The Energon Pub

[YoungPrime]

Windblade? Fan favourite?

Yeah, I know right...

She has not lived up to the Hasbro Hype but that might have more to do with Mairghread Scott's mediocre story telling thus far.

A couple months will tell if she's finally stepped her game up.

[Deadput]

She has not lived up to the Hasbro Hype but that might have more to do with Mairghread Scott's mediocre story telling thus far.

A couple months will tell if she's finally stepped her game up.

What hype?


At least she is treated with better respect then some characters lately.

[ZeroWolf]

She has not lived up to the Hasbro Hype but that might have more to do with Mairghread Scott's mediocre story telling thus far.

A couple months will tell if she's finally stepped her game up.

What hype?


At least she is treated with better respect then some characters lately.

Out of curiosity, who are you referring to?

[Deadput]

Out of curiosity, who are you referring to?

Windblade?


No clearly I was talking about Chromia which is why I quoted those posts about Windblade to talk about a completely different character.

[SW's SilverHammer]

Man, I don't want starscream to be overthrown. I like the Idea that the biggest shitbag in transformers is the special by way of the chosen one. I like to imagine IDW starscream at this point is Like Gaius from battlestar, who was also a spectacular asshole, and the chosen one.

[Deadput]

Man, I don't want starscream to be overthrown. I like the Idea that the biggest shitbag in transformers is the special by way of the chosen one. I like to imagine IDW starscream at this point is Like Gaius from battlestar, who was also a spectacular asshole, and the chosen one.

It's refreshing since it's something outside of the usual "The war is over and the Autobots rule it and is peaceful with no conflict because everyone knows that only Decepticons are bad guys"


Heck I like that a chosen one is somebody not a Prime or an Autobot kid-appeal character.

[ZeroWolf]

Out of curiosity, who are you referring to?

Windblade?


No clearly I was talking about Chromia which is why I quoted those posts about Windblade to talk about a completely different character.

Okay, there's no need for the attitude, especially when you worded it the way you did. You said "some characters" which makes it sound like there was more than one character you were having problems with.

Anyways, changing back to the topic at hand.

I want starscream to be overthrown while he falls from grace in a decent of madness, knowing that while he got where he was, it was also his own mistakes that undid him, his ego blinding him as he stepped off the precipice into oblivion.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I more look forward to how this whole Bumblebee as Starscream's ghostly sidekick will turn out

[Insurgent]

I have two questions:

1) Is this All Are One title just a renamed RID, or is there going to be a third ongoing?

2) Who the smeg is Rom?



And personally, I like the way Mairghread Scott writes Windblade. Gives her some nice character, unlike her appearance in Dark Cybertron.

[ZeroWolf]

I have two questions:

1) Is this All Are One title just a renamed RID, or is there going to be a third ongoing?

2) Who the smeg is Rom?



And personally, I like the way Mairghread Scott writes Windblade. Gives her some nice character, unlike her appearance in Dark Cybertron.

It's a third ongoing and Rom was another hasbro toy from the eighties that never made to the UK...I think and his character rights have been all over the place till IDW got them. I think they may of been with marvel

[Va'al]

I have two questions:

1) Is this All Are One title just a renamed RID, or is there going to be a third ongoing?

2) Who the smeg is Rom?



And personally, I like the way Mairghread Scott writes Windblade. Gives her some nice character, unlike her appearance in Dark Cybertron.

It's a third ongoing and Rom was another hasbro toy from the eighties that never made to the UK...I think and his character rights have been all over the place till IDW got them. I think they may of been with marvel

Yep yep, and additionally, it's a third ongoing that catches up from the end of Windblade volume 2, though also after all the stuff taking place in All Hail Optimus and the such.

[Insurgent]

I see. Thanks guys. So there's MTMTE, what was rid which is cybertron stuff, and then all are one. But is there enough story to hold 3 ongoings? Without giving any spoilers (I've only read up to #48), is there a difference between this and rid? Or is it more a case of different viewpoints of the same events? I'm not reading solicitations or synopsys because I dno't want spoilers.

[Va'al]

I see. Thanks guys. So there's MTMTE, what was rid which is cybertron stuff, and then all are one. But is there enough story to hold 3 ongoings? Without giving any spoilers (I've only read up to #48), is there a difference between this and rid? Or is it more a case of different viewpoints of the same events? I'm not reading solicitations or synopsys because I dno't want spoilers.

ExRID is now The Transformers, which is actually Earth based for a bit, with Galvatron as the Big Bad, Soundwave as a neutral of sorts, Arcee as kinda good Autobot, Optimus as a colonising prick, and various corollary characters.

TAAO will be more Cybertron and ex-colonies centred, with Windblade, Starscream and the Council of Worlds taking centre stage, with their auxiliary characters.

That's as succinct and spoiler-free as I could go!

[Insurgent]

Ah, I see. Thanks good Doctor, that was a perfect answer.

[Cyberstrike]

Sounds interesting I can't wait to read it.

[Genericon #378]

Windblade? Fan favourite?

Yeah, I know right...

She has not lived up to the Hasbro Hype but that might have more to do with Mairghread Scott's mediocre story telling thus far.

A couple months will tell if she's finally stepped her game up.

You know who has more charcter development then Windblade? Acid Storm.

[Genericon #378]

Windblade? Fan favourite?

Yeah, I know right...

She has not lived up to the Hasbro Hype but that might have more to do with Mairghread Scott's mediocre story telling thus far.

A couple months will tell if she's finally stepped her game up.

You know who has more charcter development then Windblade? Acid Storm.

