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Loki God Of Mischief wrote:lol. Roleplayers.

Also there's already an evil Decepticon version of Hot Rod.

http://www.tfu.info/2001/Autobot/HotRodBlack/hotrod.htm

I want it badly, but it's very expensive.

I got that action figure but never really considered it to be a Decepticon incarnation of Hot Rod. You know, like a Nemesis Rodimus or something. I did however, consider putting Decepticon symbols on him though.

Anyways, to the topic. I grew up with G1 cartoons, and as a kid I never gave much thought to how well written the stories were. I just sat back and watched them enjoying the fights, character development (yes, there was character development), and just overall loving the Transformers. In my opinion kids who get wrapped up in how well a story is written are kids who are growing up too fast and becoming too critical. Just enjoy the story for what it is. Entertainment.
Hot Rod/Rodimus, I think personified the burdens of leadership and the responsibility of dealing with them when you are not a natural born leader. Optimus Prime was gifted with the ability to lead and so, the burdens were not so obvious. Both of them made mistakes and both of them learned from them. I think the decisions Rodimus had to make were harder because he was not naturally gifted with leadership. If you read his tech spec it tells you he was gifted as a military tactician. Not necessarily the same thing as being the overall leader for the Autobots.
I have to agree with Loki, in Hot Rod's place I don't think anyone else would have done any different in an attempt to keep Prime alive. Some of you may say you would do something different, something more logical, but how many have combat experience to prove they would have done dfferent? I certainly don't. I would have done the first thing my fight-or-flight mindset would tell me to do: engage Megatron to get his focus off Optimus. Optimus Prime was by far worth more to keep alive then some low-ranking turbo-roddin' young punk soldier.

arcee was not Hotrod's girl.
rodimus Prime was just there to lead circumstantially and had less of a burden then Optimus.
optimus has had to lead for millions of years fighting endlessly with the Decepticons, die and to be reborn again to take the burden again.

optimus also had a care free life and learned the hard way to become a leader when he was crippled by his first encounter with Megatrona dn his actual girlfriend Aerial was seriously injured by Megatron.


optimus Prime truly believed in the cause of his belief even if it was at the cost of his own life.

"megatron must be stopped no matter the cost"

Whoever blames Hot Rod for Prime's death needs to watch the movie again. Optimus clearly says "Get out of the way Hot Rod." But he couldn't follow that order because Megatron was putting him in a choke lock. Megatron used Prime's concern for his comrades against him. Optimus didn't fire his blaster because he wanted Hot Rod to be safe before blasting Megatron's spark. Megatron=cowardly idiot. Hot Rod= right move with wrong outcome

I also remember Kup saying something like "that's Prime's fight..." So if the brash, eager dipshit rookie had listened to the veteran maybe Prime would not have had to have been revived when sales plummeted. You wanna know how I know Rodimus is inferior. Hasbro HAD to resurrect Prime to continue the brand.

Dead Metal wrote:

Torino_Prime wrote:I am a little disappointed. I just lambasted the entire GEEWUN squad and no one ran to their defense. Except for one person claiming Wheeljack was drunk, not incompetent. I thought we had fans on this site...

BTW How many times did Ratchet revive Prime? Maybe, if Perceptor wasn't so incompetent Prime's wounds would not have been fatal. If Ratchet had not been KIA, then Prime MIGHT have survived. In fact, I am pretty sure he would have survived.

Anyway. I still can't believe no one sought to correct me on the Bumblebee pedophile thing. Oh well.

So are you saying you want to start a fight?
Watch it bro, if you don't respect other peoples opinions and want to start a flame war know this:
We will issue warnings where appropriate and warnings lead to bans.

Understood? Yes? Good.
While this post you made counts as baiting I will let you off the hook but only if you don't continue.

Thank you.

I didn't min either of them i prefered hot rod to rodimus though. When people blamed him for optimus death i agree that he made a split second decison. As for problems with his leadership i think optimus had problems and doubts when he first become prime though.

