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howcome the Transformers couldn't go to Earth then?

other than the fact that their transformations would suck.

But the Megatron, theglasses AND the Allspark were there in the 1930's. Hoover Dam wasn't built yet, so why were the Transformers were 70 years late?

For the same reason that Shockwave & co. couldn't come to Megatron's aid in G1...they didn't know where he was.

Even though Megatron was the first one on earth, circumstances out of his control prevented him from bringing the Allspark home, the other TFs couldn't find him or the allspark until much later.

The Allspark was taken to its hiding spot in the early 1900s. It fell to earth millions of years ago according IDW's movie adaptation. Prime discusses when it came to earth in the beginning of the movie too.

Megatron found earth 10,000 years ago and crashed. So who knows how long the allspark was there for (or as the above is posted).

jaws wrote:The Allspark was taken to its hiding spot in the early 1900s. It fell to earth millions of years ago according IDW's movie adaptation. Prime discusses when it came to earth in the beginning of the movie too.

Actually, I think it was the Allspark landed on Earth long ago where Hoover Dam is now. Sector 7 just built the dam around it in the 30s. It was Megatron who was moved after he crashed in the Arctic and was discovered by humans.

As for the original poster, I think it was because nobody knew where the Allspark was. Megatron finally tracked it on Earth, but ended up on stasis lock when he crash-landed. I think the reason the rest of the 'Bots took a while to get to Earth was because they waited for Bumblebee's signal if he finds a clue as to where to search for the Allspark (that was why he signaled the rest when he found Sam).

I haven't read the prequel, or anything. Can anybody please confirm or correct all of what I just said?

Other than Megatron, no TF had recieved the signal until 2003 or so.

KingEmperor wrote:

jaws wrote:The Allspark was taken to its hiding spot in the early 1900s. It fell to earth millions of years ago according IDW's movie adaptation. Prime discusses when it came to earth in the beginning of the movie too.

Sector 7 just built the dam around it in the 30s. It was Megatron who was moved after he crashed in the Arctic and was discovered by humans.

it was because nobody knew where the Allspark was. Megatron finally tracked it on Earth, but ended up on stasis lock when he crash-landed. I think the reason the rest of the 'Bots took a while to get to Earth was because they waited for Bumblebee's signal if he finds a clue as to where to search for the Allspark (that was why he signaled the rest when he found Sam).

I haven't read the prequel, or anything. Can anybody please confirm or correct all of what I just said?

everything you stated is correct. prime clearly says all this in the movie.


BB was sent to earth to find and watch over sam and once he found sam, is when he signaled the autobots down to earth.

no guys the dude from sector seven says that they think that it crashlanded on earth in like 10,000 B.C. but they didnt find it till 1930!!!! didnt u pay attention?

Space travel takes a HECK of a lot of time. THAT is why it took them until now to arrive. They're lucky they didn't make some kind of cosmic U-turn and end up in Star Trek.

In G1 how many years did the transformers lay dormant after their craft crashed. I'm not the best when it comes to this trivia but wasn't it millions of years?

My point is apparently the transformers suck at search and rescue.

General procedure is to save recovery of lost ships for AFTER you're done with the war. Didn't the folks on Cybertron think the Ark was lost with no survivors? That would make going to find it a salvage operation, not a search and rescue. With salvaging, there's no particular hurry because there's no one to rescue. It's not like there's anybody alive to care if you're late showing up, is there?

*cries*

1.) It crashlanded on Earth 10,000 years ago. (It was carbon dated.)

2.) Megatron crashlanded 1,000 years ago, after eons of searching.

3.) Megatron was discovered in 1895. (Moved in the 1930's)

4.) Hoover Dam was built around the cube to hide it from humans or aliens in the '30s as well. (This was the period of time when the First Seven (started Sector 7) became active.)

PRiMES┴DESTiNY wrote:

KingEmperor wrote:

jaws wrote:The Allspark was taken to its hiding spot in the early 1900s. It fell to earth millions of years ago according IDW's movie adaptation. Prime discusses when it came to earth in the beginning of the movie too.

Sector 7 just built the dam around it in the 30s. It was Megatron who was moved after he crashed in the Arctic and was discovered by humans.

it was because nobody knew where the Allspark was. Megatron finally tracked it on Earth, but ended up on stasis lock when he crash-landed. I think the reason the rest of the 'Bots took a while to get to Earth was because they waited for Bumblebee's signal if he finds a clue as to where to search for the Allspark (that was why he signaled the rest when he found Sam).

I haven't read the prequel, or anything. Can anybody please confirm or correct all of what I just said?

everything you stated is correct. prime clearly says all this in the movie.


