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At one time, Jetfire and Screamer were best friend but they really moved apart. I always wonder what Jetfire would feel about Starscream's death at the hands of Galvastron. How would he feel or react towards Galvastron when he found out about it?

I would think that he wouldn't be moed at all. After Jet/Skyfire found out what the Decepticons were really like, I think he didn't care for Starscream anymore, so if he found out, he probably didn't give a crap.

I think he would have cared. Otherwise he would not hav felt the need to go to the Autobots.

Would make nice comic.

Bonger wrote:I think he would have cared. Otherwise he would not hav felt the need to go to the Autobots.

Would make nice comic.

Did Megatron just destroy Starscream in the Infiltration arc in the IDW series? I hope that bastard gets what he deserves one of these days! (excluding the movie)

Godzilla wrote:

Bonger wrote:I think he would have cared. Otherwise he would not hav felt the need to go to the Autobots.

Would make nice comic.

Did Megatron just destroy Starscream in the Infiltration arc in the IDW series? I hope that bastard gets what he deserves one of these days! (excluding the movie)

Well, I think he damaged him severely, but mentioned that he still seemed to be functioning.

i think he'd hav morned the loss of his friend, but i dont think that he'd have gone blind with revenge after galvatron

He probably would have mourned the loss, in private at least.

Well I don't think he would give a F*** for Starscreams death. Afterall SS tried to kill him a few times.

babylon queen wrote:At one time, Jetfire and Screamer were best friend but they really moved apart. I always wonder what Jetfire would feel about Starscream's death at the hands of Galvastron. How would he feel or react towards Galvastron when he found out about it?

In my mind, Starscream was another victom of Megatron's Robo-Smasher (The Secret of Omega Supreme). That would explain why a student of science would convert to being a student of war. That would mean that the Starscream of all those millions of years ago, would not be the same Starscream of present time. So for Skyfire, his friend had died all those millions of years ago and this other Starscream just took his place.

Raymond T. wrote:

babylon queen wrote:At one time, Jetfire and Screamer were best friend but they really moved apart. I always wonder what Jetfire would feel about Starscream's death at the hands of Galvastron. How would he feel or react towards Galvastron when he found out about it?

In my mind, Starscream was another victom of Megatron's Robo-Smasher (The Secret of Omega Supreme). That would explain why a student of science would convert to being a student of war. That would mean that the Starscream of all those millions of years ago, would not be the same Starscream of present time. So for Skyfire, his friend had died all those millions of years ago and this other Starscream just took his place.

I guess it would be like how the persona of Darth Vader 'consumed" Anakin in Star Wars. He didn't 'die' but it was like he became a differant person in a sense.

Zombie Starscream wrote:

Raymond T. wrote:

babylon queen wrote:At one time, Jetfire and Screamer were best friend but they really moved apart. I always wonder what Jetfire would feel about Starscream's death at the hands of Galvastron. How would he feel or react towards Galvastron when he found out about it?

In my mind, Starscream was another victom of Megatron's Robo-Smasher (The Secret of Omega Supreme). That would explain why a student of science would convert to being a student of war. That would mean that the Starscream of all those millions of years ago, would not be the same Starscream of present time. So for Skyfire, his friend had died all those millions of years ago and this other Starscream just took his place.

I guess it would be like how the persona of Darth Vader 'consumed" Anakin in Star Wars. He didn't 'die' but it was like he became a differant person in a sense.

Possible, but I don't see why you would need the Robo-smasher (I hate that episode) to achieve that, the horrors of war & politics of the time may have been enough. After all, Palpatine didn't need a jedi-smasher to turn Anakin in to Vader.

Raymond T. wrote:

babylon queen wrote:At one time, Jetfire and Screamer were best friend but they really moved apart. I always wonder what Jetfire would feel about Starscream's death at the hands of Galvastron. How would he feel or react towards Galvastron when he found out about it?

In my mind, Starscream was another victom of Megatron's Robo-Smasher (The Secret of Omega Supreme). That would explain why a student of science would convert to being a student of war. That would mean that the Starscream of all those millions of years ago, would not be the same Starscream of present time. So for Skyfire, his friend had died all those millions of years ago and this other Starscream just took his place.

that is an interesting theory. I figured Starscream just joined the war effort shortly after his friend went missing.

