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While whatching the movie tonight i noticed after devastator has combined they show Mixmaster and long haul fighting the autobots in the town. all the while Devastator is on top of the pyrimid...

WTF?

Ya and Rampage...hes suppose to be the left leg, but hes fighting and is red. I noticed that also tonight. Here are a few others I noticed,

-Wheelie(rc truck) tells the kids that the ones that know the ancient writing are in hiding and are Decepticons. When they go to revive Jetfire, they find the Decepticon logo and are horrified....

-They also show bonecrusher in the desert when all the decepticons get to them in Egypt, yet never shown transforming and fighting. It's possible I missed him. I think I also saw Brawl (A.k.a Devastator, because Bay liked it better), but I could be wrong.

-Jolt(blue car) is the one that helps put Jetfire on Optimus. He is only in the movie 2 or 3 times really fast. When they are surrounded by the military and told to go back to the base when Optimus was dead, it was Iron Hide, Ratchet, and Sideswipe...yet for a few seconds they show Jolt there also then hes gone. Hes there then gone...He was never shown when they showed the new Autobots in the beginning either.

-What happened to the twins? Skids & Mudflap.

-Arcee, Chromia, and Elita one are the girls, yet are only called "Arcee twins" by lenox. They also didn't look like they died, but bay said he killed them/Arcee here:
http://transformers.moviechronicles.com ... cter-death

There are more, but I am very tired. There were alot more mistakes in this movie than the last one. Such a disappointment. I am so sick of Micheal Bay. It's almost like he doesn't like Transformers, he just wants to make money off of people who do. I know he likes them, but he even talks about changing the Transformers to fit his needs, the way HE THINKS they should be (see the special features in the first movie DVD or the second disk of the first movie). I am sad to say I love Transformers so much that I can't support the Revenge of the Fallen. I am glad I rented it. It's not work owning to me. No Transformers theme music, humans have to much of a roll, EVERY AUTOBOT IS A FREAKIN CHEVY aside from Jetfire who dies, some really dumb jokes, to much of Megan Fox(sorry go google her if you want to see her that much), and directing was just crap.

HERE IS A POSSIBLE BIG SPOILER FOR THE 3RD MOVIE:

IRONHIDE. Chevy no longer makes the "topkick". The big GMC/Chevy Ironhide is will not be made past this year. Production actually has already stopped. Here is a quick link about it:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... tml?cat=27

Now EVERYONE knows that Micheal Bay is neck deep in Chevy and the Government(government now holds most the shares of General Motors owning them). If they don't make it anymore, they will most LIKELY change Ironhide. If they keep Ironhide the same....I would be seriously suprised. I think we should all see a red jacked up work van in the near future.............ya right..wishful thinking, but I doubt he will stay the same truck.Sucks because him and Prime are my fav in the movie.

Leave it to Bay to ruin childhood memories.

-For the whole devastator thing: its been discused before, and so far the theory that makes the most sense is the Devastator is a sinlge entity that is too big to have one alt mode, so he has several tinier ones. And Mixmaster, Loung Haul, Rampage, and so on, are all just single robots.

-The reason Jolt is bearly in it, is because he was a last minute addition to the movie. Bay did it to impress the supplier (GM).

-Lennox is actually saying "Arcee, Twins". As in, hes addressing both the Arcess and the Twins at the same time.

-Bay said that he WOULD LIKE to kill Arcee cause he didn't like her as a character.

-Every autobot is a chevy, because GM is the supplier of most of the cars and trucks for the movies. But, the chevys that are chosen are the best they could get for character (Even though they could be better...)

-As for Ironhide. The reason GM isn't making the Topkick anymore is because not enough people were buying them.

-I like your idea for a jacked up van XD.

Jet Judo 101 wrote:-For the whole devastator thing: its been discused before, and so far the theory that makes the most sense is the Devastator is a sinlge entity that is too big to have one alt mode, so he has several tinier ones. And Mixmaster, Loung Haul, Rampage, and so on, are all just single robots.

-The reason Jolt is bearly in it, is because he was a last minute addition to the movie. Bay did it to impress the supplier (GM).

-Lennox is actually saying "Arcee, Twins". As in, hes addressing both the Arcess and the Twins at the same time.

-Bay said that he WOULD LIKE to kill Arcee cause he didn't like her as a character.

