The Energon Pub

I was just thinking about this earlier today. Ok, so in the first movie the Allspark is destroyed. The Autobots can't revive Cybertron. So how do they do it?

.....with a different Allspark.

Perhaps they could introduce another alien life form...perhaps the Quintessons, because they would probably fit the idea the best (they would certainly be unique as far as movie aliens go)...as the creators of the cube, & thus the Transformers, & then possibly a story about how the cubes are meant to be planted on a planet to convert all their tech into robots either to be sold to the highest bidder, as in G1....or more likely to conquer the planets the cubes were sent to. That would also be interesting if they use the old G1 uprising from their masters story to explain why Cybertron isn't Quint-controlled, also. Not to mention it would probably be interesting for this, in a movie, to happen on earth, since Cybertron is currently destroyed, as they could be there to claim earth for their own, despite Megatron's attempts to do it himself.

What does anybody think?

That wouyld be good, I like that idea!
But the litle fragment rime took of Megs chest could regenerate itsself, maybe

Dead Metal wrote:That wouyld be good, I like that idea!
But the litle fragment rime took of Megs chest could regenerate itsself, maybe

Eh, possibly. I've heard several people say that they thought the fragment of the allspark was shown to "prove" that it had been destroyed.

In all honesty, a second(or multiple cubes) could possibly satisfy both sides of the destroyed/not destroyed argument.

...Of course, I think the reason why people really want to see the allspark survive is so it can be used to revive Jazz like it did Frenzy's body.

Interesting. The Quints would need to be like...super powerful, though. Maybe they could wipe out a whole human city and revive Megatron, forcing Screamer and the other cons to fight with the Autobots, and then betray them whenever Megatron shakes off the Quintesson influence. Tasty.

Thats a really badass idea! I would really like to see that in the sequal

Sentinel Pax wrote:Interesting. The Quints would need to be like...super powerful, though. Maybe they could wipe out a whole human city and revive Megatron, forcing Screamer and the other cons to fight with the Autobots, and then betray them whenever Megatron shakes off the Quintesson influence. Tasty.

Not necessarily. They could use bodyguards of some sort...maybe not Srarkticons exactly....but perhaps some of the earth tech they transform will come to their becking call. Would make sense, given that they would be coming to earth to swipe our tech anyway.

An Army of Dispensors! Actually, the body guard idea would work with the multiple Allsparks idea, in that every planet with an Allspark would have Cybertronian-like beings, some more powerful than the Transformers. Hmmm...this is intriguing.

Sentinel Pax wrote:An Army of Dispensors! Actually, the body guard idea would work with the multiple Allsparks idea, in that every planet with an Allspark would have Cybertronian-like beings, some more powerful than the Transformers. Hmmm...this is intriguing.

If I were into making fanfics, it would possibly make a neat one at least. Of course, I get really bad writer's block when I do any form of ordered & coherent writing, so even with a great idea, it'd be crap to read.

I alway tought that the origin of the cube where linked to the Quintesson. They possesed the power to ressurect Cybertronian and the cube posses immense life-giving power.

But i am wondering waht they would look like. If they DO appear, i hope it include the judge and Sharkticon. Guess why!

Nico wrote:I alway tought that the origin of the cube where linked to the Quintesson. They possesed the power to ressurect Cybertronian and the cube posses immense life-giving power.

But i am wondering waht they would look like. If they DO appear, i hope it include the judge and Sharkticon. Guess why!

INNOCENT!!


Anywho, if I were to guess, I'd say if they did do the Quints, they'd possibly go for an Alpha-Q method where they only show one or maybe a couple of heads at a time...that way it could actually have a body of sorts other than just an orb covered with faces with tentacles hanging down.

I was more seeing them as organic. They wear some sort of armor. What we see, the 5-face and the tentacle are exosqueletton.

I had picture but it sucked ass!

Nico wrote:I was more seeing them as organic. They wear some sort of armor. What we see, the 5-face and the tentacle are exosqueletton.

I had picture but it sucked ass!

I always thought of them as being techno-organic myself....possibly cyborg-ish.

I still kinda liked Alpha-Q, though...how he had the ...well....3 faces set inside his armor, & they kinda spun around where you could only see one at a time, & the others off to the side....kinda like Man-E-Faces on MOTU.

I'm really liking the way the many-faced Quints could be filmed. I'm a sucker for quick cuts, which is one thing Bay is known for. I highly doubt they'll show up, but the Quintessons could be really cool in the movie universe. Maybe like the borg, planting seeds for civilization, and then using the best aspects of those civilizations to enhance their own. Hence, they would be much stronger than the average Transformer and a huge threat to earth. ...For some reason or other.

I have a much better Idea, just use different artifacts for each movie, in the next the Autobot Matrix of Leadership, in the third, Vegtor Sigma.

The Time Traveller wrote:I have a much better Idea, just use different artifacts for each movie, in the next the Autobot Matrix of Leadership, in the third, Vegtor Sigma.

Well, you know...the Allspark was originally supposed to be the Matrix....but they didn't want to call it that because they thought people might connect it to the Matrix movies...though personally I don't see why they had to use the shorthand name "matrix" instead of "autobot matrix of leadership"....but the way it was handled, Allspark was probably a better name for it anyway. At one point they were going to call it the Energon Cube as well, but fans pointed out that energon was their fuel supply & not necessarily their "source of life".

