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It was updated on tonights news. She had her first court hearing, no bail set (actually I think it was denied) and the judge is, I believe, having her held in Juvenile Detention for the full term up until the first trial date. She's being charged for assault and the fate of the dog is still to be determined. If the Prosecutors push for stronger charges I fear the dog may get the worse end of the deal. It's girls like this that have put great people like ML420 here in bad spots just because it helps feed the blatant ignorance of so many others out there.
I've always been an animal lover, always connected with them better than I do a lot of humans (I tend to trust them more than I do people and they can sense that) The biggest thing the animal world has to fear is simple human ignorance.

T-Macksimus wrote:The biggest thing the animal world has to fear is simple human ignorance.

That's the second biggest fear. The biggest fear is the food chain, and their location on it. And humans are on the top, so you may be right.

Absolute harassment is what I say happened to ye, lass. That woman was picking a fight and being abusive about it.
Pit Bulls are not mean and vicious. Animals are mean and vicious ONLY by negative human contact. Gorgeous Pit Bull at the local shelter here and she's the most well behaved, submissive and gentle dog there.
So, I'm with ye, MegsLady. Pit Bulls have been placed in an unnecessary spotlight.



~Lady B

Maxima wrote:Animals are mean and vicious ONLY by negative human contact.

Animals don't need human contact to be vicious. Again I point you towards the food chain. A lion doesn't kill and devour a gazelle because a human taught it to.

Shadowman wrote:

Maxima wrote:Animals are mean and vicious ONLY by negative human contact.

Animals don't need human contact to be vicious. Again I point you towards the food chain. A lion doesn't kill and devour a gazelle because a human taught it to.

I'll jump in and add the qualifiers. (sorry if I step on your toes here Maxima. Don't mean to)
Typical domesticated or non-ferral animals tend to become vicious ONLY by negative human contact. This also does not include the normal "food chain" aspect. Fluffy tearing the **** out of a mouse or squirrel or an animal defending "one if it's pack" is instinct.
Virtually all of the reports we have heard about in the news (there is a very small number of exceptions) regarding "pet" attacks is a direct result of negative human influence at some point in the upbringing of the animal.
It's the same argument as with gun control. It's not the gun that does it alone, someone has to be there to work the trigger or in some way set it off. It's the fault of the human plain and simple.

(I hope that didn't come across too hostile there. Just playing point/counterpoint here)

i agree with megatronslady

Maxima wrote:Absolute harassment is what I say happened to ye, lass. That woman was picking a fight and being abusive about it.
Pit Bulls are not mean and vicious. Animals are mean and vicious ONLY by negative human contact. Gorgeous Pit Bull at the local shelter here and she's the most well behaved, submissive and gentle dog there.
So, I'm with ye, MegsLady. Pit Bulls have been placed in an unnecessary spotlight.



~Lady B

thanks friend! *hugs*

I've always been more of a cat person myself. But i have found the aggressiveness of a dog is usually determined by how its raised. My neighbor has the most well mannered German Shepard's i've ever seen and my friends has the most passive pit bull. Raise em right and they'll do right by you.

I'm not particularly a pit bull fan, but I can agree with MegatronsLady420 for the most part. Pit Bulls can be a bit aggressive, but what animal isn't?

Most dog's were bred for different purposes, whether it be hunting, retrieving, or anything else that comes to mind, that's what a dog is bred for, aggressive or not. Now, I don't think that Pit Bulls are the greatest, and I don't think that they're the best of family dogs, but they do have a bad rep. at times. Most Pit bulls that I've met are fairly nice. However you do have to consider the environment that they've been in, and how humans react to their actions as well. For example, I too have overly judged dogs. My dogs are German Shepard, Chow, Rottie, mix. Chows and Rottie's aren't the nicest dogs either at times, but my dogs are practically pansies! They're nice for the most part, and it usually ends up as me watching the people around my dogs instead of them around people, you following me? The only times they've really almost "attacked" someone was when they were provoked when someone was up close to their face. Which by most dogs is a BIG NO NO!
My point is, that it's NOT just pit bulls, it's the people's faults as well.

Archanubis wrote:How often have you heard a news story whose headline was "Man Attacked by pet Chihuahua?"

Funny you should mention it.

I agree that it is the fault of the owner, mostly, but there are times when an animal just has a willpower that is unstoppable.

If you honestly think an animal isn't smart enough to kill on it's own without human interaction causing it...you're sadly mistaken and wrong.

