The Energon Pub

JetOptimus23 wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

JetOptimus23 wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

JetOptimus23 wrote:No. It's not. Of course, nothing can beat Energon in the crap factor, but G1 was horribly animated and full of plot holes, but so were other cartoons of the time. Beast Wars, Beast Machines, and Animated are all cut of a better quality cloth, but Energon and Armada are definatley inferior, so G1 is somewhere in the middle.

"G1 was horribly animated"...????

I'm sorry but I coul;dnt disagree with you more.

Granted the animation had its errors but compared to many other cartoons of the time G1 had some great animation.

Two words: Season Three.

Your last post refered to the series as a whole, and even season 3 , with all its flaws,had comparable animation to other shows of its time.

Point taken. maybe it wasn't HOrRIBLE, but it was flawed.

Thats better

Oh boy.another lame topic that needs no further explanation..

Well,OF COURSE G1 ROCKSSS!

Great characters are made alive with the emergence of it's legendary toys

Influential music & catchy music snips to always get you on your seat

Cartoon dialogues sounded so natural that you didn't even question their credibility

Heroism served at its best,notoriety displayed at its worst

best of all time and forever！

The G1 show gained an even more special place in my heart after I graduated from Animation school; I'm amazed at what those guys were able to pull off back then! No computers, hand drawing and hand painting all those complex characters! Animation programs have made the colouring process among other things relatively easier now, but just in imagining hand-painting hundreds of individual cells! It blows my mind.
The mistakes in the animation come from a few things, but mainly having to work fast, under a very strict deadline, and not being able to go back and fix things you missed in the process.
I'd mentioned this before in another thread, but in the biz, Deadline is god...meaning just that, deadline is everything! Whatever is done when the deadline is up is what get's put out. Period.
All the people who work in the biz are dedicated proffesionals, who take a lot of pride in their work. And indeed, all these people do see the mistakes they missed in the process afterward and wish they could fix them. I've been there myself, and it's gut-wrenching because you always want to put out your best.
Imagine having to make a nice 4-course dinner for 3 of your friends, and you've got about 30 minutes to do it. You rush to to get it done, and when you do, and serve it, you realize that you left something noticable out, or you forgot to set the spoons on the table, only you can't go back and get them. You have to move on.
That's a little like what it would have been like to work on weekly show in those days, or even now for a studio that is under-manned and over-worked. Indeed, there are not many cartoons from the 80s that didn't suffer from things like paint pops or missing heads etc. With Transformers, you're also talking about characters that are far more detailed to draw than something like a Smurf. So, as I said, given what I've learned, impressed is the only thing I feel when I watch a G1 episode.

Now, I'm not saying this to attack anyone's opinion. Rather, I figured it would be good to help shed some light on an issue that tends to confuse, and often leave a mistaken impression upon the casual cartoon fan.

Generation one is HILARIOUS!! all the lack of quality makes me laugh every 5 seconds, just coz of how bad it is (so i still like watching it). I did like the show after the animated movie though, not all episodes, but some were really cool. The rest of the shows were pretty meh except for some beast wars episodes and pretty much the first 5-6 episodes of Beast machines only. Botanica is the worst transformer character ever... it's like they wanted to appeal to kids who liked captain planet or somthing.

Ah i forgot animated, which has some not bad stories, actually, and just awesome sound effects, but yea, the art style bores me a fair bit, can't really enjoy much of the action... good thing for those sound effects.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Generation one is HILARIOUS!! all the lack of quality makes me laugh every 5 seconds, just coz of how bad it is (so i still like watching it). I did like the show after the animated movie though, not all episodes, but some were really cool. The rest of the shows were pretty meh except for some beast wars episodes and pretty much the first 5-6 episodes of Beast machines only. Botanica is the worst transformer character ever... it's like they wanted to appeal to kids who liked captain planet or somthing.

Ah i forgot animated, which has some not bad stories, actually, and just awesome sound effects, but yea, the art style bores me a fair bit, can't really enjoy much of the action... good thing for those sound effects.