[Counterpunch]

I really hope Starscream stays in power.

Armada aside, this is the only real character development he has ever gotten. If he is to be anything more than the inevitable traitor, Starscream needs to keep his ruling position and be challenged by Prime, the Council, and an eventual Megatron successor.

The best plot it could all follow is for everyone to hate and mistrust him while his schemes and pride force him to do what's in Cybertron's best interest and ultimately succeed.

[Prowl4]

Windblade fan favourite . I despise the character, I don't know how any fan could like it.

[RevTibe]

I am curious about the reasoning behind much of the Windblade distaste. I thrive on discussion and debate, after all, but most of the Windblade critique I've seen is often flawed on an objective level? i.e. saying an anti-Starscream sentiment is the only arrow in her quiver when there's a truckload of non-interpretive evidence for that not being the case.

The two best points I've seen are the poor storytelling behind effectively sweeping Chromia's crime under the rug (which is more an issue of Vol. 2's followup than Vol. 1) and the painfully compressed nature of Windblade Vol. 2, but the latter doesn't reflect on Windblade the character, and the former feels more like a failure in story/setting than in characterization.

I suppose the character's lackluster showing in Robots In Disguise '15 might be a contributing factor, especially with her only serving as the focal protagonist in one episode, to my count?

In my eyes, the most common theme in IDW's past few years of material has been shades of grey morality while trying to avoid the typical, dull "Everyone's a jerk, everything sucks" pitfall. Windblade seems to really take that idea and run with it, a character with strong personal ideals and a sense of morality who is often forced to compromise one to best serve the other, alongside moments such as the compassion underlined with coercion she shows to Waspinator etc. Windblade works in those shades of grey while still being a hopeful, believable character, making for a strong addition to the mythos.

Of course, people are free to dislike something "just 'cuz", boring though that may be.

[ZeroWolf]

I reckon there's a small subset if fans that dislike her because of who she is. They don't like how is she shoehorned in to everything, H ow she has become so important.

They are the ones who would most likely answer *cuz* to your question rev.

I think a big test for windblade will be in the machima cartoon.

[Prowl4]

I am curious about the reasoning behind much of the Windblade distaste. I thrive on discussion and debate, after all, but most of the Windblade critique I've seen is often flawed on an objective level? i.e. saying an anti-Starscream sentiment is the only arrow in her quiver when there's a truckload of non-interpretive evidence for that not being the case.

The two best points I've seen are the poor storytelling behind effectively sweeping Chromia's crime under the rug (which is more an issue of Vol. 2's followup than Vol. 1) and the painfully compressed nature of Windblade Vol. 2, but the latter doesn't reflect on Windblade the character, and the former feels more like a failure in story/setting than in characterization.

I suppose the character's lackluster showing in Robots In Disguise '15 might be a contributing factor, especially with her only serving as the focal protagonist in one episode, to my count?

In my eyes, the most common theme in IDW's past few years of material has been shades of grey morality while trying to avoid the typical, dull "Everyone's a jerk, everything sucks" pitfall. Windblade seems to really take that idea and run with it, a character with strong personal ideals and a sense of morality who is often forced to compromise one to best serve the other, alongside moments such as the compassion underlined with coercion she shows to Waspinator etc. Windblade works in those shades of grey while still being a hopeful, believable character, making for a strong addition to the mythos.

Of course, people are free to dislike something "just 'cuz", boring though that may be.

I don't like the design, I don't like how over exposed she is, I don't like how Optimus and other cybertronians look to, want and ask for her opinion, advice and essentially to lead. It devalues other cybertronians. Again she has way too much to, titan speaker, trying to over throw starscream and be a branch to other worlds while having a poor attitude. I hate the character.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I do personally like her. I'm ok with where she has ended up and what she has been doing. She so far has been written as a great character to me.

[RevTibe]

I think a big test for windblade will be in the machima cartoon.

Fingers crossed there; I'm honestly not sure what to expect of that series in general, nevermind specific characters.

I don't like the design, I don't like how over exposed she is, I don't like how Optimus and other cybertronians look to, want and ask for her opinion, advice and essentially to lead. It devalues other cybertronians. Again she has way too much to, titan speaker, trying to over throw starscream and be a branch to other worlds while having a poor attitude. I hate the character.

I've gotta agree on some design aspects being disappointing - although human tropes and archetypes underline almost every Transformer, I dislike it when those references become incredibly specific, like Windblade's kabuki-styled head (I suppose the pseudo-beatnik Jazz would be my upper limit for human-culture-specificity). Her fiction has warmed me up to the facepaint, but if I had the opportunity to redesign the character I'd likely tweak the hair and headdress.

I suppose we have different personal definitions in terms of character overexposure - for me, a reasonably justified newbie can be a very welcome addition, even if they take a significant portion of the spotlight. The Cityspeaker angle tying into the longstanding Titans plot threads and acting as a liaison to her homeland seemed like strong justification, believably tying this new character to preexisting plot points.

Not sure about the "poor attitude" or overthrowing Screamer points, particularly with the whole "saving Starscream's life" and "thinking Starscream's rule could lead to a bright future, as long as opportunities for tyrannical power are curtailed" moments.

[ZeroWolf]

I would say she's wary of starscream but that's common sense really, from what I know I don't think she's ever stated she wants to remove him from power.

I'm glad that she was created, same with Victorion, I think the brand has to keep making new things and balancing on the old, creating new fixtures for the future to reference. Do you people who hate windblade also hate Drift? While there is certainly important differences between the two, I think there's a lot connecting them.