BB was sent to earth to find and watch over sam and once he found sam, is when he signaled the autobots down to earth.

BB was sent to earth to fidn Sam, presumably because Prime tracked the glasses in WWW.

But BB was here long ago. Possibly in the 70s era. Which explains the 74 Camaro.

But Sam would not have been born yet is the 70s. And even if he was born in the late 70s, he would be a baby. No internet. No glasses for sale yet.

Which brings us back to the questions. How did Prime traced the link to Sam and then sent BB to watch over him?



Confusing.

Autobot032 wrote:*cries*

1.) It crashlanded on Earth 10,000 years ago. (It was carbon dated.)

2.) Megatron crashlanded 1,000 years ago, after eons of searching.

3.) Megatron was discovered in 1895. (Moved in the 1930's)

4.) Hoover Dam was built around the cube to hide it from humans or aliens in the '30s as well. (This was the period of time when the First Seven (started Sector 7) became active.)

How did the archeologist and scientist linked Megatron to the Allspark?

1.) Carbon dating would have shown no relation between the 2. 10,000 years and 1,000 years are too far apart.

2.) The 2 forms are entirely different.

3.) Why would they bring the 2 unrelated object together? Usually, American labs are far apart. Each studying a different find.

Auto Bot wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:*cries*

1.) It crashlanded on Earth 10,000 years ago. (It was carbon dated.)

2.) Megatron crashlanded 1,000 years ago, after eons of searching.

3.) Megatron was discovered in 1895. (Moved in the 1930's)

4.) Hoover Dam was built around the cube to hide it from humans or aliens in the '30s as well. (This was the period of time when the First Seven (started Sector 7) became active.)

How did the archeologist and scientist linked Megatron to the Allspark?

1.) Carbon dating would have shown no relation between the 2. 10,000 years and 1,000 years are too far apart.

2.) The 2 forms are entirely different.

3.) Why would they bring the 2 unrelated object together? Usually, American labs are far apart. Each studying a different find.

They found the cube by chance. Witwicky found Megatron by chance. They also noticed that the hieroglyphics on N.B.E. 1 matched them on the cube as well. It told them they were related somehow.

The Allspark got lost in space long, long before Megatron went hunting after it. Like Prime said in the beginning, they searched all over the known universe.

Once they knew the location and realized it was hidden, it was just a waiting game to find it.

The Decepticons were here before the Autobots. I'm sure they found out about Project Iceman, long before they attacked the Soccent Forward Base in Qatar. Once that info traveled, they knew who to go after, and so did Bumblebee. All of the Cybertronians can hear each other's transmissions. It's not that hard of a thing to follow.

Long story short:

1.) Allspark crashed.

2.) Megatron followed, crashed later.

3.) Humans (over the course of a few decades) discovered both and hid them.

4.) The Autobots followed the Decepticons who found Megatron when his guidance system was activated.

5.) The Decepticons were already hidden on Earth, waiting for their moment to strike.

6.) The Autobots sent Bumblebee, once they knew the Decepticons were finding the info.

And that's pretty much it. Thin as hell, but an enjoyable watch.

Also, they put Megatron and the Cube together in the same facility because it was large enough to contain the both of them and keep them from being sighted. Stupid yes, braindead by leaps and bounds...but it did work for 70+ years, so for at least a while, they knew what they were doing. Also, our technology was reverse engineered from Megatron (which would give them a chance to carbon date him as well.)

And official or not, it's never been said that the comics were to be considered a part of the film's canon. By any means. We need to confirm that for sure, though.

I know it's difficult because the movie moves fast, but if people pay close attention and actually listen to what the cast says, it's explained. In fact, it's kind of a dumbed down explanation...makes me feel a little...well...pandered to.

from what I can tell in the prequels and stuff. Megatron had the "scent" of the Allspark. So he had less trouble than the rest of the bots to find it.

The Autobots spents years and years and YEARS searching for the Allspark, but to no avail.

Then the Autobots ran into the space travelers, and thats where the Autobots and the Decepticons fought each other in space.

And then they got hint that the humans had the Allspark, and Megatron (cuz of their decepticon influenced ship), so they decided to go look for the humans' planet, Earth.

Then eventually the found it, and sent Bumblebee for scouting.

And yea...

BB never came to earth to protect Sam or anything like that, he was here because BB took the mission to try and follow Megatrons trail and locate the spark after the launch. He landed around the year before the cons 2002-2006 I guess the time lines are very off on all accounts. But either way he was here and was pounding the streets looking for a trace of the all sparks signal or a lead on its location.

Iron Prime wrote:howcome the Transformers couldn't go to Earth then?

other than the fact that their transformations would suck.