-Every autobot is a chevy, because GM is the supplier of most of the cars and trucks for the movies. But, the chevys that are chosen are the best they could get for character (Even though they could be better...)

-As for Ironhide. The reason GM isn't making the Topkick anymore is because not enough people were buying them.

-I like your idea for a jacked up van XD.

Still sounded like Arcee Twins as in 1 person, but I could totally be wrong. I didn't think enough to play it again.

Ya reason they are not making topkick is same reason they got rid of the Camaro and a few others in the first place...over priced and not enough people bought them. You are correct sir.

I disagree with them finding the best one for each autobots, well..AT LEAST bumblebee...he shouldn't of been a sports car haha. He could of at least kept them the same damn colors...? I mean yes Big ass black truck fits an Ironhide type character, but cmon wasn't that the point? How scary is a red work van until its flattening steel into the ground with his fists???hmmmm? lol

The sad truth to this entire thing is this: Transformers will never get any better as far as the story lines go. No matter who he brings into the 3rd one...it will never be the same. I mean who was dissapointed with Devastator? Who was sad there was no Grimlock to foolishly attack Devastator? Who almost cried when they made jetfire an old man only to die(I know you all did when Prime did..I was really ticked off..but it turned out to be ok)? Who wanted Sideswipe to be a Red Lamborghini? I am done complaining though. I just hope and pray someone makes a G2 series to the first G1 that goes along with it. Not change it to be some anime, power ranger crap.

PS.Also the reason he used GM's is not just because they would supply them, although that is also true. Advertising for the governent is more the reason, but I do not want to get into a debate about this part because this is not the place for it, but please feel free to pm or make another post and send me the link I will gladly discuss this. I will say that it is not proven, but I can show things that point to it.

Jetfire is a Decepticon, he is just tired of the war and Megatron so he becomes good. And there are many constructicons in the movie not just the ones that make up Devastator.

Jet Judo 101 wrote:-For the whole devastator thing: its been discused before, and so far the theory that makes the most sense is the Devastator is a sinlge entity that is too big to have one alt mode, so he has several tinier ones. And Mixmaster, Loung Haul, Rampage, and so on, are all just single robots.

I just reread that. It still doesn't make sense anyway in anyway. Unless there are twins, but then what about Rampage? He is yellow in Devastator, then hes Red when letting go of the parents. Now we could say they are different ones, but then why are they that in the toy? Just doesn't make sense. I still can't figure out why the original 6 couldn't of been in the new movie...oh ya the bonecrusher thing...they still have 2 Devastators in both movies...stupid Bay.

Anyways sorry for the long speech, but here is a possibility on the matter with Rampage, mixmaster, and longhaul. Maybe the CGI guys thought they where gonna fight before turning into Devastator? Even if that was so....it shows a few dieing, but then it could of been intended to be after Devastator gets shot? That could make sense seeing how he prob didn't die. Only problem with that is they still showed them at the same time. Either way or whatever way...still poor details. Sloppy. I want a leader class G1 devastator made new. Like movie quality. I should just make em hahaha

Explanations:
1. They wanted to spare as much money on CG as they could,, so they re-used every modell they could (it's even worse than the drones used in the japanese cartoons)

2. There are multiple combiner teams amongst the decepticons, and since one of the combiner core-characters was killed in the start of the movie, there was a team sent to Earth that couldn't merge, thus, fighting in separate forms.

I think Devastator is one robot with several vehicles as his alt mode, like Tidal Wave in Armada. The biggest problem with him being made of other robots is that Long Haul and Rampage are supposed to make his legs, but Long Haul is several times bigger than Rampage.

Metal Monkey wrote:-They also show bonecrusher in the desert when all the decepticons get to them in Egypt, yet never shown transforming and fighting.

You can see him transformed in the background of the scene where Arcee gets hit by a missle (or whatever hits her).

Cyber Bishop wrote:

Metal Monkey wrote:-They also show bonecrusher in the desert when all the decepticons get to them in Egypt, yet never shown transforming and fighting.

You can see him transformed in the background of the scene where Arcee gets hit by a missle (or whatever hits her).

Metal Monkey wrote:-They also show bonecrusher in the desert when all the decepticons get to them in Egypt, yet never shown transforming and fighting. It's possible I missed him.I think I also saw Brawl (A.k.a Devastator, because Bay liked it better), but I could be wrong.

