The Energon Pub

by **AUTOBOT STITH** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:58 pm

How many TF dragons du you know?

by **Decatron** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:07 pm

I only know Doublecross

by **AUTOBOT STITH** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:14 pm

Well there Scerge or what ever his name is.I forget.

by **Tramp** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:16 pm

There's Doublecross, Hungurr, Sinnertwin, Beast Wars Megatron, Deathsausus, Beast Machines Megarton (same character just upgraded), RID Megatron Cybertron Scourge, and Classics minicon Nightscream.

by **AUTOBOT STITH** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:23 pm

Just wondering cuz my FanFic character is a dragon.

News Credits: 1 · by **Saber Prime** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:32 am

Tramp wrote:There's Doublecross, Hungurr, Sinnertwin, Beast Wars Megatron, Deathsausus, Beast Machines Megarton (same character just upgraded), RID Megatron Cybertron Scourge, and Classics minicon Nightscream.

You forgot BW2 Galvatron, RID Galvatron (same as RID Megatron just different coloring and 4 extra modes), and Bease Machines Nobal/Savage.

BTW Sinnertwin is not a Dragon. He's a 2 headed sabertooth tiger. Dragons are reptiles not felines.

by **Tramp** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:49 am

Saber Prime wrote:
Tramp wrote:There's Doublecross, Hungurr, Sinnertwin, Beast Wars Megatron, Deathsausus, Beast Machines Megarton (same character just upgraded), RID Megatron Cybertron Scourge, and Classics minicon Nightscream.
You forgot BW2 Galvatron, RID Galvatron (same as RID Megatron just different coloring and 4 extra modes), and Bease Machines Nobal/Savage.

BTW Sinnertwin is not a Dragon. He's a 2 headed sabertooth tiger. Dragons are reptiles not felines.

According to MtMtE #7, Sinnertwin is a two-headed dragon. Each of his beast mode heads can breathe fire as well. He is not a feline, he is a reptile—a dragon. He doesn't even have external ears. He has two horns on each of his snouts, and claw-like spurs on his heels. I haven't seen BW 2 Galvatron's alternate mode. As for Noble/Savage, I'm not really sure what he is. He's more of a chimera than anything else, a grotesque beast made up of parts from multiple animals. His "Dragon" mode, is actually more of a wyvern, not a true dragon.

News Credits: 1 · by **Windracer** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:03 am

@ Tramp: BWII Galvatron

There's also RID Cryotek, Botcon Deathsaurus, Cybertron Cryo Scourge... Legends of Cybertron Scourge and LOC Classics Trypticon, Mickey D's Beast Machines Megatron...

Though for Noble Savage, I still think that second mode is a Dragon. But that again hinges on wether or not you consider Wyverns to be dragons, but I digress.

I actually have to agree about Sinnertwin, though. He's definitely more of a dragon than any kind of 2 headed, 2 tailed sabretooth tiger...

by **Tramp** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:08 am

Windracer wrote:@ Tramp: BWII Galvatron

There's also RID Cryotek, Botcon Deathsaurus, Cybertron Cryo Scourge... Legends of Cybertron Scourge and LOC Classics Trypticon, Mickey D's Beast Machines Megatron...

Though for Noble Savage, I still think that second mode is a Dragon. But that again hinges on wether or not you consider Wyverns to be dragons, but I digress.

I actually have to agree about Sinnertwin, though. He's definitely more of a dragon than any kind of 2 headed, 2 tailed sabretooth tiger...

Well, I'm talking characters, not toys, and that is also, I believe, what Autobot Stith was asking about. So, LoC Scourge is still Cybertron Scourge. As for Wyvers, technically, though related to dragons, they aren't true dragons. Wyverns only have two legs, they also have sharp, nasty tails, (usually scorpion talis), and don't breathe fire.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:31 am

Saber Prime wrote:
Tramp wrote:
BTW Sinnertwin is not a Dragon. He's a 2 headed sabertooth tiger. Dragons are reptiles not felines.

WHAT!!!!!!!Where did you get that idea???????????I'm just want to know. :-?

by **Toyotus Superion** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:33 am

Tramp wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:
Tramp wrote:There's Doublecross, Hungurr, Sinnertwin, Beast Wars Megatron, Deathsausus, Beast Machines Megarton (same character just upgraded), RID Megatron Cybertron Scourge, and Classics minicon Nightscream.
You forgot BW2 Galvatron, RID Galvatron (same as RID Megatron just different coloring and 4 extra modes), and Bease Machines Nobal/Savage.