WHOA WAIT! You mean... You LIKE Season 3?

hey man, spark a doobie and its all good, haha. I'm just into the whole introduction of other species and monsters of creation (like that episode with the cave and the worm with a robot teeth jaw that turned em all into zombies... and so on.). I Definitely don't really incorporate any of those stories into my TF universe TOO much, just bits and peices, as most of it was laughable or cheesy or wierd... but that appealed to my other side. Least it was different.. kinda like old STAR TREK to..say..Next Gen.

Burn wrote:Personally? No. It's not. The plots were bad, the animation errors were abundant, and it was nothing but a glorified ad to sell toys. This became more obvious when you had a well written and well animated series like Beast Wars hit the screens.

I was about to say yes but then you reminded me of Beast Wars and then....Animated.

No where near the best, but definitely likable.
Though my whole family had to laugh at the great "40 ft drive."

It's in the first episode of G1...


Personally I despsie the 86 movie, just really don't like it, only reason I watched it when I was little was because I heard Grimlock was in it.

zenosaurus_x wrote:

Burn wrote:Personally? No. It's not. The plots were bad, the animation errors were abundant, and it was nothing but a glorified ad to sell toys. This became more obvious when you had a well written and well animated series like Beast Wars hit the screens.

I was about to say yes but then you reminded me of Beast Wars and then....Animated.

No where near the best, but definitely likable.
Though my whole family had to laugh at the great "40 ft drive."

It's in the first episode of G1...


Personally I despsie the 86 movie, just really don't like it, only reason I watched it when I was little was because I heard Grimlock was in it.

Really?... i'd have to say the animated movie was one of the very best the Transformers have to offer... other than that, its the comics, and how they dealt with the subject matter in a more adult way. Beast Wars and Animated don't really hold a candle to the Animated 86 movie. Why?... one word.

Unicron

I think Unicron was about the only likable thing of the movie, besides Devastator being...durable.
And good old fashioned http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juc69G6F-q0
Quintesson justice.

zenosaurus_x wrote:I think Unicron was about the only likable thing of the movie, besides Devastator being...durable.
And good old fashioned http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juc69G6F-q0
Quintesson justice.

Yea the quintessons were sick, can't get enough of their perverse society and grotesque appearance, they should have their own offshoot in the comics or somthing, pushing around other alien species, maybe stories told by bots and aliens who've escaped their clutches. The TF universe has a ton of potential in other areas than the Autobots and Decepticons, need more lore!

Well, it depends. Some 90s young man think Movie is the orginal version and all toys SHOULD be like that, how do we explain? LOL

MidAge wrote:Well, it depends. Some 90s young man think Movie is the orginal version and all toys SHOULD be like that, how do we explain? LOL

What?

MidAge wrote:Well, it depends. Some 90s young man think Movie is the orginal version and all toys SHOULD be like that, how do we explain? LOL

This is when i would refer them to the animated movie, as well as the more awesome comics that feature those characters... Its too bad that the recent Movies would be their main interest in Transformers, its such a mush. All the random nameless decepticons that are too hard to make out what they really are unless they're clearly a clone of the same 'con in the previous movie.

In case you haven't seen already:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD2c9FHx ... re=related

Hey all, this is my first post. As a previous poster mentioned, I apologize if I offend anyone before hand. In my opinion, I agree with the original poster, but that is based personal preference and nostalgia.

That said, I did watch other series, and oddly, I liked Energon and Armada. I did not care for Animated, didn't care for the look of the characters, and I tried to watch Beast Wars several times, but for whatever reason, I was turned off by it. I am not sure why.

I don't feel as though any of the cartoons (any series) are crudely animated. I don't think the stories are terrible; I mean, they're marketed to children, so I don't expect adult oriented themes.

That said, yeah, I love the G1 cartoon. It is my first preference among all shows, and yes that preference is definitely influenced by nostalgia.

The toys, on the other hand, are another matter. I really think the toys they make now are far superior to the ones I played with as a kid (my opinion, not a fact). I loved those toys, but they don't look as nice (to me), nor do they have the range of movement toys today do. I love the new lines.

Just felt the need to show my G1 love, even though it might be my only posting here.

Welcome to the forum man, and i agree about the action figures for sure, such an evolution haha. Yea the G1 stories were for kids, but the imagination that went into them was cool, def got some wierd stuff in there hehe.

ScotusMagnus wrote:Hey all, this is my first post.

Welcome.....and.....

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