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Who's more unstoppable?
I'm completely even on this one, I honestly don't know if this fight could end, or who would win it.

Hulk would win.

Hulk strongest there is. Hulk smash puny jug-a-not

seriously, if hulk tought ol juggs was even near as strong he would get so pissed he'd get stronger. probably hurl juggs into space. hulk has held a planet together, juggs cant compair.

i see jug chargin hulk, and hulk flinging juggs into the stratosphere

hulk. hes just to strong for ole juggs

Hulk. If I recall, he already won this fight during World War Hulk.

If Battle field removal is a win, then the Hulk can defeat Juggernaut easily, as more often than not the fight ends with Cain being launched into another state. While Cain is immune to any damage the hulk does, he can usually gets knocked away before he can put the hulk down.

If you were put both them in an indestructible cage match neither could leave till one of them was rendered unable to fight, Cain would eventually defeat the hulk.(might be a really really long fight.) In reality very few characters can actually harm Juggernaut in any lasting way. He can shrug off Thor's godblast which sent Galactus running. All it did was stop his advanced as it's one of the few times in history he's been "stopped" due to his reality warping effect. The list of characters who could defeat Cain in this setting is a really short list.

Cain can regen from nothing but a skeleton, unless you have some sort of means of attacking him psychicly, magically, or have such extreme lvls of damage he can not be defeated physically.(often in the hulks own comic Cain would be kicking his butt till his helmet came off, and some outside force mentally wrecks him.) Cain litterally can not die, as he never needs eat sleep, or breath, he never tires.

The Hulk begun mirror Cain in recent years of needing less and less requirements to survive, but in the past he'd eventually fizzle out while Cain would chug along without a probelm. The hulk still has limits to his stamina regardless how great they've become, as some point he will give out. Just trust me you wouldn't want to be where ever this fight was taking place heh.

Lastjustice wrote:If Battle field removal is a win, then the Hulk can defeat Juggernaut easily, as more often than not the fight ends with Cain being launched into another state. While Cain is immune to any damage the hulk does, he can usually gets knocked away before he can put the hulk down.

If you were put both them in an indestructible cage match neither could leave till one of them was rendered unable to fight, Cain would eventually defeat the hulk.(might be a really really long fight.) In reality very few characters can actually harm Juggernaut in any lasting way. He can shrug off Thor's godblast which sent Galactus running. All it did was stop his advanced as it's one of the few times in history he's been "stopped" due to his reality warping effect. The list of characters who could defeat Cain in this setting is a really short list.

Cain can regen from nothing but a skeleton, unless you have some sort of means of attacking him psychicly, magically, or have such extreme lvls of damage he can not be defeated physically.(often in the hulks own comic Cain would be kicking his butt till his helmet came off, and some outside force mentally wrecks him.) Cain litterally can not die, as he never needs eat sleep, or breath, he never tires.

The Hulk begun mirror Cain in recent years of needing less and less requirements to survive, but in the past he'd eventually fizzle out while Cain would chug along without a probelm. The hulk still has limits to his stamina regardless how great they've become, as some point he will give out. Just trust me you wouldn't want to be where ever this fight was taking place heh.

HAve you read "World war HUlk?" it really shows you hulk is alot more powerful than we previously thought... and the only thing scarier than an angry hulk is a genuinly pissed off Bruce Banner...

Name_Violation wrote:
HAve you read "World war HUlk?" it really shows you hulk is alot more powerful than we previously thought... and the only thing scarier than an angry hulk is a genuinly pissed off Bruce Banner...

He still battlefield removaled Cain rather than fight him when Cain returned to full power. That pretty much proved my point. If he could beat down Cain he would have, as he did when Cain was depowered by using his power from Cyttorak for noble purposes not destruction. At his full power not even the world war Hulk can physically damage him in any lasting way.

World War hulk isn't the Hulks normal operating power lvls, as he was defeated by the red hulk when they intially fought. The hulk is powerful as heck, but he isn't always mad enough to win. If people allow him time, it will blow up in their face, but if they ruthless beat him down early on his strength and defenses might not have caught up with his foes power lvl yet.

Thats pretty much why Abombination always had the early lead over the hulk in fights because his strength lvl is higher than the hulks base. Juggernaut would be the same way, as he often would be winning before some sort of X factor (litterally X factor of professor X hehe.) would mentally assault him. Basically the juggernauts whole MO is you can't physically beat him. You can toss him away(which he can always come back, as his reality warping effect allows him walk on air, or will himself forward, or just teleport back.), you can mindrape him, but you can't punch him to death. Juggernaut is the most indestructible character in comics.

The hulk plays too much to Cain's strengths, just luckily for the Hulk he can toss Cain several county lines over to end the fight if there isnt a friendly psychic to help him. (like how Gladitor tossed him away in the animated series.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_Ca ... Juggernaut!

spider-man stopped jugs with wet cement. Try pullin that on the hulk

The entity Beyonder once claimed that the Hulk's potential strength had "no finite element inside". His durability, healing, and endurance also increase in proportion to his temper. Greg Pak described the Hulk shown during World War Hulk as having a level of physical power where "Hulk was stronger than any mortal --and most immortals-- who ever walked the Earth."

even if hulk won't win at the beginning, that will just piss him off more. ANd hulk has regen too.