I didn't mind either rodimus or hot rod but i prefered hot rod though. he did make a split second descision which i think anyone would do the same. But when optimus first become prime he had problems and doubts to

opto28 wrote:Whoever blames Hot Rod for Prime's death needs to watch the movie again. Optimus clearly says "Get out of the way Hot Rod." But he couldn't follow that order because Megatron was putting him in a choke lock. Megatron used Prime's concern for his comrades against him. Optimus didn't fire his blaster because he wanted Hot Rod to be safe before blasting Megatron's spark. Megatron=cowardly idiot. Hot Rod= right move with wrong outcome

That's right, Optimus' biggest weakness was his compassion for all life. So it is fitting that's how he got done in. Also, a good way to make a less perfect leader in Rodimus.

Or Hot Rod should have had more faith in Optimus.

By jumping in to "save" Optimus Hot Rod was practically saying he didn't have faith in his leader. If Megatron had gotten the gun, I have no doubt that Optimus would have been able to dodge or even handle a shot or two. The only reason Megatron was able to shoot Optimus was because Prime was hesitating due to Hot Rod's interference.

So yes, it is all Hot Rod's fault.

GetterDragun wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Torino_Prime wrote:I am a little disappointed. I just lambasted the entire GEEWUN squad and no one ran to their defense. Except for one person claiming Wheeljack was drunk, not incompetent. I thought we had fans on this site...

BTW How many times did Ratchet revive Prime? Maybe, if Perceptor wasn't so incompetent Prime's wounds would not have been fatal. If Ratchet had not been KIA, then Prime MIGHT have survived. In fact, I am pretty sure he would have survived.

Anyway. I still can't believe no one sought to correct me on the Bumblebee pedophile thing. Oh well.

So are you saying you want to start a fight?
Watch it bro, if you don't respect other peoples opinions and want to start a flame war know this:
We will issue warnings where appropriate and warnings lead to bans.

Understood? Yes? Good.
While this post you made counts as baiting I will let you off the hook but only if you don't continue.

Overruled. That wasn't flamebaiting.

Agreed. From now on if there is some question please get a moderator or myself involved instead of jumping in head first.

Torino_Prime wrote:I don't nees your warning... they were jokes as was the last post. As is every post. Don't take yourself too seriously. And I could care less what you do to me with your powers. I was just noting that NO ONW came to these characters defense. Almost as if people couldn't argue the point. Again relax.

Even though there is no fault if a moderator attempts to correct someone on a possible rule violation you do not respond like this. If you have any concerns PM me and I will look into it.

Burn wrote:Or Hot Rod should have had more faith in Optimus.

By jumping in to "save" Optimus Hot Rod was practically saying he didn't have faith in his leader. If Megatron had gotten the gun, I have no doubt that Optimus would have been able to dodge or even handle a shot or two. The only reason Megatron was able to shoot Optimus was because Prime was hesitating due to Hot Rod's interference.

So yes, it is all Hot Rod's fault.

Definitely. It took Megatron about two-three seconds to even get the gun. Hot Rod hangs back, Prime fires and the Great War ends.

Burn wrote:Or Hot Rod should have had more faith in Optimus.

By jumping in to "save" Optimus Hot Rod was practically saying he didn't have faith in his leader. If Megatron had gotten the gun, I have no doubt that Optimus would have been able to dodge or even handle a shot or two. The only reason Megatron was able to shoot Optimus was because Prime was hesitating due to Hot Rod's interference.

So yes, it is all Hot Rod's fault.

Handle a shot or two? Bursny what movie were you watching bro? Optimus did get shot twice by Megatron. And he barely had enough energy left for a double axe handle uppercut. That was knowing the shots were coming. If Megatron had shot him by surprise he would have easily been able to hit him 3+ times. Most likely enough to outright kill Prime. Prime was the wounded one, Megatron was just beaten badly until he took a three story drop. Both had beat each other, but Megatron gutted Prime twice. Once with a laser dagger and once with a metal shard.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:

Burn wrote:Or Hot Rod should have had more faith in Optimus.

