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and just think how much they may charge us for a figure 1/2 the size of sideswipe. though it could be Jazz, but either one of theswe wilkl make me happy, but Bumblebee better come with many accessories for the price they are going to charge.

To think that I paid a pretty penny for Art Feathers version. I do love it though.

During the Tokyo Toy Show they said that the alt mode for MP-20 was very difficult to gain a license for. So yes it could be Bumblebee, but I'm hoping for Jazz.

El Duque wrote:During the Tokyo Toy Show they said that the alt mode for MP-20 was very difficult to gain a license for. So yes it could be Bumblebee, but I'm hoping for Jazz.

yeah i am kinda hoping for Jazz too.... Scatman Crothers was a friend of my family for some time, but not during his transformers era. though he did do some lines for me, so Jazz has a special place in my heart.

Bee would be pretty cool to have, as well as Jazz or Sunstreaker (original rumor was MP-20 would be a concept car). In any event, it will be nice to break up the repaint/remold season of the Datsuns and the recently announced G2 Sideswipe.

Assuming that Bee is MP-20 and the mold will be smaller, it would be nice to get a two-pack, like the cassettes were recently sold as. That way we can get Bee and Cliffjumper out of the way. 2013 has been a good year for the MP line.

Wheeljack is another theory that has been floating around.

necr0blivion wrote:Assuming that Bee is MP-20 and the mold will be smaller, it would be nice to get a two-pack, like the cassettes were recently sold as. That way we can get Bee and Cliffjumper out of the way. 2013 has been a good year for the MP line.

That'd be a great idea. The only problem is that G1 Cliff (SD Porche) isn't a repaint of G1 Bee (SD[?] WV Beetle) anymore than G1 Sunstreaker is a repaint of G1 Sideswipe.

The cassettes could be made into two-packs because FnR were straight repaints of each other with no physical differences.

That said, if they could do a Rumble (the red guy) and Ravage/Jaguar combo, I guess they could in fact team up Cliff and Bee in on package.

Obviously Bumblebee and Cliffjumper are different cars, and have somewhat different robot molds as well. But they are similar sized vehicles with identical transformation schemes and robots that also have some similarities.

Anyway, because of that, I should think that they would make sense together -- either as a two-pack or as two lower priced (for a Masterpiece, at least) individual releases. Yes, we're not talking a straight repaint here. And not even a minor retool. But they would at least, I should think, be very similar designs with a lot of the same internal construction. Almost like they could be the same internal skeleton with different shells over them.

But alas, personally, barring an official announcement proving me wrong, I've given up on a Masterpiece Bumblebee. Volkswagen is too stubborn in thinking that by denying Hasbro or Takara the license, it will somehow make it easier for them to also deny a dirty past that, at this point -- beyond the whole historic value of remembering such things -- no one really cares about any more. (We get it. You're ashamed. But unless your current company president is growing a toothbrush style moustache and advocating the genocide of an entire people, I think no one will be upset if you allow a toy company to use one of your vehicle designs for a toy that might carry a gun!)

Edit: Oh my, I hope I didn't just somehow invoke Godwin's Law here...

I hope it's not true. Personally I would love to see a MP Unicron figure, or even an updated Ultra Magnus. Maybe a super-sized MP Magnus, with the MP-10 mold in white and the Ultra armor as the trailer. Then MPs 17-19 would have a place to park. Or, better yet, a Masterpiece G1 Jetfire, as he never got an actual toy based on his actual alt mode, it was the toy from Macross, as cool as it is.

Yotsuyasan wrote:Obviously Bumblebee and Cliffjumper are different cars, and have somewhat different robot molds as well. But they are similar sized vehicles with identical transformation schemes and robots that also have some similarities.

Anyway, because of that, I should think that they would make sense together -- either as a two-pack or as two lower priced (for a Masterpiece, at least) individual releases. Yes, we're not talking a straight repaint here. And not even a minor retool. But they would at least, I should think, be very similar designs with a lot of the same internal construction. Almost like they could be the same internal skeleton with different shells over them.