But the Megatron, theglasses AND the Allspark were there in the 1930's. Hoover Dam wasn't built yet, so why were the Transformers were 70 years late?

Maybe we'd see Bumblebee in his 1943 Volkswagen alt mold. At the inaugural launch with Adolf Hitler at the helm.

I'm gonna watch History Channel again.

nugget wrote:In G1 how many years did the transformers lay dormant after their craft crashed. I'm not the best when it comes to this trivia but wasn't it millions of years?

My point is apparently the transformers suck at search and rescue.

4,000,000.

I wonder if when Bumblebee encountered the Mars rover he recognized the reverse engineered Cybertronian technology (or it it technobiology in their case), and then knew where to go i.e. Earth.
And another thing, I got confused about the status of Cybertron in the movie. I kept hearing that it was dead either due to the war, the lack of the allspark, or both. I don't know, I don't want to beleive that. But we all know there's going to be new and different bots in the sequel-they're out there somewhere. It's a pretty safe assumption. But did they all evacuate after Optimus and the others left looking for the allspark? Did they themselves go looking for it out in the universe? Did most just slowly rot and die while waiting for them to return or did they just evacuate to find a new home? How long did it take for everything to die off after the allspark left?
I want answers damnit!! :)

Unicron's Head wrote:I wonder if when Bumblebee encountered the Mars rover he recognized the reverse engineered Cybertronian technology (or it it technobiology in their case), and then knew where to go i.e. Earth.
And another thing, I got confused about the status of Cybertron in the movie. I kept hearing that it was dead either due to the war, the lack of the allspark, or both. I don't know, I don't want to beleive that. But we all know there's going to be new and different bots in the sequel-they're out there somewhere. It's a pretty safe assumption. But did they all evacuate after Optimus and the others left looking for the allspark? Did they themselves go looking for it out in the universe? Did most just slowly rot and die while waiting for them to return or did they just evacuate to find a new home? How long did it take for everything to die off after the allspark left?
I want answers damnit!!

"I wonder if when Bumblebee encountered the Mars rover he recognized the reverse engineered Cybertronian technology (or it it technobiology in their case), and then knew where to go i.e. Earth."

We have no idea who that Cybertronian in the video is. It doesn't look too much like Bumblebee, and I seriously doubt he'd just destroy something he doesn't understand. That's not the Autobot way.

"And another thing, I got confused about the status of Cybertron in the movie. I kept hearing that it was dead either due to the war, the lack of the allspark, or both. I don't know, I don't want to beleive that."

Over usage of planetary resources and constant battle ripped the planet apart. It was unable to sustain life. So yes, it was due to a lack of both.

"But we all know there's going to be new and different bots in the sequel-they're out there somewhere. It's a pretty safe assumption."

Of course they're out there. Otherwise Prime wouldn't have said (at the end) "I send this message to any Autobots taking refuge among the stars, we are here, and we are waiting." The Decepticons, while violent and irrational, aren't stupid. They too would jump ship.

"But did they all evacuate after Optimus and the others left looking for the allspark? Did they themselves go looking for it out in the universe? Did most just slowly rot and die while waiting for them to return or did they just evacuate to find a new home?"

Some evacuated. Some went searching for the Allspark. Some didn't have a chance to rot, seeing as they were ravaged by war and most likely killed in the midst.

"How long did it take for everything to die off after the allspark left?
I want answers damnit!! "

We don't honestly know the answer to that one, but we do know that it started dying immediately because they tore the sh*t out of the planet and one another.

Autobot032 wrote:
"I wonder if when Bumblebee encountered the Mars rover he recognized the reverse engineered Cybertronian technology (or it it technobiology in their case), and then knew where to go i.e. Earth."

We have no idea who that Cybertronian in the video is. It doesn't look too much like Bumblebee, and I seriously doubt he'd just destroy something he doesn't understand. That's not the Autobot way.

In the prequal comic they have blackout,starscream and barricade finding the probe. But its hard to take anything as the gospel with all the conflicting info out there.

Autobot032 wrote:

Unicron's Head wrote:I wonder if when Bumblebee encountered the Mars rover he recognized the reverse engineered Cybertronian technology (or it it technobiology in their case), and then knew where to go i.e. Earth.
And another thing, I got confused about the status of Cybertron in the movie. I kept hearing that it was dead either due to the war, the lack of the allspark, or both. I don't know, I don't want to beleive that. But we all know there's going to be new and different bots in the sequel-they're out there somewhere. It's a pretty safe assumption. But did they all evacuate after Optimus and the others left looking for the allspark? Did they themselves go looking for it out in the universe? Did most just slowly rot and die while waiting for them to return or did they just evacuate to find a new home? How long did it take for everything to die off after the allspark left?
I want answers damnit!! :)

"I wonder if when Bumblebee encountered the Mars rover he recognized the reverse engineered Cybertronian technology (or it it technobiology in their case), and then knew where to go i.e. Earth."