We had a Beagle when I was a kid. He loved me to pieces and I him. I was sitting on the front porch, doing nothing but playing with a TF. No noises, no sudden moves, and Buddy just snapped loose, jumped up, bit me on the scalp and pulled me down off of the step and through the front yard.

If my Dad hadn't grabbed the shovel to beat Buddy off of me, that dog would've killed me.

And before you even say it (because some of you just can't admit it) there was no provocation, there was no ill treatment of the dog, the dog was fully housebroken, trained to do tricks, etc.

Once he tasted my blood, he was addicted. The animal shelter had to put him down, he was too dangerous to keep, and when they were done, they said there was nothing wrong with him physically, and that sometimes animals do just snap.

I still have indentations on my scalp where his teeth went in. I can feel them when I run my fingers through my hair.

Does any of this mean the animals should be vilified? Of course not, but don't lull yourself into a false sense of security around your animal. Never turn your back on a creature that has a killing instinct bred in it as a part of nature.

Same can be said for humans.

Let's flip it around for a moment. My grandfather was given a kitten as a present a few months back. Phantom (named for her Calico coloring covering half of her face) loves him to pieces, he can do no wrong in her eyes. But, she's SO vicious with everyone else, that the vet recommended that her claws be removed. She was injuring people, damaging furniture, and since she's an inside, domesticated cat who won't be outside and doesn't need to worry about fighting or killing other animals, it was either that or put her down. And yes, she's fully trained, had her shots, fixed, etc.

The cat has learned "I don't have any claws, so I'll bite you now." and of course that cannot be corrected like the claws, nor should it be. No one should be that cruel. The cat has serious problems, and even the vet can't pinpoint what's going on.

On the flipside, I have a 12 year old Pekingese, a 1.5 year old Persian, and 7-8 month old Tabby. All are genuinely calm, loving, affectionate, creatures. Who act more and more human everyday. (The cats are especially amazing. Their abilities are just incredible. So smart, so funny.)

I love animals, I'm a supporter of their rights, but even I know that there's a dangerous side to these animals and wouldn't trust them completely, with my life. You should always have an open mind to the possibility that your pet can turn against you at a moment's notice.

Most times it's due to provocation, but do you really want to turn a blind eye to the potential danger of said animal?

I surely hope not.

Shadowman wrote:

Siren Prime wrote:Hahaha!! Awesome...
Well, not for your dad, but I like a spunky dog.

When a dog bites someone, it is not awesome. Especially when that dog acts like it's prepared to do it again, which, from what I understand from that story, it was.

Wow, for once we're in total agreement.

And you're right, it's not awesome. I'd say it's absolutely STUPID to find something like that to be even remotely enjoyable.

No one should ever have to be afraid of their loved ones (that includes pets) in their own home. No one.

Autobot032 wrote:I agree that it is the fault of the owner, mostly, but there are times when an animal just has a willpower that is unstoppable.

If you honestly think an animal isn't smart enough to kill on it's own without human interaction causing it...you're sadly mistaken and wrong.

We had a Beagle when I was a kid. He loved me to pieces and I him. I was sitting on the front porch, doing nothing but playing with a TF. No noises, no sudden moves, and Buddy just snapped loose, jumped up, bit me on the scalp and pulled me down off of the step and through the front yard.

If my Dad hadn't grabbed the shovel to beat Buddy off of me, that dog would've killed me.

And before you even say it (because some of you just can't admit it) there was no provocation, there was no ill treatment of the dog, the dog was fully housebroken, trained to do tricks, etc.

Once he tasted my blood, he was addicted. The animal shelter had to put him down, he was too dangerous to keep, and when they were done, they said there was nothing wrong with him physically, and that sometimes animals do just snap.

I still have indentations on my scalp where his teeth went in. I can feel them when I run my fingers through my hair.

Does any of this mean the animals should be vilified? Of course not, but don't lull yourself into a false sense of security around your animal. Never turn your back on a creature that has a killing instinct bred in it as a part of nature.

Same can be said for humans.

Let's flip it around for a moment. My grandfather was given a kitten as a present a few months back. Phantom (named for her Calico coloring covering half of her face) loves him to pieces, he can do no wrong in her eyes. But, she's SO vicious with everyone else, that the vet recommended that her claws be removed. She was injuring people, damaging furniture, and since she's an inside, domesticated cat who won't be outside and doesn't need to worry about fighting or killing other animals, it was either that or put her down. And yes, she's fully trained, had her shots, fixed, etc.

The cat has learned "I don't have any claws, so I'll bite you now." and of course that cannot be corrected like the claws, nor should it be. No one should be that cruel. The cat has serious problems, and even the vet can't pinpoint what's going on.