I figure I would have missed a few possibly, was rather crowded with robo modes and proto modes. Also, If you are going to correct me and quote me at the same time, please put the rest of it...I said I may have missed it. The way you quoted me....well you know...

Ok lets field this then..

- Devastator in the first film was typo, it wasnt actually said as the sound it makes actually sounds like Brawl. (I jokingly refer to him as Brawlvastator) The toy and video game both use the correct name to reinforce that.

- Devastator is composed up his own set of vechiles, as the constructicons are their own seperate entites. The Toy intially released mirror this, as both the CGI and toy makers couldn't intially come up with a decent looking limb and robot mode for the same vechiles. Why the constructicons toys couldnt form devastator, and Devastator's limbs for the toy didnt turn into robots, it was actually movie accurate heh.

If there was only one set of constructicons, they wouldn't been able form devastator since the largest piece of it would been dead in the opening battle as Demolisher is the same vechile as the torso. Scrapper gets killed to fix megatron, so there goes two, it basically was easier make doubles to get around it. Long Haul was a dump truck, but the one that formed Devastator was actually smaller than he is.

This has happened plenty in the past, as there was multiple seekers who all turned into same Jet for most part. Why does the movie verse get thrown under the bus for repeats? I mean i didnt see the sign that stated no transformers in the movie verse will ever share same alt mode as another.

- Blackout died, and Grindor was the replace killer helicoptor, which he was actually bigger than Blackout since he was a larger alt mode. Bonecrusher was killed , another con just used same alt, as there was a huge army of them.

- Lennox yells for the Twins and Arcee to intercept Sideways. He was not calling them the Arcee-twins(which there's triplelets so that wouldnt make much sense.), he just was in a hurry. You clearly saw Mudflap, Skids, and the Arcee collective in pursuit of sideways to support this. Arcee is identified as simply Arcee(same with the comics) when she's in the trailer and all three bikes hologram riders appear, she replies locked and loaded in a single response not three seperate ones.

- As for the Chevy bots, I dont mind since they havent picked any really ugly vechiles for alt forms.I dont believe that Ironhide will receive a new form. If Sideswipe can be a custom stringray corvette thats not even on the market Jazz was a concept Solstice, and Bumble bee was a camaro when Camaros were discontinued. With that all factored together, I dont see why Ironhide would be changed.

the only alt form i have an issue with was Arcee, as if she wasnt big enough as a single firebolt motorcycle , then scrape that idea and just made her a car like in G1....duh. Over all Arcee was pure fail as a concept with them tossing out the combiner mode idea (which their concept looked meh.), they could played up her being a smaller bot and fought against Alice. So much could been done with her or had Meghan and her team up and reversed the line, I'll shoot and you drive hehe.

- This is not a Love letter to G1. I honestly get kind of irked at people expecting it to be more like it as a carbon copy.(watch the DVD extras of 25 years, it will flat out state that they are not trying ever recreate G1 in any new products as they want to keep it fresh.) I like the new versions of Rachet and Ironhide. Sideswipe was bad ass regardless of the color...I was just mad I didn't see more of him.

Theres been multiple versions of so many characters, I mean you dont seem be mad Rampage was a bulldozer not a psycho tiger who made Predaking or a Crab like in Beast wars(which X was awesome, but I find people who could enjoy stuff like BWs beyond G1 accept new changes better than people who are GEEWUNNERS). While some characters seem have Definative versions (like Movie Blackout is the definative Blackout as all characters bearing this name will likely reference it as animated did because hes pure awesome.)as Prime is still a truck, Megatron is silver/metalic grey war machine and has a huge cannon, some basic stuff sticks as they need keep what looks are iconic to a degree. But they make each character have their own unique enough look that they are an individual. I love both G1's Silverbolt and BW's version; there's enough room in my mind and heart for new breeds/takes of old characters. Long as I can enjoy them them I can overlook it not being the same.


- Revenge of the Fallen is not my dream transformers movie, but I dont think Hollywood can afford make the movie in my head haha. It does a pretty damn good job over all. Im happy enough so far, but Im hoping for more next time around.

Metal Monkey wrote:

Jet Judo 101 wrote:-For the whole devastator thing: its been discused before, and so far the theory that makes the most sense is the Devastator is a sinlge entity that is too big to have one alt mode, so he has several tinier ones. And Mixmaster, Loung Haul, Rampage, and so on, are all just single robots.