I think seeing the Matrix of Leadership would be pretty cool as well, but with them saying that Cybertron is virtually dead....there's no telling if they'd even use them, or if they did, if they'd serve the same purposes.

The Time Traveller wrote:I have a much better Idea, just use different artifacts for each movie, in the next the Autobot Matrix of Leadership, in the third, Vegtor Sigma.

I had an idea about Vector Sigma, specifically the Key:

The AllSpark couldn't create technological matter from organic. Perhaps it landed on a planetoid, which happened to be rich in silicon. It converted it into a whole planet, and used the remaining silicon to create silicon based bodies. (Not lifeforms)

Then the Quintessons come in and use Vector Sigma to give the machines life. A few million years later, the Transformers shake off the Quint's control.

All Spark creates machines, Vector Sigma gives machines life.

(Oddly, another name for Vector Sigma in the comics was "The All-Spark")

You may be asking "Then how did the AllSpark give life to Venditron, Nokia-bot, X-bot 360 and the other guys?" Easy: Since they were based off of samples of Megatron, technically they had already been activated by Vector Sigma. The Allspark just gave them humanoid form.

And here's how it can be used:

Megatron is, officially, dead. Unlike Scorponok, they make it very clear Megatron is dead. (As for Bonecrusher, his CPU was destroyed. No use for a heart/spark if the brain doesn't work)

The Quintessons come along, and found their prize creation dead and crushed under millions of tons of pressure.

So, they use a tractor beam (Possibly the only safe way to extract him), use a second AllSpark (They call it something different, as Prime said, they don't know where the AllSpark came from, so they wouldn't know it's real name) and repair Megs, and Vector Sigma to re-activate him.

Tailing the Quintessons is Megatron's old protegé from Cybertron, Galvatron. (I am tired of them being the same guy) Galvatron rendezvous with Starscream on the way to Earth, and finds out that his old father-figure is dead. Enraged, and in true Galvatron fashion, he blames the nearest living being: Starscream. He blames Starscream for Megatron's death (Given that his main mission was to find the Decepticon leader), transforms into a Cybertronian Weapons Platform, and kills Starscream on the spot.

Later (Possibly Movie 3), Galvatron finds Megatron under Quintesson control. This leads to an uncomfortable battle between the two.

Shadowman wrote:

The Time Traveller wrote:I have a much better Idea, just use different artifacts for each movie, in the next the Autobot Matrix of Leadership, in the third, Vegtor Sigma.

I had an idea about Vector Sigma, specifically the Key:

The AllSpark couldn't create technological matter from organic. Perhaps it landed on a planetoid, which happened to be rich in silicon. It converted it into a whole planet, and used the remaining silicon to create silicon based bodies. (Not lifeforms)

Then the Quintessons come in and use Vector Sigma to give the machines life. A few million years later, the Transformers shake off the Quint's control.

All Spark creates machines, Vector Sigma gives machines life.

(Oddly, another name for Vector Sigma in the comics was "The All-Spark")

You may be asking "Then how did the AllSpark give life to Venditron, Nokia-bot, X-bot 360 and the other guys?" Easy: Since they were based off of samples of Megatron, technically they had already been activated by Vector Sigma. The Allspark just gave them humanoid form.

And here's how it can be used:

Megatron is, officially, dead. Unlike Scorponok, they make it very clear Megatron is dead. (As for Bonecrusher, his CPU was destroyed. No use for a heart/spark if the brain doesn't work)

The Quintessons come along, and found their prize creation dead and crushed under millions of tons of pressure.

So, they use a tractor beam (Possibly the only safe way to extract him), use a second AllSpark (They call it something different, as Prime said, they don't know where the AllSpark came from, so they wouldn't know it's real name) and repair Megs, and Vector Sigma to re-activate him.

Tailing the Quintessons is Megatron's old protegé from Cybertron, Galvatron. (I am tired of them being the same guy) Galvatron rendezvous with Starscream on the way to Earth, and finds out that his old father-figure is dead. Enraged, and in true Galvatron fashion, he blames the nearest living being: Starscream. He blames Starscream for Megatron's death (Given that his main mission was to find the Decepticon leader), transforms into a Cybertronian Weapons Platform, and kills Starscream on the spot.

Later (Possibly Movie 3), Galvatron finds Megatron under Quintesson control. This leads to an uncomfortable battle between the two.

Those are cool ideas I like your ideas for Galvatron, it would considerably deepen that character, plus it would add some realist angst to the Tf movie, especially when Galvy fights Megatron.

Tailing the Quintessons is Megatron's old protegé from Cybertron, Galvatron. (I am tired of them being the same guy) Galvatron rendezvous with Starscream on the way to Earth, and finds out that his old father-figure is dead. Enraged, and in true Galvatron fashion, he blames the nearest living being: Starscream. He blames Starscream for Megatron's death (Given that his main mission was to find the Decepticon leader), transforms into a Cybertronian Weapons Platform, and kills Starscream on the spot.

How about if they do ths, replace Galvy with Shockwave. being that he was loyal to Megatron to a fault (in G1 anyway)....the part about Starscream being a scapegoat would fit perfectly.

Though I must admit, the reason I'd want to see Shockwave is because unlike you, I'd rather Galvatron stay an upgrade to Megatron(Galvanizing basically referring to reinforcing metal in the first place)...though possibly not use Galvy at all in the movie series.