On the flipside, I have a 12 year old Pekingese, a 1.5 year old Persian, and 7-8 month old Tabby. All are genuinely calm, loving, affectionate, creatures. Who act more and more human everyday. (The cats are especially amazing. Their abilities are just incredible. So smart, so funny.)

I love animals, I'm a supporter of their rights, but even I know that there's a dangerous side to these animals and wouldn't trust them completely, with my life. You should always have an open mind to the possibility that your pet can turn against you at a moment's notice.

Most times it's due to provocation, but do you really want to turn a blind eye to the potential danger of said animal?

I surely hope not.

Shadowman wrote:

Siren Prime wrote:Hahaha!! Awesome...
Well, not for your dad, but I like a spunky dog.

When a dog bites someone, it is not awesome. Especially when that dog acts like it's prepared to do it again, which, from what I understand from that story, it was.

Wow, for once we're in total agreement.

And you're right, it's not awesome. I'd say it's absolutely STUPID to find something like that to be even remotely enjoyable.

No one should ever have to be afraid of their loved ones (that includes pets) in their own home. No one.

im really sorry your beagle did that to you, he may have thought he was far more dominate than you and wanted to "establish" his hierarchy, its not your fault or anyone else's that the dog did it, but if you were small and he saw the others as bigger and being alpha, he saw a chance to make his position whether anyone liked it or not, you find it most commonly in hyper active dogs, beagles are very active, so he may have felt like he needed an omega but attacking you DOES NOT JUSTIFY WHAT THE DOG DID TO YOU! Personally I've only been bitten by two golden retrievers and small dogs, never by pit bulls, german sheperds, rotts, dobies, akitas, shar peis i admit im very scared of chows but i have never been bitten by any...maybe its because the dog resembles a bear but im not sure. lol.

Autobot032 wrote:Let's flip it around for a moment. My grandfather was given a kitten as a present a few months back. Phantom (named for her Calico coloring covering half of her face) loves him to pieces, he can do no wrong in her eyes. But, she's SO vicious with everyone else, that the vet recommended that her claws be removed. She was injuring people, damaging furniture, and since she's an inside, domesticated cat who won't be outside and doesn't need to worry about fighting or killing other animals, it was either that or put her down. And yes, she's fully trained, had her shots, fixed, etc.

The cat has learned "I don't have any claws, so I'll bite you now." and of course that cannot be corrected like the claws, nor should it be. No one should be that cruel. The cat has serious problems, and even the vet can't pinpoint what's going on.

We had something similar. A few months ago, we were supposed to take care of a cat belonging to a friend of my sister for a month. He was an extremely adorable orange cat named Milo, who had a face that could sell ham to a Rabbi. Shortly after, my sister's friend vanished off the face of the planet, so "a month" became "indefinitely."

Of course, after Milo realized he was welcome here, he began repeatedly assaulting out furniture, even after we got him a scratching post. He was fixed, but not declawed, and this kind of thing became a problem, especially since he liked to play a lot, and damn it, cat claws are sharp. We were told that he never attacked furniture before. We had contemplated getting him declawed, but my mom, cynic that she is, only figured the owner would return shortly after and having Milo declawed was pointless.

Now he's being taken care of by someone else, who I assume has less expensive furniture.

Animals are sentient, they make their own choices, and if they decide to attack you or your belongings, it doesn't matter how sweet or innocent or well trained they are.

Autobot032 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Siren Prime wrote:Hahaha!! Awesome...
Well, not for your dad, but I like a spunky dog.

When a dog bites someone, it is not awesome. Especially when that dog acts like it's prepared to do it again, which, from what I understand from that story, it was.

Wow, for once we're in total agreement.

I thought it was weird that the Weather Channel was reporting frogs falling from the sky...

MegatronsLady420 wrote:i admit im very scared of chows but i have never been bitten by any...maybe its because the dog resembles a bear but im not sure. lol.

And you should be. They're incredibly vicious when they snap. My Peke is a living example. Two tore into him and flung him around like a rag doll in a hotel hallway one evening. (We lived in an apartment on the top floor, but the main floor and basement areas are standard rooms.) The owner of the dogs had to body slam the one, and choke the other to get them off of my dog.

The owner of the hotel made the couple and their children leave. He made them pay for everything, as well. They never reported they had dogs, they never kept them on a leash (and we have laws here in town), they never paid the pet fee, so the owner made them pay the pet fee, the fees needed for paperwork involving our dog, the humane society, etc. And to top it off, he kept their already paid room fee on top of it all, and kicked 'em out on the spot. (I think it was fair.)