We have no idea who that Cybertronian in the video is. It doesn't look too much like Bumblebee, and I seriously doubt he'd just destroy something he doesn't understand. That's not the Autobot way.

"And another thing, I got confused about the status of Cybertron in the movie. I kept hearing that it was dead either due to the war, the lack of the allspark, or both. I don't know, I don't want to beleive that."

Over usage of planetary resources and constant battle ripped the planet apart. It was unable to sustain life. So yes, it was due to a lack of both.

"But we all know there's going to be new and different bots in the sequel-they're out there somewhere. It's a pretty safe assumption."

Of course they're out there. Otherwise Prime wouldn't have said (at the end) "I send this message to any Autobots taking refuge among the stars, we are here, and we are waiting." The Decepticons, while violent and irrational, aren't stupid. They too would jump ship.

"But did they all evacuate after Optimus and the others left looking for the allspark? Did they themselves go looking for it out in the universe? Did most just slowly rot and die while waiting for them to return or did they just evacuate to find a new home?"

Some evacuated. Some went searching for the Allspark. Some didn't have a chance to rot, seeing as they were ravaged by war and most likely killed in the midst.

"How long did it take for everything to die off after the allspark left?
I want answers damnit!! :)"

We don't honestly know the answer to that one, but we do know that it started dying immediately because they tore the sh*t out of the planet and one another.

The reference to Bumblebee and the Mars probe: in issue one of the prequel comic it shows in the photos that the TF on Mars was clearly Bumblebee. I should have elaborated. And yes, I do accept the comics as a branch of the canon. Always have.

Unicron's Head wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Unicron's Head wrote:I wonder if when Bumblebee encountered the Mars rover he recognized the reverse engineered Cybertronian technology (or it it technobiology in their case), and then knew where to go i.e. Earth.
And another thing, I got confused about the status of Cybertron in the movie. I kept hearing that it was dead either due to the war, the lack of the allspark, or both. I don't know, I don't want to beleive that. But we all know there's going to be new and different bots in the sequel-they're out there somewhere. It's a pretty safe assumption. But did they all evacuate after Optimus and the others left looking for the allspark? Did they themselves go looking for it out in the universe? Did most just slowly rot and die while waiting for them to return or did they just evacuate to find a new home? How long did it take for everything to die off after the allspark left?
I want answers damnit!!

"I wonder if when Bumblebee encountered the Mars rover he recognized the reverse engineered Cybertronian technology (or it it technobiology in their case), and then knew where to go i.e. Earth."

We have no idea who that Cybertronian in the video is. It doesn't look too much like Bumblebee, and I seriously doubt he'd just destroy something he doesn't understand. That's not the Autobot way.

"And another thing, I got confused about the status of Cybertron in the movie. I kept hearing that it was dead either due to the war, the lack of the allspark, or both. I don't know, I don't want to beleive that."

Over usage of planetary resources and constant battle ripped the planet apart. It was unable to sustain life. So yes, it was due to a lack of both.

"But we all know there's going to be new and different bots in the sequel-they're out there somewhere. It's a pretty safe assumption."

Of course they're out there. Otherwise Prime wouldn't have said (at the end) "I send this message to any Autobots taking refuge among the stars, we are here, and we are waiting." The Decepticons, while violent and irrational, aren't stupid. They too would jump ship.

"But did they all evacuate after Optimus and the others left looking for the allspark? Did they themselves go looking for it out in the universe? Did most just slowly rot and die while waiting for them to return or did they just evacuate to find a new home?"

Some evacuated. Some went searching for the Allspark. Some didn't have a chance to rot, seeing as they were ravaged by war and most likely killed in the midst.

"How long did it take for everything to die off after the allspark left?
I want answers damnit!! "

We don't honestly know the answer to that one, but we do know that it started dying immediately because they tore the sh*t out of the planet and one another.

The reference to Bumblebee and the Mars probe: in issue one of the prequel comic it shows in the photos that the TF on Mars was clearly Bumblebee. I should have elaborated. And yes, I do accept the comics as a branch of the canon. Always have.

The problem is, it's never said (in an official capacity by the filmmakers, or those involved, themselves) that it's part of the canon. That's the problem with all these extra products that come out. =\

...we could use a little confirmation.

But in the movie, it's said that the pic taken in Qatar (you know, the one that shows Blackout?) is the same as the pic taken right before the Beagle got skooshed. So wouldn't we then logically conclude that it was BLACKOUT who stepped on the Beagle?