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Yeah Optimal Optimus had thumbs that folded over to the other side.

shinmusashi44, I like your arm/hand design alot, how its hairy on the beast mode side, and armor on the bot side, and the hands fliping around. I'm not sure if you quite get the arm rotating thing though. I used your ideas on the drawings I already did, and here's what I came up with


see, on the beast mode, the upper bicep is going to rotate around and be the armpit side of the bot mode arm. That means when the wrist opens up, the robotic hand will face the opposite direction as the beast mode hand.

Not sure if I want the hooves in front of the knees, or behind the calves in bot mode. Can't wait to see your other leg design. I'm just glad to finally get back into this guy. Its been half a year since I first thought him up.

I understand that the arm turns around, i just wanted to show the hand idea first. So the upper arm wasnt important at the moment.

sorry, I was just looking at your pic of the wrist turning and it reminded me of blast punch op primal, and I just wanted to make sure you got it. Looking at it again, yah, I see what you mean. Thanks again for the design. I'm definatly using it. Going back and changing the past full bot and beast pics as we speak.

Cool, i'll do some more stuff tomorrow. I've got a couple of movies to watch so thats taking my time right now.

Actually the Hand Idea reminds me more of TM Opt Primal, more then Blast punch, BM primal fingers flipped and switched tumbs, totally different.

Primus_Feather wrote:Actually the Hand Idea reminds me more of TM Opt Primal, more then Blast punch, BM primal fingers flipped and switched tumbs, totally different.

He was talking about the first design that Jimsloth did needed thumbs like Optimal Optimus. While yes the one i did up has hands/arms like TM primal

actually what I was talking about was in that pic you did it looked like the wrist was rotating around freely of the rest of the arm, like blast punch's wrists. I know it was not what you ment the drawing to show, but it's what it looked like at first, because the upper arm is staying stationary while the designs on the wrist are turning. Now that thats all cleared up...

Does anyone else out there like the Minotaur design at all, or have any suggestions? I really like this creature for Ironhide for a few reasons:
1. The name Ironhide always made me think of cattle. Strong cattle.
2. This is one of the only mythical creatures I would think of as red. Many bulls have a natural dark red fur, and I couldn't picture Ironhide as a dragon, since we already have enough of them in this forum.
3. The R.I.D. Ironhide actually had a bull head decal on the hood, which is his chest in bot mode, same as this design.

Have you ever see the movie The Last Unicorn? That had a realy cool looking red bull.

I think it would look great if he ahd some kind of shoulder pads in bot mode. maybe they can fall from the neck or form some of it hising the bot head.

Also check out the bull from beast machines, he was pretty cool and maybe it'll throw you in some new directions good or bad.

I got a little sloppy on this drawing, but i got the job done with the design. This is the earth form of the leader of the Royal Guard that i posted some time back(if anyone can think of a good name, post it. I hate coming up with names.). The design is based on Lio Convoy as you can tell. Theres a reason hes based on him but you'll have to wait and find out when the comic starts showing up.

Leader of Royal Guard(no name yet)-Winged Lion: Dark Ages series

So are we supposed to be reading hotrod off him, or is he supposed to be straight Prowl? He def. looks more hotrod to me, and when you color him and he gets yellow and orange lion parts its going to add to that even more. As far as a name goes, have to think on that one, maybe something to do with a pride. Or the scientific name Leo. I'll get back to you.

Well hes part of the Royal Guard which are based on IronHide.Remember that pick i did with them? So hes robot parts will be red and black. And the lion mode will be all white. The Winged Lion was mostly used in the Midddle Ages and was always seen as all white. Cause then everything that was holy had to be all white or white with alittle red. Which just so happens to be his colors

But the character is the leader in the dark ages series. And will be pretty much like a prime/convoy. Meaning a born leader/hero type of thing.

OK, reasons I think he looks more like a Rodimus Prime than an Ironhide:
The pointy eyebrow details
The pointy armor edge detailing all over, especially on the chest, reminds me of flames
He is fairly lean/slim with a narrow chin, like a track star, or swimmer build. Thats how I picture the Rodimi, where as Ironhide is more bulk, like a football player.