What is the Robo-Smasher?

Zombie Starscream wrote:What is the Robo-Smasher?

It's this retarded looking mashin Megatron made.
Link:
http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Robo-Smasher

Dead Metal wrote:

Zombie Starscream wrote:What is the Robo-Smasher?

It's this retarded looking mashin Megatron made.
Link:
http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Robo-Smasher

So seeing that, wouldn't it mean that whomever was forciably 'converted' is still innocent of the evil deeds they commit, because it in a sense is not them?

Uncrazzimatic wrote:

Zombie Starscream wrote:

Raymond T. wrote:

babylon queen wrote:At one time, Jetfire and Screamer were best friend but they really moved apart. I always wonder what Jetfire would feel about Starscream's death at the hands of Galvastron. How would he feel or react towards Galvastron when he found out about it?

In my mind, Starscream was another victom of Megatron's Robo-Smasher (The Secret of Omega Supreme). That would explain why a student of science would convert to being a student of war. That would mean that the Starscream of all those millions of years ago, would not be the same Starscream of present time. So for Skyfire, his friend had died all those millions of years ago and this other Starscream just took his place.

I guess it would be like how the persona of Darth Vader 'consumed" Anakin in Star Wars. He didn't 'die' but it was like he became a differant person in a sense.

Possible, but I don't see why you would need the Robo-smasher (I hate that episode) to achieve that, the horrors of war & politics of the time may have been enough. After all, Palpatine didn't need a jedi-smasher to turn Anakin in to Vader.

Anakin went from Jedi Fighter to Sith Fighter. As the whole story of StarWars explains, the difference between the two is a thin line. Not to mention that the fear was already in him as a young boy.

Starscream went from scientist and explorer of foreign planets, to the pride of the Decepticon War Academy. From searching the globe for his missing friend, to shooting his friend in the chest for opposing his order. That is a rather big switch in personality. It is that big difference in Starscream's persona that confused Skyfire for the better part of the episode. The same kind of confusion Omega Supreme experienced when the Constructicons were altered by the Robo-Smasher. Why there is so much of a difference between Starscream before the war and in present day, was not explained. So that was always my thinking. And they did say Megatron used the Robo-Smasher to fill his army.

Zombie Starscream wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Zombie Starscream wrote:What is the Robo-Smasher?

It's this retarded looking mashin Megatron made.
Link:
http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Robo-Smasher

So seeing that, wouldn't it mean that whomever was forciably 'converted' is still innocent of the evil deeds they commit, because it in a sense is not them?

I'm not one to often bring Beast Machines into the conversation, but the Rhinox/Tankor angle is best to describe it. During Beast Machines, as the Maximals learn that Tankor used to be Rhinox, they mourn the loss of Rhinox and prepare to fight him as Tankor. I think you could see this the same way. Same knowledge, same experience, but a different personality. And of course, just showing that his forces are actually made up of brainwashed soldier does show you how evil (G1) Megatron could be.

I was also wondering if his change in personality might also been in what he came to believe?
It has been said at times that for the right things, you can make a man do unspeakable evil. It is probable that there were things in the Decepticon ideal and creedance that really appealed to Starscream. Power, Glory, Dominance. It may have awoken the dark nature that was really inside of him, and not even Skyfire who was a close friend of his knew what really lay inside of Starscream. What a lot of people to me seem to say about people who commit evil "I didn't know he/she was even capable of doing that sort of thing. It is so not like them, to do that." And usually they are very shocked, because the person seemed before that to be decent and good. When he joined, he was probably stillvery much the person Skyfire knew. But as he got more indoctrinated over time and the Decepticon ideals became his own, he became a changed man. He probably joined at first for reasons that were seen as good, but later got corrupted.

I wonder, did Megatron build the Robot-Smasher himself, or did Starscream do it for him?

I think JetFire would have mourned, but I don't think he would show it. Besides, close friends, torned by tragedy, could really hate each other or even try to kill each other, but they won't admit they still care about each other. Well, I like to believe that, but not always true...I guess.