By jumping in to "save" Optimus Hot Rod was practically saying he didn't have faith in his leader. If Megatron had gotten the gun, I have no doubt that Optimus would have been able to dodge or even handle a shot or two. The only reason Megatron was able to shoot Optimus was because Prime was hesitating due to Hot Rod's interference.

So yes, it is all Hot Rod's fault.

Definitely. It took Megatron about two-three seconds to even get the gun. Hot Rod hangs back, Prime fires and the Great War ends.

You both need to watch that scene again. Megatron was inching towards the gun because he knew if he rabbitted towards it Prime would know something was up. It looked like Megatron was crawling towards Prime to beg for mercy to Optimus. Megatron turns into a gun, I'm assuming he knows how to quick draw. Which is the ability to pull a gun and fire it at a target and be able to hit it. Odds are that's what Megatron was trying to do when he grabbed the gun. If you notice the gun was traveling up when Hot Rod tackled him.

Megatron would have fired the gun when he brought it up. A surprise shot that would have landed. Followed by him glancing down the barrel and rapid fire shooting Prime. He did pretty much the same thing once he got Hot Rod in a sideheadlock. Prime saw those shots coming and he still couldn't get out of the way. Debate it however you want, but if Prime couldn't dodge shots he saw coming, there's no way he could dodge ones he didn't know were coming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBUAG6Gy-to

As we now know from RotF Prime will shoot unarmed combatants. Prime was armed at the time he was shot by the concealed blaster. He takes anywhere from 3 to five shots depending on how you interpret the blaster sound effects and animation. He didn't take his shot because of Hot Rod. Good intentions aside, if Hot Rod did not interfere Prime would have taken the shot and felt guilty later. Instead Hot Rod is used as a shield and the rest is history.

If you want to blame Prime for anything blame him for running his mouth when he should have been finishing Megs off!!!

Torino_Prime wrote:As we now know from RotF Prime will shoot unarmed combatants. Prime was armed at the time he was shot by the concealed blaster. He takes anywhere from 3 to five shots depending on how you interpret the blaster sound effects and animation. He didn't take his shot because of Hot Rod. Good intentions aside, if Hot Rod did not interfere Prime would have taken the shot and felt guilty later. Instead Hot Rod is used as a shield and the rest is history.

If you want to blame Prime for anything blame him for running his mouth when he should have been finishing Megs off!!!

Live Action Movie Prime =/= G1 Prime.

Also that was deus ex machina for the plot. See the Season 1 or 2 episode where the exact thing happens to Cliffjumper (some enemy has him down because Cliffjumper rushed it) and Prime just shoots the enemy while it's rolling around with Cliffjumper.

My biggest gripe with the Hot Rod / Rodimus controversy is with the Matrix.

I can understand why Rodimus gave it back to Optimus, but it was essentially a retcon to explain why Hasbro released an action master Hot Rod toy.

First off, it makes no sense that Rodimus would revert to Hot Rod just because he removed the Matrix. Hot Rod became Rodimus without actually putting the Matrix inside his chest...and it's not like Optimus suddenly reverts to Orion Pax every time he loses the Matrix.

Secondly, if I were Optimus Prime, I would want to have a Rodimus to back me up, not Hot Rod. Why not have two super-powerful Autobot leaders on the team?

I suppose the Hot Rod to Rodimus Prime conversion was supposed to represent a kind of coming of age in the movie. In a way, it was a commentary on the movie itself -- which took a fairly carefree children's franchise, and instantaneously converted it into a gritty, mature war narrative.

It was also parallel to the origin story of Liono from Thundercats, who had the mind of a child in the body of a superhero. Or maybe the movie Big would be a better example...of the teenage boy waking up in a full-grown body...

Maybe I should just stop typing now...