ALso this is shearly green hulk, a gray smart hulk is worse...

Name_Violation wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_Can_Stop_the_Juggernaut!

spider-man stopped jugs with wet cement. Try pullin that on the hulk

The entity Beyonder once claimed that the Hulk's potential strength had "no finite element inside". His durability, healing, and endurance also increase in proportion to his temper. Greg Pak described the Hulk shown during World War Hulk as having a level of physical power where "Hulk was stronger than any mortal --and most immortals-- who ever walked the Earth."

even if hulk won't win at the beginning, that will just piss him off more. ANd hulk has regen too.

ALso this is shearly green hulk, a gray smart hulk is worse...

Considering Juggernaut actually tossed the hulk into quicksand while in a south american jungle once and beat him that way(Cain was out of his outfit so the hulk didnt know it was him.), it wouldn't much of a stretch. Also spiderman defeated Firelord, he beats people he shouldn't all the time, as Spiderman shouldn't be able to touch a Herald of galactus. Theres absolutely reason this feat should have happened besides being chalked up as a low showing. It's like when someone covered Superman in some super dense liquid steel and he fell to the ground...the guy moves planets, this was clearly a fluke of bad writing.

Yes the Hulk has no limit, but he has to get there as he isnt always in World war mode.(setting makes all the difference in versus threads) Juggernaut has a head start. Just as I said in my first post, he can be removed, thats why the hulk would win, but cause he cann't ever defeat the juggernaut physically, as in beat him till he submitted or was knocked out becase it's never happened. The Hulk has been physically defeated many times(once by a large Snake if you wanna count low showings). You do the math.

Yeah I'm totally Forgoing numerous paragraphs for the sake of "having a life " and saying the hulk would win

Hulk wins this eve if this where a cannon fight to the death, Hulk is more popular which is proven by the 3 TV series, and 2 Movies and the continual running comic series. You can't answer that by saying "Juggsy is a Supervillain and Supervillains don't have own series!" Well Venom (who beat Juggsy in one story ark, after almost being killed by him before) had, Mobious had and Carnage had, herm all of em are Spider-Man villains, seems to prove that he has the best and most popular villains in the Marvel Universe.
Did the Juggernaut get his own series?

Hulk would win because he is infinately strong.
Juggernaut is literally unstoppable though so it would be close.

Hulk's beaten the Juggernaut every single time they've ever fought. He's knocked him into space, and across a country and into the deepest part of the ocean that Cain landed in. Juggernaut's tough enough to take a beating from the Hulk and come back for more, but he's nowhere in Hulk's strength level.

Dead Metal wrote:Hulk wins this eve if this where a cannon fight to the death, Hulk is more popular which is proven by the 3 TV series, and 2 Movies and the continual running comic series. You can't answer that by saying "Jugg is a Supervillain and Supervillains don't have own series!" Well Venom (who beat Jugg in one story ark, after almost being killed by him before) had, Mobious had and Carnage had, herm all of em are Spider-Man villains, seems to prove that he has the best and most popular villains in the Marvel Universe.
Did the Juggernaut get his own series?

What does Popularity have to do with it? I mean by that logic Batman would defeat the juggernaut despite if we tossed both in a cage match where neither could leave with no prep time he wouldn't have a shot in hell. Sure characters do win due to popularity, (wolverine defeated Lobo off panel in DC vs Marvel due to it.) but in a versus thread simply weighting strengths versus weaknesses , stat for stat, that cop out has no place here. Those in general usually lead to bad writing. (which batman has plenty of instances of.) Which Cain has had the spotlight about him thru out comics history, I mean entire team books have issues for him, such as the avengers 8th day and dozens of Xmen issues. He's also had short runs of his own.(Juggernaut #1 April 1997)

That being said, Juggernaut can not be physically killed by anyone. Not even the Hulk, as they say this during the onslaught arc. He's regenerated from a skeleton after magical blasts tore away all his armor and flesh. Juggernaut can not be physically beaten. It's just that simple. (why he was an xmen foe, as Professor X and Jean both use their mind powers to stop him. They wanted a foe who you couldn't simply punch into submission.) While battlefield removal is often how he loses, that isn't the same as KOing your foe, which people have KOed the hulk at various points. (which Red hulk defeated the green one in his intial appearance.

They've fought numerous times. I don't have the comic reference (sorry) but Juggernaut has bested Hulk on a couple of ocassions, generally when he gets the KO punch before Hulk has time to get mad enough. We've got to ask which hulk. Juggernaut could beat gray Hulk and possibly Professor Hulk, but against the savage Hulk, once Hulk realized that Juggernaut was stronger than him, it would cause him to become angry enough to gain that extra edge, and as we all know "Madder Hulk get, stronger Hulk become!"

Winner: Savage Hulk

Both are impossible. Good sense prevails.