The owner called the other lodging operators in the area and told them to expect this family, and that they have two Chows, and so on. The mom and dad of the family were not happy and made it known, but he kicked 'em out anyway.

Shadowman wrote:I thought it was weird that the Weather Channel was reporting frogs falling from the sky...

Yeah, Hypno something or other.

MegatronsLady420 wrote:Okay today i was walking my dog, she's a pit bull mix and some bech came up to me screaming in my face about how vicious my dog was and that she'll snap just like that when im not looking, but when i asked her if she'd ever owned one she said "Watch the news!" I don't depend on the news to tell me wtf is going on, most of the news is media fed bull anyways. did you know most "pit bulls" on the news are labs or mastiff types or other bull dog types, some are even hound breeds. I've done my research for years, pit bulls are very difficult to train i do admit, but realise this, THEY ARE TERRIERS!!!! A terrier is very hyper and no matter the size they are strong. Pit bulls do not have "lock jaws" that was proven in a study in a Georgia University besides, if the jaws locked, like tetanus disease, they WOULD NEVER OPEN AGAIN! A bite is measured by weight, they will not ever lock! There are some rumors that this breed "snaps" they are "unpredictable" to some i guess, no, bad owners are the result of a bad dog, dogs learn behavior from thier owners, also beating a dog can make the dog fight back, if you dont fix your dog even if a human female is in her menstrual period it can make the dog believe she is in "heat" and will make the dog far more protective at the time. Leaving a dog in a yard, ignoring it can make the dog protective of it's territory and can innitiate attack if someone gets close to the yard, loving the dog too much can make a dog feel like it is head of the home and if another member of the family tries to "rise above" the dog, just like a wolf pack, the dog will attack whom ever he thinks is below him. Pit bulls were bred to protect homes and this is one thing people need to get straight, PIT BULLS WERE TRAINED TO FIGHT AND KILL OTHER DOGS, NOT PEOPLE IF A PIT BULL IN A RING BIT A HUMN HE WAS IMMEDIATLY PUT DOWN!!!! Pit bulls were at one time America's #1 dog in the late 19th and 20th century, now look at what we as people have done to the breed. Now we have to fight stupid laws just to keep our dogs. I have been bitten by small dogs and i've been attacked by 2 golden retrievers, NEVER BEEN ATTACKED BY A PIT BULL, i was raised around pit bulls. So yeh i'll defend them and every other "so-called-mean-breed" out there. Please don't believe the news in fact, when you see a report on the news call them and ask them why is that news and why isn't a golden retriever attack news as well, I was met with a "its not news" when i told them about my incident.
I don't think goldens are vicious and they should die, i would consider getting one but i'll be breeding pit bulls so i kinda can't lol.

If it wasn't for your stats, I'd swear you were my former neighbor. Couple of months ago her pit mix attacked not one but two of neighbors dogs. The last dog she attacked was a chicauau (or however you spell it) of a friends causing over $400 in vet bills. Of course the stupidass chiwawa (I'll spell it like it sounds) did run up barking in the pits face (the chiwawa should have been on a lease). Anyway a few of the people in my apartment complex was upset by this. (All the apartments around here are 1 bedroom and I personally feel that is too small for any animal over 60 pounds) I told my mom about this and when she visited a few weeks later she saw the girl walking the pit and told her that the dog was "vicious" and had it attacked her dog she would've shot it.
I found this embarrassing because my mom doesn't live in my Apartment complex or even in the same city as me. It was really none of her business because it wasn't her dog.

Even though I was embarrased by this and probably should have apolozied to the girl for my moms behavior (I can't now cause she moved) I do feel that pits can be vicious. But I also agree that how they are raised have alot to do with it. I still feel that no animal over 60 pounds should be stuck in a one-bedroom apartment. That's borderline cruelty.

SentinelA wrote:

MegatronsLady420 wrote:Okay today i was walking my dog, she's a pit bull mix and some bech came up to me screaming in my face about how vicious my dog was and that she'll snap just like that when im not looking, but when i asked her if she'd ever owned one she said "Watch the news!" I don't depend on the news to tell me wtf is going on, most of the news is media fed bull anyways. did you know most "pit bulls" on the news are labs or mastiff types or other bull dog types, some are even hound breeds. I've done my research for years, pit bulls are very difficult to train i do admit, but realise this, THEY ARE TERRIERS!!!! A terrier is very hyper and no matter the size they are strong. Pit bulls do not have "lock jaws" that was proven in a study in a Georgia University besides, if the jaws locked, like tetanus disease, they WOULD NEVER OPEN AGAIN! A bite is measured by weight, they will not ever lock! There are some rumors that this breed "snaps" they are "unpredictable" to some i guess, no, bad owners are the result of a bad dog, dogs learn behavior from thier owners, also beating a dog can make the dog fight back, if you dont fix your dog even if a human female is in her menstrual period it can make the dog believe she is in "heat" and will make the dog far more protective at the time. Leaving a dog in a yard, ignoring it can make the dog protective of it's territory and can innitiate attack if someone gets close to the yard, loving the dog too much can make a dog feel like it is head of the home and if another member of the family tries to "rise above" the dog, just like a wolf pack, the dog will attack whom ever he thinks is below him. Pit bulls were bred to protect homes and this is one thing people need to get straight, PIT BULLS WERE TRAINED TO FIGHT AND KILL OTHER DOGS, NOT PEOPLE IF A PIT BULL IN A RING BIT A HUMN HE WAS IMMEDIATLY PUT DOWN!!!! Pit bulls were at one time America's #1 dog in the late 19th and 20th century, now look at what we as people have done to the breed. Now we have to fight stupid laws just to keep our dogs. I have been bitten by small dogs and i've been attacked by 2 golden retrievers, NEVER BEEN ATTACKED BY A PIT BULL, i was raised around pit bulls. So yeh i'll defend them and every other "so-called-mean-breed" out there. Please don't believe the news in fact, when you see a report on the news call them and ask them why is that news and why isn't a golden retriever attack news as well, I was met with a "its not news" when i told them about my incident.
I don't think goldens are vicious and they should die, i would consider getting one but i'll be breeding pit bulls so i kinda can't lol.

If it wasn't for your stats, I'd swear you were my former neighbor. Couple of months ago her pit mix attacked not one but two of neighbors dogs. The last dog she attacked was a chicauau (or however you spell it) of a friends causing over $400 in vet bills. Of course the stupidass chiwawa (I'll spell it like it sounds) did run up barking in the pits face (the chiwawa should have been on a lease). Anyway a few of the people in my apartment complex was upset by this. (All the apartments around here are 1 bedroom and I personally feel that is too small for any animal over 60 pounds) I told my mom about this and when she visited a few weeks later she saw the girl walking the pit and told her that the dog was "vicious" and had it attacked her dog she would've shot it.
I found this embarrassing because my mom doesn't live in my Apartment complex or even in the same city as me. It was really none of her business because it wasn't her dog.

Even though I was embarrased by this and probably should have apolozied to the girl for my moms behavior (I can't now cause she moved) I do feel that pits can be vicious. But I also agree that how they are raised have alot to do with it. I still feel that no animal over 60 pounds should be stuck in a one-bedroom apartment. That's borderline cruelty.

my dog hasn't bitten any other dogs, but wow i hope that girl's dog doesn't keep on with it's behaviour

If your dog hasn't bitten another dog or attacked a baby and that woman called it "vicious" then that's just doggy profiling and that's just wrong!

SentinelA wrote:If your dog hasn't bitten another dog or attacked a baby and that woman called it "vicious" then that's just doggy profiling and that's just wrong!

As long as no laws were broken (some communities have anti-pit laws), then Megatronslady420 was completely in the free and clear and the woman getting in her face is borderline harassment.

I'm almost 100% certain if she had called a cop and told them what this woman pulled...they'd have sided with 420.

You can't just get in someone's face like that and start pointing fingers, especially when nothing's happened.

If anything, the cops might've gotten the woman for provoking 420's dog, had it become angry and wanted to attack.

Autobot032 wrote:

SentinelA wrote:If your dog hasn't bitten another dog or attacked a baby and that woman called it "vicious" then that's just doggy profiling and that's just wrong!

As long as no laws were broken (some communities have anti-pit laws), then Megatronslady420 was completely in the free and clear and the woman getting in her face is borderline harassment.

I'm almost 100% certain if she had called a cop and told them what this woman pulled...they'd have sided with 420.

You can't just get in someone's face like that and start pointing fingers, especially when nothing's happened.

If anything, the cops might've gotten the woman for provoking 420's dog, had it become angry and wanted to attack.

thank god we don't have thos dumb breed bans here, no one wants to spend thier tax money on keeping just one or two breeds out of the state, town, or county, about 90% of Arizonans think Pit bull banning or any breed banning is retarded lol, BTW good news, i met a chow, at an adoptathon he was so cute, i kinda hesitated because i was a little scared but he was sooooo sweet, he was about 8 months and almost 100 pounds but he was a sweetheart, i think my fear of chows might be over.