I really love this drawing, but you have to admit, there is a vibe there. I say incorperate it. Hotrod/Rodimus did have that same Maroon/deep red color, and the helmut with the circle ear covers and mohawk. Maybe he was always a member of the Royal Guard or in some way related to Ironhide, a nephew or something. Ironhide was always a little headstrong/gunho, quick to rush in to battle, head first. Besides age him and Hotrod have very similar trates. Plus, when Hotrod gets the matrix and grows up into Rodimus Prime, he basically turns into a futuristic soccermom van!

jimsloth wrote:OK, reasons I think he looks more like a Rodimus Prime than an Ironhide:
The pointy eyebrow details
The pointy armor edge detailing all over, especially on the chest, reminds me of flames
He is fairly lean/slim with a narrow chin, like a track star, or swimmer build. Thats how I picture the Rodimi, where as Ironhide is more bulk, like a football player.

I really love this drawing, but you have to admit, there is a vibe there. I say incorperate it. Hotrod/Rodimus did have that same Maroon/deep red color, and the helmut with the circle ear covers and mohawk. Maybe he was always a member of the Royal Guard or in some way related to Ironhide, a nephew or something. Ironhide was always a little headstrong/gunho, quick to rush in to battle, head first. Besides age him and Hotrod have very similar trates. Plus, when Hotrod gets the matrix and grows up into Rodimus Prime, he basically turns into a futuristic soccermom van!

I always thought Rodimus Prime looked like a small RV

Good points but in the story there are no groups based on Hotrod.(but a repaint in Hotrod colors would look cool on this) Plus the Royal Guard has all sizes characters. Remember i had a big guy in the grould, a really thin one and a female. So size really has nothing to do with this. Plus Lio conoy(shich this is based on) was pretty lean/thin as well. But once again it would look pretty cool in Hotrod colors. But we'll never know cause i cant color in photoshop to save my life.

How about Wing Saber?

Gryph wrote:How about Wing Saber?

Well he will have a really big sword(i didnt feel like drawing it)
I'll put it into the list of possible names. Thanks

No problemo. ^_^

Shin, I think the lion guardsman is great, and thought it was a shame not to see him in color. How does this look? I think it would make a great Wingsaber with the gold trim.

However it may still look to much like a "Rodimus" so I did one with
white trim as well.

how about "Ironsabre" or "Ironwing" (really like this one)

both sound good to me

Maybe you should make the lower sides of his helmet a bit longer/ thicker to make him look more like ironhide, because like i'm getting a strong hotrod vibe off him.

go Ironwing! lol

awsome coloring J.T.! Yea, I still say if I ever make this toy, he's a Hotrod type character who is a member of the Royal Guard, and that the original G1 Hotrod in said continuety would be related to Ironhide (most likely nephew/uncle relation).

Wow! those colors look great. You almost got the colors 100% perfect. theres a couple colors forgotten, but who cares, its awesome.

I also made some changes to the head, and added a head pic to the drawing. Does it still look like Hotrod?

the mohawk part does remind me more of Ironhide now, but that sharp tribal eyebrow edge part still (is what always) reminds me of hotrod. Maybe if you add a split to make the sideburn of the helmut an extra pannel like this:


I know he never had that in the cartoon, but that was actually the way I remembered it before I looked up screen cap.s, and I think its because there are real suits of armor with a pannel there, and then the rest of the helmut goes behind the ear. Ironhide was one helmut that always looked like it was designed from real armor.

Just messing around, redrew the close up you did of the head. Tell me if you like any of the changes I made (slight mohawk change of perspective w/ same design, Sideburn helmut mod, cheek line going to bottom corner of eye instead of behind it, Ever so slightly wider jaw)

jimsloth wrote:Just messing around, redrew the close up you did of the head. Tell me if you like any of the changes I made (slight mohawk change of perspective w/ same design, Sideburn helmut mod, cheek line going to bottom corner of eye instead of behind it, Ever so slightly wider jaw)

Yeah after i did the pick i noticed the perspective of the mohawk. Im gonna go with the way yours looks. Not sure on the rest. I draw it up some tomorrow, cause im tired and dont want to think to hard. So i'll leave that for tomorrow.