Robot Smasher could have been bulit by Starscream, he was the smart one, but I think that was Megatron's thing, brainwashing.

Zombie Starscream wrote:I was also wondering if his change in personality might also been in what he came to believe?
It has been said at times that for the right things, you can make a man do unspeakable evil. It is probable that there were things in the Decepticon ideal and creedance that really appealed to Starscream. Power, Glory, Dominance. It may have awoken the dark nature that was really inside of him, and not even Skyfire who was a close friend of his knew what really lay inside of Starscream. What a lot of people to me seem to say about people who commit evil "I didn't know he/she was even capable of doing that sort of thing. It is so not like them, to do that." And usually they are very shocked, because the person seemed before that to be decent and good. When he joined, he was probably stillvery much the person Skyfire knew. But as he got more indoctrinated over time and the Decepticon ideals became his own, he became a changed man. He probably joined at first for reasons that were seen as good, but later got corrupted.

I wonder, did Megatron build the Robot-Smasher himself, or did Starscream do it for him?

My point exactly. There are no people who are 'good' or 'evil' no matter what happens to them, everyone can be changed in extreme circumstances. For example Hitler originaly wanted to go to art college before joining the army.

Do we have any evidence of what Starscream was like BEFORE he joined the war?

And Jetfire would probably feel saddened by Starscream's untimely death - as well as the death of goodness inside his former friend AND the friendship itself.

But Jetfire would also privately feel satisfied that Starscream got it "coming", though.

Screambug wrote:Do we have any evidence of what Starscream was like BEFORE he joined the war?

And Jetfire would probably feel saddened by Starscream's untimely death - as well as the death of goodness inside his former friend AND the friendship itself.

But Jetfire would also privately feel satisfied that Starscream got it "coming", though.

All I can think of from the little I know is that Starscream was a scientist, though whether he just explored planets or he did other things, I don't know. I know he invented the 'null ray' but anything else, I have no clue. As to what his personality might have been like before, I can posit a theory: He might have been driven to be the best in his fields. He might have fed on the glory and accolades that science can bring to discoveries, just like some Earth scientists do. He would want approval, and for people to laud him as the best. Eventually he might have strived to become the preeminant scientist, the best of the best, the top guy. He would want to be thought of as better then anyone else. He probably didn't like criticism, as he might have thought it was a personal attack on him and his 'greatness.' A guy like that can be very insecure at times, and might think, "If I get to the very top position, all my problems will go away, everybody will listen to me, I will get respect and be liked."
All this doesn't mean that he was a mean guy in the beginning, he could have been very nice. In fact he probably was very nice. But he had some real character flaws also.

His friend probably put up a lot with Starscream's quirks, but he still liked him I think. He would probably have mourned that he lost a great friend to the idealogies of the Decepticons, and when Galvatron killed Starscream, he would be sadder still but knew it was only a matter of time.

i think he would have mourned deeply, and I don;t think the Robo-Smasher got to Screamer. Personally i think losing Skyfire brought out his dark side.

I think it was his helplessness at not being able to save Skyfire, to be so out of control of the situation, that brought out a desire for power. If he was in command, such things..such weakness would not exist. It would be an all consuming mania that grew into the ambition we know as his signature.

Listen to the tone of voice Starscream uses when he tells Megatron of his old friend. It is an unnatural softness for him...and yet on further views..somewhat sad. I think he was ashamed that he found Skyfire after falling so far from being the man he once was. Though this can be chalked up to fanon as G1 Cons got the Snidley Whiplash treatment (I am a bad guy there I am evil because it's fun, nuff said). As for their falling out, I attributed to Screamer covering his own ass. He acted that way due to the fact that Megatron might suspect him of joining in on the betrayal. After all they were old friends, suspicion would only be natural, but I can also see something in it like the aforementioned Anakin like madness.

Dynamax wrote:Personally i think losing Skyfire brought out his dark side.

I think it was his helplessness at not being able to save Skyfire, to be so out of control of the situation, that brought out a desire for power. If he was in command, such things..such weakness would not exist. It would be an all consuming mania that grew into the ambition we know as his signature.

I like this fan-explanation the best so far.