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I read the interview with the writers, Kurtzman and Orci and one of the questions inspired this idea..

Is there any size shifting? We see the Cube transform and shrink in size -- does Frenzy do something similar when he transforms into Mikaela's phone?
We didn't want Mass shifting for the TF's -- only for the Allspark. His head seems bigger than it is because of the shape, but it folds nicely into a phone size.

First off, I believe Megatron will be back in one way or another (in a different earth form?). One clue is he was simply discarded in the ocean (will the decepticons set up base underwater like the cartoons? Hmm...). If the writers go back on what they said.. Perhaps when Megatron was "killed" by the allspark he was endowed with its mass-shifting capabilities. So, when he appears in part II, he can easily adopt the gun as an earth form. What do you guys think? It's actually more of an explanation than the original series ever gave, if any.

Frankly Megatron as a hand gun is a stupid idea to begin with.

Any time he transformed he had to rely on someone to use him.

Plus there's the whole gun laws thing that plague a few countries.

Megatron, just stay dead. You've had your run now let's see a TF story without you (and preferably without Optimus as well) in it.

Saboteur wrote:I read the interview with the writers, Kurtzman and Orci and one of the questions inspired this idea..

Is there any size shifting? We see the Cube transform and shrink in size -- does Frenzy do something similar when he transforms into Mikaela's phone?
We didn't want Mass shifting for the TF's -- only for the Allspark. His head seems bigger than it is because of the shape, but it folds nicely into a phone size.

First off, I believe Megatron will be back in one way or another (in a different earth form?). One clue is he was simply discarded in the ocean (will the decepticons set up base underwater like the cartoons? Hmm...). If the writers go back on what they said.. Perhaps when Megatron was "killed" by the allspark he was endowed with its mass-shifting capabilities. So, when he appears in part II, he can easily adopt the gun as an earth form. What do you guys think? It's actually more of an explanation than the original series ever gave, if any.

hmm....

...I do believe you are onto something here.....

That would be a pretty reasonable explaination, but still I have a feeling that they would probably be worried about a 30-50ft robot turning into a human sized handgun...or even a giant robot-sized handgun since they eliminated the need for sidearm with all the transforming arm cannons.

I would almost guess that Hasbro would probably try to push for something similar to Wreckage as a remake of Megs. But then again, Bay may decide something totally off-the-wall just because he thinks it's cool. Like flame designs on the wrong Prime.

That would be awsome. THey could stick him in an energon cage while he is in gun mode and keep him as a pet.

I don't really see Megatron coming back as a gun, as much as I would love the idea though.
First of all is the mass shifting idea. Obviously, he'd be a large gun. Big enough for a Transformer to wield. He won't be for a human cause they aren't going to have him grow to Transformer size.
The problem with this is it gives him limited ability when he transforms. Is he gonna transform and fall to the ground when no one is able to pick him up? Unlike Prime or Starscream which can transform and use their other mode to fight or flee.
The other problem is the gun angle. If they make him a gun in the movie it will hurt toy sales. Why do you think toy guns aren't that prevalent in toy stores like they used to anymore? Parental gruops might be all over it while in some states even the sale of toy guns is highly regulated.

Now Megatron as a large-type cannon? That has potential!

How can Megatron be a hand-gun in the TF movies?

If you dream it!

Megatron is never going to be a hand-gun ever again. (Note: that Nerf gun is not a hand-gun)

I'm shocked now that the G1 creators and toy distributors were able to have G1 Megatron stay as a hand-gun back in the 80s, but it will never be allowed to happen again ever.

Predaprince wrote:I'm shocked now that the G1 creators and toy distributors were able to have G1 Megatron stay as a hand-gun back in the 80s, but it will never be allowed to happen again ever.

Back then toy hanguns were okay. Even back then one of the most popular toy guns out were Entertech water guns which were so realistic looking(I should know, I still have a few of them!).
But it wasn't until the 90's that states started to regulate toy guns and banned the sales of ones that looked real after a number of incidents where cops mistook toy ones for real ones. By law, toy guns have to be painted in bright colors so people know they are toys.
In fact at the Big Bad Toy Store website they were selling the Megatron re-issue but changed the cannon tip color only for US shipments to abide by US laws.