BTW Sinnertwin is not a Dragon. He's a 2 headed sabertooth tiger. Dragons are reptiles not felines.
According to MtMtE #7, Sinnertwin is a two-headed dragon. Each of his beast mode heads can breathe fire as well. He is not a feline, he is a reptile—a dragon. He doesn't even have external ears. He has two horns on each of his snouts, and claw-like spurs on his heels. I haven't seen BW 2 Galvatron's alternate mode. As for Noble/Savage, I'm not really sure what he is. He's more of a chimera than anything else, a grotesque beast made up of parts from multiple animals. His "Dragon" mode, is actually more of a wyvern, not a true dragon.

Wyvern are part of the dragon family acording to the "dragonology" books.

by **Bun-Bun** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:42 am

I know Hungrrr.

Me and him iz tyte yo.

News Credits: 2 · by **Insurgent** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:45 am

I wouldn't say Deathsaurus is a dragon. He doesn't breath fire and resembles a bird more than a reptile. He even has a beak. And two legs.

If we are counting fanfic characters as well, then throw in my Stunshock.

by **ThunderThruster** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:19 am

i'd definatly agree that Sinnertwin is a dragon!

News Credits: 1 · by **Windracer** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:38 am

Well if we're talking about characters, Tramp, several of the ones I've mentioned have appeared in comics or official stories. Botcon Deathsaurus, for example, never saw cartoon form, but was featured in the Descent Into Evil comic. Classics Minicon Nightscream was never in any cartoon, but he was in a Collector's Club exclusive story if memory serves. BWII Galvatron, he's been in a cartoon, I just didn't have any of his screencaps handy. I'm sure if you poke around you'd find some images somewhere...

Insurgent wrote:I wouldn't say Deathsaurus is a dragon. He doesn't breath fire and resembles a bird more than a reptile. He even has a beak. And two legs.

If we are counting fanfic characters as well, then throw in my Stunshock.

What the heck kind of bird would Deszaras possibly be? O_o; He definitely looks more like a dragon to me... Four limbs (short upper arms + his legs), a reptillian like tail... And also, not all dragons breathe fire, that's just the stereotype. Some breathe toxic gasses, ice, or have no breath weapon at all.

As for dragon fancharacters, hee hee, I've got six that all turn into some sort of dragon: Windracer, Raider, Raindance, Snowfire, Blaze, and Alcatraz.

Well, seven, if you count Timecharge, but he's more of a gag/joke than anything...

What can I say, Dragon Transformers kick ass.

News Credits: 2 · by **Insurgent** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:00 am

Windracer wrote:
Insurgent wrote:I wouldn't say Deathsaurus is a dragon. He doesn't breath fire and resembles a bird more than a reptile. He even has a beak. And two legs.

If we are counting fanfic characters as well, then throw in my Stunshock.

What the heck kind of bird would Deszaras possibly be? O_o; He definitely looks more like a dragon to me... Four limbs (short upper arms + his legs), a reptillian like tail... And also, not all dragons breathe fire, that's just the stereotype. Some breathe toxic gasses, ice, or have no breath weapon at all.

I didn't say he looked like a proper bird, but he looks more birdlike to me than dragonlike. Perhaps a kind of griffon. Do dragons have beaks? Deathsaurus does. I can't find a pic of his alt mode, although checking the Vector Sigma Database, it says he transforms into a 'bird-like dragon'. Not really helpful in this case.

I guess there is no evidence to dispute either way, he has traits of both.

by **rikrok** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:28 am

ThunderThruster wrote:i'd definatly agree that Sinnertwin is a dragon!

If not a dragon, but some kind of hydra.

News Credits: 1 · by **Saber Prime** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:45 pm

BW2 Galvatron

And Nobal is a Humanoid wolf. There is no mixture of differet parts and he is definatly not a Chimera.

http://www.wildlife-fantasy.com/artwork/chimera.php

As far as I know, there is no Transformer that even remotly resembles a Chimera. I found a few different versions of the Chimera. They were all 3 headed mixed animals like that one with the main body being a lion but can't seem to make up their minds what the other 2 heads are.

Savage is a Mutant Dragon.

http://www.bwtf.com/bm/tvshow/characters/savagenoble/

by **Tramp** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:54 pm

I wasn't talking about the moster from Greek Mythology anyway, rather As defined as a monster made from a mix of different animals. I know all about "The Chimera" (captial C), I was refering to a chimera, not The Chimera. Ever watch Full Metal Alchamist? :grin:

News Credits: 1 · by **Duke of Luns** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:06 pm

Insurgent wrote:
Windracer wrote:
Insurgent wrote:I wouldn't say Deathsaurus is a dragon. He doesn't breath fire and resembles a bird more than a reptile. He even has a beak. And two legs.

If we are counting fanfic characters as well, then throw in my Stunshock.

What the heck kind of bird would Deszaras possibly be? O_o; He definitely looks more like a dragon to me... Four limbs (short upper arms + his legs), a reptillian like tail... And also, not all dragons breathe fire, that's just the stereotype. Some breathe toxic gasses, ice, or have no breath weapon at all.