I just reread that. It still doesn't make sense anyway in anyway. Unless there are twins, but then what about Rampage? He is yellow in Devastator, then hes Red when letting go of the parents. Now we could say they are different ones, but then why are they that in the toy? Just doesn't make sense. I still can't figure out why the original 6 couldn't of been in the new movie...oh ya the bonecrusher thing...they still have 2 Devastators in both movies...stupid Bay.

Anyways sorry for the long speech, but here is a possibility on the matter with Rampage, mixmaster, and longhaul. Maybe the CGI guys thought they where gonna fight before turning into Devastator? Even if that was so....it shows a few dieing, but then it could of been intended to be after Devastator gets shot? That could make sense seeing how he prob didn't die. Only problem with that is they still showed them at the same time. Either way or whatever way...still poor details. Sloppy. I want a leader class G1 devastator made new. Like movie quality. I should just make em hahaha

What is hard to get here. Two different robots took the same vehicle form.

Lastjustice wrote:Ok lets field this then..

- Devastator in the first film was typo, it wasnt actually said as the sound it makes actually sounds like Brawl. (I jokingly refer to him as Brawlvastator) The toy and video game both use the correct name to reinforce that.

- Devastator is composed up his own set of vechiles, as the constructicons are their own seperate entites. The Toy intially released mirror this, as both the CGI and toy makers couldn't intially come up with a decent looking limb and robot mode for the same vechiles. Why the constructicons toys couldnt form devastator, and Devastator's limbs for the toy didnt turn into robots, it was actually movie accurate heh.

If there was only one set of constructicons, they wouldn't been able form devastator since the largest piece of it would been dead in the opening battle as Demolisher is the same vechile as the torso. Scrapper gets killed to fix megatron, so there goes two, it basically was easier make doubles to get around it. Long Haul was a dump truck, but the one that formed Devastator was actually smaller than he is.

This has happened plenty in the past, as there was multiple seekers who all turned into same Jet for most part. Why does the movie verse get thrown under the bus for repeats? I mean i didnt see the sign that stated no transformers in the movie verse will ever share same alt mode as another.

- Blackout died, and Grindor was the replace killer helicoptor, which he was actually bigger than Blackout since he was a larger alt mode. Bonecrusher was killed , another con just used same alt, as there was a huge army of them.

- Lennox yells for the Twins and Arcee to intercept Sideways. He was not calling them the Arcee-twins(which there's triplelets so that wouldnt make much sense.), he just was in a hurry. You clearly saw Mudflap, Skids, and the Arcee collective in pursuit of sideways to support this. Arcee is identified as simply Arcee(same with the comics) when she's in the trailer and all three bikes hologram riders appear, she replies locked and loaded in a single response not three seperate ones.

- As for the Chevy bots, I dont mind since they havent picked any really ugly vechiles for alt forms.I dont believe that Ironhide will receive a new form. If Sideswipe can be a custom stringray corvette thats not even on the market Jazz was a concept Solstice, and Bumble bee was a camaro when Camaros were discontinued. With that all factored together, I dont see why Ironhide would be changed.

the only alt form i have an issue with was Arcee, as if she wasnt big enough as a single firebolt motorcycle , then scrape that idea and just made her a car like in G1....duh. Over all Arcee was pure fail as a concept with them tossing out the combiner mode idea (which their concept looked meh.), they could played up her being a smaller bot and fought against Alice. So much could been done with her or had Meghan and her team up and reversed the line, I'll shoot and you drive hehe.

- This is not a Love letter to G1. I honestly get kind of irked at people expecting it to be more like it as a carbon copy.(watch the DVD extras of 25 years, it will flat out state that they are not trying ever recreate G1 in any new products as they want to keep it fresh.) I like the new versions of Rachet and Ironhide. Sideswipe was bad ass regardless of the color...I was just mad I didn't see more of him.

Theres been multiple versions of so many characters, I mean you dont seem be mad Rampage was a bulldozer not a psycho tiger who made Predaking or a Crab like in Beast wars(which X was awesome, but I find people who could enjoy stuff like BWs beyond G1 accept new changes better than people who are GEEWUNNERS). While some characters seem have Definative versions (like Movie Blackout is the definative Blackout as all characters bearing this name will likely reference it as animated did because hes pure awesome.)as Prime is still a truck, Megatron is silver/metalic grey war machine and has a huge cannon, some basic stuff sticks as they need keep what looks are iconic to a degree. But they make each character have their own unique enough look that they are an individual. I love both G1's Silverbolt and BW's version; there's enough room in my mind and heart for new breeds/takes of old characters. Long as I can enjoy them them I can overlook it not being the same.