I don't understand why people want him to be a gun outside of G1 influence.

What is so appealing about a handgun that turns into a robot? Seriously? The cool factor just isn't there after the novelty wears off, and with no nostalgia behind it to push it, it's just kinda pointless.

So again, I ask, why does anyone want him to be gun? Period.

Autobot032 wrote:I don't understand why people want him to be a gun outside of G1 influence.

What is so appealing about a handgun that turns into a robot? Seriously? The cool factor just isn't there after the novelty wears off, and with no nostalgia behind it to push it, it's just kinda pointless.

So again, I ask, why does anyone want him to be gun? Period.

My guess would be the badass arm cannon he had. There has never been a better excuse for him to have one other than a scope on a handgun. I mean, not even Galvatron's arm cannon was so badass. Too orange, & mounted in the wrong place.

Saboteur wrote:I read the interview with the writers, Kurtzman and Orci and one of the questions inspired this idea..

Is there any size shifting? We see the Cube transform and shrink in size -- does Frenzy do something similar when he transforms into Mikaela's phone?
We didn't want Mass shifting for the TF's -- only for the Allspark. His head seems bigger than it is because of the shape, but it folds nicely into a phone size.

First off, I believe Megatron will be back in one way or another (in a different earth form?). One clue is he was simply discarded in the ocean (will the decepticons set up base underwater like the cartoons? Hmm...). If the writers go back on what they said.. Perhaps when Megatron was "killed" by the allspark he was endowed with its mass-shifting capabilities. So, when he appears in part II, he can easily adopt the gun as an earth form. What do you guys think? It's actually more of an explanation than the original series ever gave, if any.

No.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:I don't understand why people want him to be a gun outside of G1 influence.

What is so appealing about a handgun that turns into a robot? Seriously? The cool factor just isn't there after the novelty wears off, and with no nostalgia behind it to push it, it's just kinda pointless.

So again, I ask, why does anyone want him to be gun? Period.

My guess would be the badass arm cannon he had. There has never been a better excuse for him to have one other than a scope on a handgun. I mean, not even Galvatron's arm cannon was so badass. Too orange, & mounted in the wrong place.

If that's truly it, then that's completely pathetic. They could come up with a kick ass arm mounted cannon that would rip G1 Megatron to shreds and still be warm enough to fry burgers on for the rest of the day.

Odds are, the handgun mode is out for the movieverse. If they were going to do it, they would have done it for the first one.

Honestly, I never liked the fact that Megatron became a gun to begin with. It's a useless form without someone else to wield it, which I'm sure Megatron wouldn't like. Besides, a tank or jet form is way cooler to a kid. (I will admit that I don't care for most of Megatron's tank renditions; either they have no flexibility or they are... busty, to say the least.)

Autobot032 wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:I don't understand why people want him to be a gun outside of G1 influence.

What is so appealing about a handgun that turns into a robot? Seriously? The cool factor just isn't there after the novelty wears off, and with no nostalgia behind it to push it, it's just kinda pointless.

So again, I ask, why does anyone want him to be gun? Period.

My guess would be the badass arm cannon he had. There has never been a better excuse for him to have one other than a scope on a handgun. I mean, not even Galvatron's arm cannon was so badass. Too orange, & mounted in the wrong place.

If that's truly it, then that's completely pathetic. They could come up with a kick ass arm mounted cannon that would rip G1 Megatron to shreds and still be warm enough to fry burgers on for the rest of the day.

Yeah, I know...the problem is that they haven't. Personally, I thought the cockpit part of Megs' cybertronian form would have made a kick-ass arm cannon....but they never did it.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:I don't understand why people want him to be a gun outside of G1 influence.

What is so appealing about a handgun that turns into a robot? Seriously? The cool factor just isn't there after the novelty wears off, and with no nostalgia behind it to push it, it's just kinda pointless.

So again, I ask, why does anyone want him to be gun? Period.

