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I don't know if anyones posted anything like this B4,
but has anyone thought about what might happen to a transformer if he/she was blasted in mid transformation?

would it permanently mess up their transformation

or

what kind of internal damage would it do?

What's your thoughts?

Severe damage, i guess.

megaprime209 wrote:I don't know if anyones posted anything like this B4,
but has anyone thought about what might happen to a transformer if he/she was blasted in mid transformation?

would it permanently mess up their transformation

or

what kind of internal damage would it do?

What's your thoughts?

Im sure its happend somewhere in some medium. Wouldnt it just force them back into the first form? Or maybe they get sheilds up during transformation. In beast wars, it just stops the transformation.

Toyotus Superion wrote:

megaprime209 wrote:I don't know if anyones posted anything like this B4,
but has anyone thought about what might happen to a transformer if he/she was blasted in mid transformation?

would it permanently mess up their transformation

or

what kind of internal damage would it do?

What's your thoughts?

Im sure its happend somewhere in some medium. Wouldnt it just force them back into the first form? Or maybe they get sheilds up during transformation. In beast wars, it just stops the transformation.

Thats pretty much what happens. A bot get blasted mid transformation & they'll go back to whatever form they were in before transformation, they'll also take some internal systems damage & possibly be stuck in that mode unable to transform until moved into a critical repair unit. If they do get a transformation cog & can no longer transform they tend to get stuck in alt mode, for some reason I've never seen a transformer stuck in robot mode. The internal damage might be able to be repaired by their internal computer, but mostly its severe enough that it can only prevent it from getting worse, giving the bot enough time to get to a CR chamber (Beast Wars & beyond) or to Ratchet, Wheeljack, Perspector or one of the other medical bots.

Thats pretty much it.

I'd venture a guess that it would do massive damage to them. You have to remember, during transformation, internal components are exposed and prone to easy blaster access.

I'd say one well placed shot could probably kill an Autobot or Decepticon in this instance.

Autobot032 wrote:I'd say one well placed shot could probably kill an Autobot or Decepticon in this instance.

Perhaps.
So why didnt anyone try doing this to their enemies during battle? O.o

If TFs were more vulnerable whilst transforming, surely they wouldn't do it during battle?

Sledge wrote:If TFs were more vulnerable whilst transforming, surely they wouldn't do it during battle?

Most transform quite quickly, I would suspect that getting shot during transformation would be almost pure luck.

The exception is the movie, only Megatron and Starscream seemed to have any real speed in transforming...

Ironically, Optimus Prime is one of those Autobots with a slow transforming rate.

you cant shoot a transformer during mid-transformation its one of the biggest conventions in anime. No matter how long or ellaborate the transformation or combination all other participants of the battle must stand dumbfounded untill the sequence is complete.

otherwise its bad show old chap

That is the only explanation for how gestalts are battle-winning instruments of war, rather than fantastic target practice.

MegaDave wrote:you cant shoot a transformer during mid-transformation its one of the biggest conventions in anime. No matter how long or ellaborate the transformation or combination all other participants of the battle must stand dumbfounded untill the sequence is complete.

otherwise its bad show old chap

Actually, that would be the best time to strike. You'd have to be one incredible shot to do it, but it would be the best.

And screw dumbfounded Anime.

Sledge wrote:That is the only explanation for how gestalts are battle-winning instruments of war, rather than fantastic target practice.

Hmm... perhaps, but I think it would take one heavy blow to take out a gestalt while merging. A lucky pistol or rifle shot would probably just make the gestalt more angry when it finished.

Ah, that opens up another question: at what point do the component TFs become less susceptable to damage? Every gestalt can soak up gunfire that would level it's individual components.

Thanatos Prime wrote:

Sledge wrote:That is the only explanation for how gestalts are battle-winning instruments of war, rather than fantastic target practice.

Hmm... perhaps, but I think it would take one heavy blow to take out a gestalt while merging. A lucky pistol or rifle shot would probably just make the gestalt more angry when it finished.

"It would take one heavy blow to take out a gestalt while merging."
*Points to Transformers: the movie, 80's edition.*
Hello, Rumble & Frenzy take out Devastator by shaking him....

MegaDave wrote:you cant shoot a transformer during mid-transformation its one of the biggest conventions in anime. No matter how long or ellaborate the transformation or combination all other participants of the battle must stand dumbfounded untill the sequence is complete.

otherwise its bad show old chap

To attack during a Transformation, just aint Cricket!
Trunks attempted it in DBZ, and it failed dismally, who's to say it aint the same with all transformations?

Transformations are quick, and (discounting the 80's movie) Transformers have very bad shooting accuracy, and barely ever hit each when standing still in a line. How the hell are they going to manage while someone is transforming?

Attacking a Transformer while Transforming would probly just slow him down unless you were lucky enough to hit one of the exsposed internal bits that'd screw him/her up for life.

No one ever attacks while transforming though. Everyone stands around and does NOTHING while something Transforms.

How to kill a gestalt 101

Step 1: Attack idividual componants till they decide to merge. Keep your focus on a sigle componate enough to do some serious DMG before they combine and not so much as to let them know what you're doing.

Step 2: As they start to merge kill your focus point.

Step 3: Kill the gestalt while it trys to cope with having a missing limb.

Saber Prime wrote:Attacking a Transformer while Transforming would probly just slow him down unless you were lucky enough to hit one of the exsposed internal bits that'd screw him/her up for life.

No one ever attacks while transforming though. Everyone stands around and does NOTHING while something Transforms.

How to kill a gestalt 101

Step 1: Attack idividual componants till they decide to merge. Keep your focus on a sigle componate enough to do some serious DMG before they combine and not so much as to let them know what you're doing.

Step 2: As they start to merge kill your focus point.

Step 3: Kill the gestalt while it trys to cope with having a missing limb.

Or repeatedly hit the ground until it falls apart.... Yea, the more I talk about the original movie, the more disappointment I feel in it...

lol I would love to see one of them try it.

I think most of them transform very fast. But I imagine if they did get shot during it they would end up with some internal damage.

They become severaly damaged if it in mid transformation. Proof of this is in Double Jepardy where Rattrap faked being a pred. The sequence is where he's climbing back into his holding cell. Trantulas spotted him and was transforming when Rattrap shot him point blank. His body was damanged enought that it was burned.

Regarding shots in the G1 series, Wheeljack shot Megatron when he was trying to transform into the gun, and wound up wounding him enough that he toppled right over. *thinks* I know one or two autobots have been shot in mid transformation. Though they wind up getting thrown back.

As for the gestalt. I think you'd have to destroy each componet rather then just hit it in mid transformation. If you hit them, I think they would fall apart ala Rumble and Frenzy. Hummm something to think about.

Night Striker wrote:Regarding shots in the G1 series, Wheeljack shot Megatron when he was trying to transform into the gun, and wound up wounding him enough that he toppled right over. *thinks* I know one or two autobots have been shot in mid transformation. Though they wind up getting thrown back.

Which episodes are you thinking of? I can't think of the instances you mean off the top of my head

S.O.S Dinobots. I'm pretty sure that Megatron was going to transform when either Wheeljack or Ratchet hit him in the gut with a blast and he went down, and there was a lot of smoke.

Nope. Wheeljack hit Megs with a neuro inhibitor shell as Megs fires on the Dinobots. Episode on Youtube, about 2 minutes 40 seconds in.

Darn, I'm pretty sure there was an episode where a bot was transforming and got hit. I don't think the damage was as sever as Spiderboy's but it was shown. Just can't remember which one it was. *thinks*