But alas, personally, barring an official announcement proving me wrong, I've given up on a Masterpiece Bumblebee. Volkswagen is too stubborn in thinking that by denying Hasbro or Takara the license, it will somehow make it easier for them to also deny a dirty past that, at this point -- beyond the whole historic value of remembering such things -- no one really cares about any more. (We get it. You're ashamed. But unless your current company president is growing a toothbrush style moustache and advocating the genocide of an entire people, I think no one will be upset if you allow a toy company to use one of your vehicle designs for a toy that might carry a gun!)

Edit: Oh my, I hope I didn't just somehow invoke Godwin's Law here...

i really don't think they'd package bumblebee and cliffjumper into a two pack.. only because of the branding. nissan is prominently displayed on the front of prowl, bluestreak, and smokescreens boxes. same goes for Lamborghini with sideswipe and red alert. if bumblebee and cliffjumper were both VW cars.. then i would say that it'd be possible.

i think, if MP20 IS bumblebee, they'll probably charge between $50-$60 for it.. i'm basing that on the alternity bumblebee. Alternity bumblebee had a good amount of die cast.. and was also a licensed vehicle. it was also just about the size i'd like MP bumblebee to be.

now they could hike up the price if they added some decent accessories. i've read people wanting a jetpack or helipack.. i personally would love a fully transformable spike wearing his suit from the movie. . i ALWAYS wished i had one of those suits.. i can't even count all of the times i'd lay in my bed and wrap blankets around me in such a way that i felt like i was wearing one of those suits.

well if its a difficult to secure license, your best bet is Lancia.
So wheeljack is a good rumor.

Both Lambo and Porsche are already secured, so that leaves
Jazz and Sunstreaker off the difficult short list.
They might be work, but getting The rights to a dead company like Lancia
Would be extremely difficult.

TimothyR wrote:

Yotsuyasan wrote:Obviously Bumblebee and Cliffjumper are different cars, and have somewhat different robot molds as well. But they are similar sized vehicles with identical transformation schemes and robots that also have some similarities.

Anyway, because of that, I should think that they would make sense together -- either as a two-pack or as two lower priced (for a Masterpiece, at least) individual releases. Yes, we're not talking a straight repaint here. And not even a minor retool. But they would at least, I should think, be very similar designs with a lot of the same internal construction. Almost like they could be the same internal skeleton with different shells over them.

But alas, personally, barring an official announcement proving me wrong, I've given up on a Masterpiece Bumblebee. Volkswagen is too stubborn in thinking that by denying Hasbro or Takara the license, it will somehow make it easier for them to also deny a dirty past that, at this point -- beyond the whole historic value of remembering such things -- no one really cares about any more. (We get it. You're ashamed. But unless your current company president is growing a toothbrush style moustache and advocating the genocide of an entire people, I think no one will be upset if you allow a toy company to use one of your vehicle designs for a toy that might carry a gun!)

Edit: Oh my, I hope I didn't just somehow invoke Godwin's Law here...

i really don't think they'd package bumblebee and cliffjumper into a two pack.. only because of the branding. nissan is prominently displayed on the front of prowl, bluestreak, and smokescreens boxes. same goes for Lamborghini with sideswipe and red alert. if bumblebee and cliffjumper were both VW cars.. then i would say that it'd be possible.

i think, if MP20 IS bumblebee, they'll probably charge between $50-$60 for it.. i'm basing that on the alternity bumblebee. Alternity bumblebee had a good amount of die cast.. and was also a licensed vehicle. it was also just about the size i'd like MP bumblebee to be.

now they could hike up the price if they added some decent accessories. i've read people wanting a jetpack or helipack.. i personally would love a fully transformable spike wearing his suit from the movie. . i ALWAYS wished i had one of those suits.. i can't even count all of the times i'd lay in my bed and wrap blankets around me in such a way that i felt like i was wearing one of those suits.

you dont by chance have spacesuit envy do you? there are people that can help you with that problem

bbts.com just added links for mp-20 wheeljack and mp-21 bumblebee !