My guess would be the badass arm cannon he had. There has never been a better excuse for him to have one other than a scope on a handgun. I mean, not even Galvatron's arm cannon was so badass. Too orange, & mounted in the wrong place.

If that's truly it, then that's completely pathetic. They could come up with a kick ass arm mounted cannon that would rip G1 Megatron to shreds and still be warm enough to fry burgers on for the rest of the day.

Yeah, I know...the problem is that they haven't. Personally, I thought the cockpit part of Megs' cybertronian form would have made a kick-ass arm cannon....but they never did it.

I dunno. His new cannon seems pretty kick ass. I mean, it did send Prime into the side of a building, and in quite a bit of pain I might add.

Burn wrote:Frankly Megatron as a hand gun is a stupid idea to begin with.

Any time he transformed he had to rely on someone to use him.

Plus there's the whole gun laws thing that plague a few countries.

Megatron, just stay dead. You've had your run now let's see a TF story without you (and preferably without Optimus as well) in it.

I agree that Megatron as a gun wan't all that great of an idea, but since the cartoon was for a toy line, then that is why they did it.

I could see then going on without Megatron, there is other powerful Decepticons out there. I don't see them going on without Optimus Prime. There was such a backlash when they killed off Prime in the movie before I doubt they will make that mistake again. Too popular of a character to go on without.

I don't know if anyone else has realized it, but Megatron wasn't as useless as gun as people popularly conceive. In both the cartoon and comic continuities there were instances of Megatron firing himself without someone pulling his trigger (in fact when Joey Slick was in control of Megatron, the trigger didn't even work). So when a Decepticon held Megatron, all they were really doing was providing a little extra aim so Megatron could fire himself (though I suppose they could also make him fire by pulling his trigger).

http://www.seibertron.com/cartoons/image.php?image_id=4873

ScorpoMax wrote:I don't know if anyone else has realized it, but Megatron wasn't as useless as gun as people popularly conceive. In both the cartoon and comic continuities there were instances of Megatron firing himself without someone pulling his trigger (in fact when Joey Slick was in control of Megatron, the trigger didn't even work). So when a Decepticon held Megatron, all they were really doing was providing a little extra aim so Megatron could fire himself (though I suppose they could also make him fire by pulling his trigger).

http://www.seibertron.com/cartoons/image.php?image_id=4873

Yes, we know that he can fire himself, but he needs to be held up by someone.

Shockwave, on the other hand, can fly and float while in gun mode without having to be held.

Actually Megatron didn't even need that in the comics. There was that crossover with GI Joe that bridged G1 and G2 where G1 Megs was flying around as a gun blasting away at Destro's castle. In fact, the only times in the comic where you see someone else wielding Megatron are when that someone needs Megatron to threaten other people.

In any case, even if there is a written rule in the cartoon that Megatron needs someone to wield, there no reason why it has to be that way in the movie. An agile little gun flying around blasting everything in sight could be quite deadly and almost unstoppable when you stop think about it.

Autobot032 wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:I don't understand why people want him to be a gun outside of G1 influence.

What is so appealing about a handgun that turns into a robot? Seriously? The cool factor just isn't there after the novelty wears off, and with no nostalgia behind it to push it, it's just kinda pointless.

So again, I ask, why does anyone want him to be gun? Period.

My guess would be the badass arm cannon he had. There has never been a better excuse for him to have one other than a scope on a handgun. I mean, not even Galvatron's arm cannon was so badass. Too orange, & mounted in the wrong place.

If that's truly it, then that's completely pathetic. They could come up with a kick ass arm mounted cannon that would rip G1 Megatron to shreds and still be warm enough to fry burgers on for the rest of the day.

Yeah, I know...the problem is that they haven't. Personally, I thought the cockpit part of Megs' cybertronian form would have made a kick-ass arm cannon....but they never did it.

I dunno. His new cannon seems pretty kick ass. I mean, it did send Prime into the side of a building, and in quite a bit of pain I might add.

Yeah, true...they did give his gun the necessary kick it needed, but imagine the intimidation if the autobots knew it could do that & was in plain sight every time you saw Megs...