I didn't say he looked like a proper bird, but he looks more birdlike to me than dragonlike. Perhaps a kind of griffon. Do dragons have beaks? Deathsaurus does. I can't find a pic of his alt mode, although checking the Vector Sigma Database, it says he transforms into a 'bird-like dragon'. Not really helpful in this case.

I guess there is no evidence to dispute either way, he has traits of both.

I remember reading in one post sometime ago that Deathsaurus was more of a "kaiju-bird monster like", and I guess he does bear some resemblence to Gigan(though not that much):

In another thread Cindersaur was cited as being a dragon:

http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/06/r_deszaras037.jpg

Thus his repaint Guzzle would be on the list as well(from Masterforce):

http://www.tfu.info/1988/Destron/Guzzle/guzzle.htm

And Wreckloose is a Komodo Dragon....with a hat:

And you know what? Sinnertwin does look like a dragon to me too.

News Credits: 1 · by **Saber Prime** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:54 pm

Tramp wrote:I wasn't talking about the moster from Greek Mythology anyway, rather As defined as a monster made from a mix of different animals. I know all about "The Chimera" (captial C), I was refering to a chimera, not The Chimera. Ever watch Full Metal Alchamist?

What in the Hades are you babbleing on about?

Seriously I have no idea what you're talking about.

by **Ramrider** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:06 pm

Saber Prime wrote:
Tramp wrote:I wasn't talking about the moster from Greek Mythology anyway, rather As defined as a monster made from a mix of different animals. I know all about "The Chimera" (captial C), I was refering to a chimera, not The Chimera. Ever watch Full Metal Alchamist?
What in the Hades are you babbleing on about?

Seriously I have no idea what you're talking about.

He's saying that he wasn't referring to the Greek mythological Chimaera (usually, if I recall, a mix of lion, goat, and either snake or scorpion), which you took him to mean, but to a chimaera, generally considered to be a creature with characteristics of multiple animals. Even the likes of tigons and ligers are chimaera.

by **Thanatos Prime** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:03 pm

Ramrider wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:
Tramp wrote:I wasn't talking about the moster from Greek Mythology anyway, rather As defined as a monster made from a mix of different animals. I know all about "The Chimera" (captial C), I was refering to a chimera, not The Chimera. Ever watch Full Metal Alchamist?
What in the Hades are you babbleing on about?

Seriously I have no idea what you're talking about.

He's saying that he wasn't referring to the Greek mythological Chimaera (usually, if I recall, a mix of lion, goat, and either snake or scorpion), which you took him to mean, but to a chimaera, generally considered to be a creature with characteristics of multiple animals. Even the likes of tigons and ligers are chimaera.

In biology, a chimera is any animal with another animal's DNA somewhere within it. This is usually achieved through recombinant DNA processes.

If anyone doesn't know what recombinant DNA is, google it!!

News Credits: 1 · by **Saber Prime** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:56 pm

Ramrider wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:
Tramp wrote:I wasn't talking about the moster from Greek Mythology anyway, rather As defined as a monster made from a mix of different animals. I know all about "The Chimera" (captial C), I was refering to a chimera, not The Chimera. Ever watch Full Metal Alchamist?
What in the Hades are you babbleing on about?

Seriously I have no idea what you're talking about.

He's saying that he wasn't referring to the Greek mythological Chimaera (usually, if I recall, a mix of lion, goat, and either snake or scorpion), which you took him to mean, but to a chimaera, generally considered to be a creature with characteristics of multiple animals. Even the likes of tigons and ligers are chimaera.

You aren't making a lick of sense.

A Chimera in either definition you're giving me is still a mix of animals so I'm not understanding what the difference is.

I ran a search on Chimeras and a Chimera can be anything that has the main body and head of a lion. The other mixed in parts were different in every single picture I found, only the Lion part remained consistant.

Actully Magnaboss could be considered a Chimera. He does have a lion that forms part of his body.

Nobal however has no mixed animal parts and is definatly not a lion. He's just a verry odd colored wolf man. He's more like the answer to "What if a smirph got bit or scratched by a ware wolf?"

Oh allso, I just ran a search on Manticores. It's another lion based mythical creature and that would be the one you were thinking of with a Scorpion tail.

Every Manticore picture that poped up unlike the Chimera was the same. A winged lion with a scorpion tail.

http://msxml.excite.com/info.xcite/sear ... /Manticore

I gotta put a warning on that link. There was allso a porn image that came up from the "Manticore" search. Not sure how that came up but might not wanna click that link.

http://msxml.excite.com/info.xcite/sear ... /-/417/top

Anyway there you go in case you wanna see the Chimeras and Manticores.

by **Tramp** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:02 pm

A chimera doesn't have to have a lion's body, or any part of a, lion for thgat matter, just a mix of different animals. Technically, the Minotaur and Pegasus are chimeras, as is the griffon.