- Revenge of the Fallen is not my dream transformers movie, but I dont think Hollywood can afford make the movie in my head haha. It does a pretty damn good job over all. Im happy enough so far, but Im hoping for more next time around.

I should have just quoted this instead of making my last post.

Lastjustice wrote:Ok lets field this then..

- Devastator in the first film was typo, it wasnt actually said as the sound it makes actually sounds like Brawl. (I jokingly refer to him as Brawlvastator) The toy and video game both use the correct name to reinforce that.

No it was not a typo. Micheal Bay said in the special features interview that he changed it because he thought it fit better and like it more. He said this...

Lastjustice wrote:If there was only one set of constructicons, they wouldn't been able form devastator since the largest piece of it would been dead in the opening battle as Demolisher is the same vechile as the torso. Scrapper gets killed to fix megatron, so there goes two, it basically was easier make doubles to get around it. Long Haul was a dump truck, but the one that formed Devastator was actually smaller than he is.

Demolisher is suppose to be different than Scvnger that is in Devastator as seen here they are suppose to be the sameish. http://robotkingdom.com/services/eshop/ ... =us&CatID=
They are pretty much the same thing, but not. Little confusion, but easier to explain.

Lastjustice wrote:- As for the Chevy bots, I dont mind since they havent picked any really ugly vechiles for alt forms.I dont believe that Ironhide will receive a new form. If Sideswipe can be a custom stringray corvette thats not even on the market Jazz was a concept Solstice, and Bumble bee was a camaro when Camaros were discontinued. With that all factored together, I dont see why Ironhide would be changed.

Jazz was a model that was made. Custom top yes. Bumblebee was a Camaro that WAS going to be released. Chevy was already tooling up for it when Transformers got a hold of it. I think they will change Ironhide for the simple fact that Bay is advertising the crap out of them. Why would they advertise a discontinued model? They may keep it, not sure. It was an opinion that I see as a possibility. The Stingray was just to do something cool I guess. I'm sure they got paid a lot for it

Lastjustice wrote:This has happened plenty in the past, as there was multiple seekers who all turned into same Jet for most part. Why does the movie verse get thrown under the bus for repeats? I mean i didnt see the sign that stated no transformers in the movie verse will ever share same alt mode as another.

There isn't. But they repainted Rampage who was suppose to be in Devastator. Understandable..we can say at the least the toy is messed up. Seeing how Ramage is yellow on the toy and Devastator, yet red in the movie. Mixmaster the same exact one. At least in the past when they do use "repeats", they change the color of them...they don't make duplicates...just like they did in the movie with Blackout/Grindor.

Lastjustice wrote:- Lennox yells for the Twins and Arcee to intercept Sideways. He was not calling them the Arcee-twins(which there's triplelets so that wouldnt make much sense.), he just was in a hurry. You clearly saw Mudflap, Skids, and the Arcee collective in pursuit of sideways to support this. Arcee is identified as simply Arcee(same with the comics) when she's in the trailer and all three bikes hologram riders appear, she replies locked and loaded in a single response not three seperate ones.

Already covered this. As I recall though, that added to the confusion is that all the holograms on the bikes are the same. When they transform they all look the same, but diff colors. I can't find it at the moment so I will not say it's true, but in some interview with someone from the movie, they said Arcee was 1 entity. Sadly that was like 6 months ago and I can not find it so it is not valid. It's apparent that we can't go by what the toys say....(see Devastator)so Chromia and Elita-one...who knows.

Anyways my biggest thing against the movie from the start was Ratchet...still will argue till I die that he should of been an ambulance...I mean he's still a medic..yet he's search and rescue in alt mode. That is just pure stupidity. I mean even if they made him a Hummer ambulance would be still be better.

No it was not a typo. Micheal Bay said in the special features interview that he changed it because he thought it fit better and like it more. He said this...

Well its a mistake regardless as Hasbro put the correct name in everything else. Lets not mince words. I'm aware Bay didnt think brawl was as awesome of a name as Devastator, which I would agree from purely a naming stand point. but in the case I know what Devastator is I wouldnt have used it. Bay is not as deeply versed in transformers as the fans are. I dont think he would ever claim to be. It be nice if he were, but I can over look it. I suppose then we might gotten a love letter to G1 if he was.

