:No, the Dreamwave G1 Galvatron. They never gave an origin for him, but Scourge and Cyclonus were original characters, and so it follows that Galvatron was original too, if they had gotten to his origin. Galvatron's bio doesn't mention him being Megatron in the MTMTE series.

They might not have said it directly but they did hint at it as for Cyclonus.......I dont remember if he had a speeking part or if they called him by name so that could have been Armada.
Cut in the Marvel U.S. headmaster's comic book both Scourge and Cyclonus were original targetmasters with no conection to Unicron.

unless you read the UK comics, Cylconus and Scourge travelled through time after "Legacy of Unicron" and met up with Scorponok. After that the 4 part Headmaster series happens.

Stormwolf wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Scaleface wrote:No, the Dreamwave G1 Galvatron. They never gave an origin for him, but Scourge and Cyclonus were original characters, and so it follows that Galvatron was original too, if they had gotten to his origin. Galvatron's bio doesn't mention him being Megatron in the MTMTE series.

They might not have said it directly but they did hint at it as for Cyclonus.......I dont remember if he had a speeking part or if they called him by name so that could have been Armada.
Cut in the Marvel U.S. headmaster's comic book both Scourge and Cyclonus were original targetmasters with no conection to Unicron.

unless you read the UK comics, Cylconus and Scourge travelled through time after "Legacy of Unicron" and met up with Scorponok. After that the 4 part Headmaster series happens.

I knew that ...its why I specified the U.S. story.But I did like the UK stuff....at least they tried to close up some of the plot holes.

Honestly I'm not really into it to be honest as i loved the stories where you see a future of what some TFs will become, as such that future can have anything happen, like in the marvel days Target 2006 and Legacy of Unicron were a long way into the future....20 years in the future, a lot can happen between now and then so its easy to write with little consequence.

Well now here we are past 2006 and in Marvel UK timelines Headhunt (UK:133) should be taking place right about now, unless there were to right something where the movie and megatron being reformatted doesn't happen for another 10 years the only way to keep the core characters of prime and megatron etc is to write galvatron as an independant.

As much as i moan about loving how it was done back in the day, if IDW were to use the classic backstory then we would loose all the pre movie characters and i wouldn't love that either. So all in all i'm on the fence but i've been pleasantly surprised by IDW before and i'm sure i'll learn to love this new galvatron in time as well.