...It's like I've said in several other threads, which would be more intimidating....a pissed-off looking guy rapmaging down the street with a concealed sawed-off shotgun, or a pissed-off looking guy rampaging down the street with a bazooka slung over his shoulder? I mean sure, both can do damage....but with the bazooka you know what's coming, which gives you more time to start sh*tting your pants & the pissed-off guy a slight psychological edge.


Oh, & yes, Megs didn't always need someone to carry him. Hell, they had him turn into a gun & fire while he was still mid-air in the original intro even:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCLiWpWeCoE

I've actually got a couple theories behind Megs here. Although this is slightly off topic, the exposure to the Allspark, and given the pressure experienced underwater, could conceivably cause damage to his vocal processors. Frank Welker for future installments, anyone?

I can't realistically see Megs turning into a giant handgun, especially if he were to blend in. However, I had a thought about that. Suppose he did scan a gun. There's no shifting mass in the movies, so Megs would have to be a big gun, right? Anyone remember Michael Bay talking about adding an aircraft carrier transformer in the next film? Sounds like something that could wield an abnormally large handgun.

Rocky87 wrote:I've actually got a couple theories behind Megs here. Although this is slightly off topic, the exposure to the Allspark, and given the pressure experienced underwater, could conceivably cause damage to his vocal processors. Frank Welker for future installments, anyone?

I can't realistically see Megs turning into a giant handgun, especially if he were to blend in. However, I had a thought about that. Suppose he did scan a gun. There's no shifting mass in the movies, so Megs would have to be a big gun, right? Anyone remember Michael Bay talking about adding an aircraft carrier transformer in the next film? Sounds like something that could wield an abnormally large handgun.

Very true.....
....if these movie bots used sidearms. But apparently built-in arm cannons seem to be the way they're going with these guys, unfortunately.

If that weren't the case, though, he could also always go the way of the original galvatron toy & be a triple-changer..one of the modes being a gun, but not having to necessarily rely on a comrade for support as he'd have that 3rd transformation.

BTW, welcome to the boards. Hope you enjoy your stay.

Or, here is an idea that actually would kill two birds with one stone.

Megatron at the bottom of the sea, reawakens, he now has some of the power of the Allspark, and the knowledge it contains. He shoots a message off to Cybertron.

He uses the body of Brawl to fix himself, turning him into a tank, and all powerful badass, getting rid of that pesky weakness, so the humans are screwed when fighting Megatron.

He uses his knowledge from the Allspark, which can compress and size-shift, and uses this to allow other Decepticons, namely, Soundwave, to mass/size-shift.

or something along those lines.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Rocky87 wrote:I've actually got a couple theories behind Megs here. Although this is slightly off topic, the exposure to the Allspark, and given the pressure experienced underwater, could conceivably cause damage to his vocal processors. Frank Welker for future installments, anyone?

I can't realistically see Megs turning into a giant handgun, especially if he were to blend in. However, I had a thought about that. Suppose he did scan a gun. There's no shifting mass in the movies, so Megs would have to be a big gun, right? Anyone remember Michael Bay talking about adding an aircraft carrier transformer in the next film? Sounds like something that could wield an abnormally large handgun.

Very true.....
....if these movie bots used sidearms. But apparently built-in arm cannons seem to be the way they're going with these guys, unfortunately.

If that weren't the case, though, he could also always go the way of the original galvatron toy & be a triple-changer..one of the modes being a gun, but not having to necessarily rely on a comrade for support as he'd have that 3rd transformation.

BTW, welcome to the boards. Hope you enjoy your stay.

Thanks for the welcome. I've enjoyed myself thus far.

I think my theory has some footing to it, though. If I'm recalling correctly, in the cartoon Megatron still could use a cannon in robot mode, and the other Decepticons had their own weaponry. But when Megs transformed into the handgun, there was another Decepticon there to wield him.

Anyways, like I said, just a theory.

I saw somewhere a picture of a custom made Megatron toy. The robot looks almost exactly like G1 Megatron. It transforms into a gattling gun with platform and attachments. Looks really neat and realistic.
Maybe Movie #2 can have Megatron transform into something like that?
It will be a gun, and won't need to depend on anybody to work.