Demolisher is suppose to be different than Scvenger that is in Devastator as seen here they are suppose to be the sameish. http://robotkingdom.com/services/eshop/ ... =us&CatID=
They are pretty much the same thing, but not. Little confusion, but easier to explain.

I said the same thing Metal monkey. Again you re just being a snob about my wording and trying correct me for no apparent reason. There are multiple decepticons who took the same alt modes.(with slight variation.) Thats it. No different than Ramjet,Thrust, Starscream and Thundercracker, being almost same Jet ouside of minor tweaks. Redecos and retools are extremely common in the transformers universe.

Jazz was a model that was made. Custom top yes. Bumblebee was a Camaro that WAS going to be released. Chevy was already tooling up for it when Transformers got a hold of it. I think they will change Ironhide for the simple fact that Bay is advertising the crap out of them. Why would they advertise a discontinued model? They may keep it, not sure. It was an opinion that I see as a possibility. The Stingray was just to do something cool I guess. I'm sure they got paid a lot for it

Every version used in the movies was a suped up version of whats on the market. The twins, and Jolt were also concept cars that arent on the market or will be in time. They want something special for the autobots to be so they stand out more so than use whats currently in their line. Id say from a marketing stand point they d been better off aimming for whats on the market for the regular consumer to buy but Im not the CEO of GM. It still does make their lines look cool to public so its still good PR regardless.

As for Ironhide, he too was a special version of the topkick. None of the transformers seem be stock models. I wont be surprised if they keep him as is. Unless you hear his specfic car from the movie goes up for auction like the Solstice Jazz was did then I think they'll leave him alone for sake of simplicity. Though I was alittle worried since I heard they were retiring his model, that he was going die for a moment there when I saw him running from the explosions taking alot of damage. Like no not Ironhide...again!

Anyways my biggest thing against the movie from the start was Ratchet...still will argue till I die that he should of been an ambulance...I mean he's still a medic..yet he's search and rescue in alt mode. That is just pure stupidity. I mean even if they made him a Hummer ambulance would be still be better.

He's flatout a medical related vechile. It's not like they made him a clown car or something silly. (like the twins tempoary ice cream truck mode.) Its a bit more macho than his previous incarnations(which this Rachet actually does plenty of fighting so its fitting.), but he still is Rachet at his core. It be nice actually see him do something Medical related as he has yet save anyones life in the movies heh. His rate kind of apalling atm, jazz, Prime and Jetfire all died on his watch. Performing an organ transplant the closet thing we've seen outside his laser to bumble bees vocal processors.

For the whole Decepticon thing with Jetfire, I believe that the way Wheelie said was they were looking for Seekers and he didn't actually say that Seekers were Decepticons and Simmons and Sam both said they weren't going to go talk to a Decepticon.

That explains the surprise to me...

Bloodlust wrote:For the whole Decepticon thing with Jetfire, I believe that the way Wheelie said was they were looking for Seekers and he didn't actually say that Seekers were Decepticons and Simmons and Sam both said they weren't going to go talk to a Decepticon.

That explains the surprise to me...

I will have to watch that part again. He did say that only the Decepticons know the old language or something close to that as I recall. I could be wrong, but didn't he say they were Decepticons?? He said jetfire was a legend? Hell even wheelie was a Decepticon...they just forget that and assume it was gonna be an Autobot? Logically that was dumb on their part, considering every Autobot is..grounded and only the Decepticons can take flight. Either way was a lack of common sense? We could at least agree on that?

Metal Monkey wrote:

Bloodlust wrote:For the whole Decepticon thing with Jetfire, I believe that the way Wheelie said was they were looking for Seekers and he didn't actually say that Seekers were Decepticons and Simmons and Sam both said they weren't going to go talk to a Decepticon.

That explains the surprise to me...

I will have to watch that part again. He did say that only the Decepticons know the old language or something close to that as I recall. I could be wrong, but didn't he say they were Decepticons?? He said jetfire was a legend? Hell even wheelie was a Decepticon...they just forget that and assume it was gonna be an Autobot? Logically that was dumb on their part, considering every Autobot is..grounded and only the Decepticons can take flight. Either way was a lack of common sense? We could at least agree on that?

The Seekers were never directly stated to be Decepticons, but I agree it makese little sense for them to be anything but 'Cons since:

A) It was established the Decepticons were looking for something for awhile on Earth, so those "seeking" this alternate Energon source would reasonably be 'Cons.
B) The Transformer civil war had been going on for awhile, a bit longer than the 20th century , which is the era of the vehicles whose form the Seekers had taken on. I doubt the Autobots and Decepticons were on speaking terms to form this task force from both sides under the title of "Seekers".

Who knows, our human heroes must have had too much plot thrown at them at that point to make the conclusion the fellow they were going to meet was likely a Decepticon. I know I was feeling that way the 1st time I saw the movie.

When Optimus said that they needed Sam more than he knows, did they ever expand on that? Did Optimus know that Sam had knowledge from the Allspark? Did Optimus know that he was going to be killed and that Sam will revive him? This was after Bumblebee sprays goo all over the girl Decepticon and brings Sam to Optimus.

I think he just wanted Sam to speak on the Autobots behalf so they don't get kicked off Earth, leaving it defenseless. Or something to that effect, it's been a while since I saw it.

Metal Monkey wrote:-Arcee, Chromia, and Elita one are the girls, yet are only called "Arcee twins" by lenox.

That line is actully taken out of Context. I thought the same thing when I first watched it but if you pay attention Skids and Mudflap are there with Arcee. He was talking about Skids and Mudflap when he said twins, not Arcee. So really it would be "Arcee, Twins" rather than "Arcee Twins" note the comma.

Yeah! There are a lot of imperfections on the movie, I don't know why they let Michael bay direct the 2nd movie, inspite of some TF fans already complained about the 1st one, like Bumblebee, still have some speech problem, when we know on the 1st movie he have talked at the very end. Plus the new additions of robot characters were not even properly identified, and the robot faces, it looks like the Predator, I hope on the 3rd movie they make it look like the G1 Tf faces and vehicle form, I know the movie is made in the USA, but someone I wish they don't make it a CHEVYformers.

jonyao wrote:I wish they don't make it a CHEVYformers.

That's to do with sponcers and licenceing issues. Before they even made the first movie they had to go around to different dealers and get premittion to use their vehicles in the movie. GMC ended up being the suporter of the movie so all the cars had to be GMCs.

If this were real the Transformers wouldn't care about what make the car is so really there would be a mix of Toyoda, Honda, GMC, Chevy, and every other company out there not all the same company.

The only reason they're all GMCs is because this is a movie and GMC is their major sponcor.

My joke about the movies is that Bay originally turned it down because he didn't want to do a toy commercial and then what does he end up makeing? A 2 hour long Hasbro toy and GMC car commercial, oh that's so much better.

And the thing is, except while watching Armada I've never felt like Transformers was a toy commercial. As long as it has a decent plot to it then it can be a ligitimate TV show or movie. Transformers Armada was definatly nothing more than a toy commercial and that's why I hate it. The first movie was a toy and car commercial and I hated it. The second movie actully felt like a movie allthough it still could of been better.

Rial Vestro wrote:

Metal Monkey wrote:-Arcee, Chromia, and Elita one are the girls, yet are only called "Arcee twins" by lenox.

That line is actully taken out of Context. I thought the same thing when I first watched it but if you pay attention Skids and Mudflap are there with Arcee. He was talking about Skids and Mudflap when he said twins, not Arcee. So really it would be "Arcee, Twins" rather than "Arcee Twins" note the comma.

RV, I kinda already said that.

I just watched both movies back to back last night and I count 5 continuity **** ups between the movies.

Scorpinok did live but lost part of his tail which was not missing when he comes back in ROTF.

Bonecrusher shows up in ROTF but Optimus took his face so he's dead.

Frenzy's head was in a jar but he survived the events of the first movie and we know Frenzy can survive without a body.

Blackout's rename to Grindor I think is a cover up to the fact that he died in the first movie but I can't really prove that one, just my opinion.

And Bumblebee's voice started working at the end of the first movie. My brother was thinking it was because they lost his voice actor but then I looked it up and noticed Mark Ryan is in both movies as he voiced Jetfire as well as Bumblebee. So there's no reason in story or in real life that Bumblebee shouldn't of been able to talk. They did try to cover this up too but they did a horrable job of it.