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The next DCU movie produced by Bruce Timm will be Justice League Crisis on Two Earths. I look forward to learning more about it.

yay more Justice League goodness!

Good news! I'm a Timm fan but I must admit, the post JLU work has been hit or miss for me. I really enjoyed Justice League: The New Frontier(it helps that I'm a Darwyn Cooke fan and love the comic series) but Superman: Doomsday, Wonder Woman, etc. all felt like they could have been so much better. They had great moments but were largely mediocre. It's difficult to hit it out of the ballpark in a single animated feature whereas a series gives allowance for the developers to find their sweet spot.

There's also something about the formula of a 22-23 minute show that forces the developers to work better, in a way. Do more with their time, I suppose. I find that despite being stand alone episodes, the Batman: Brave and the Bold series often gives me more enjoyment in 20 minutes than a 60+ minute animated feature.

With the next DCAU movie announce to be Justice League Crisis on Two Earths I was wondering what movie everyone would like to see done after the JL movie and why.

Me personally I would like to see a Green Arrow movie. I feel the character is underrated and after Smallville and JLU he deserves his own animated movie

I for one liked Wonder Woman and Green Lantern. The only films I am not too high on that have been produced are the Batman Dark Night tie in and Superman Dooms Day.

My first thought to this question is All Star Superman. I know it's a bit soon after Superman: Doomsday and I know that a lot of people have the general perception of the character as a boring boy scout. However, Grant Morrison, Frank Quitely, and Jamie Grant distilled all the greatest aspects of the character throughout its several decades of history in the All Star Superman series.

It's so easy to unimaginative writers to resort to using Superman in the role of a warrior and combatant but Morrison recognized that Superman is above petty conflicts of physical nature. No doubt he's the one to call upon when Darkseid comes a knockin' at Earth's door but aside from that, there is so much potential in the character. If ASS (All Star Superman ) was properly adapted to an animated feature, it would convert a lot of casual fans to the Superman fold for sure. It would also be a great way to build up momentum for a proper return for the Superman character to films(Superman Returns had its moments but is ultimately weighed down by its numerous flaws).

ASS is the best portrayal of the character I've read/seen yet. It's Morrison's version of the character yet it's built upon many of the various bits of the character's numerous incarnations. The result is a unique yet familiar Superman. Morrison also avoids the trap of making the character preachy. Superman leads by example and bears the burden of the world on his shoulders when he seems to be the one who needs help the most. Morrison also portrays the character as an extremely intelligent person. A lot of writers don't do much with Superman's potential intellect. The character should have a unique perspective due to his heritage, upbringing, and the role he comes to assume in the DCU.

Frank Quitely's pencils are a sight to behold. His style isn't for everyone but his mastery of telling a story with imagery has reached a high point. I personally love Quitely's work. His use of numerous layers of detail in his art is very reminiscent of European comic artists such as Moebius. This pays off in ASS in a few ways. There are so many little easter eggs in the background, things are happening in many of the panels. I could read the comics over and over again just to find out what I missed before. The colour palette is largely primary, which can be a little overwhelming without depth, which Quitely's detailed art provides.

If anyone is familiar with Morrison's work, the one thing you can expect in ASS is that there is no pedestrian paths taken by the writer. From the first page of issue 1 to the last page of issue 12, I was immersed in the story. The ending is not conventional, either, and in Morrison fashion, leaves me wanting more.

So I'm finished gushing. I'll say that if anyone gives ASS a chance, they'll likely agree that adapting it to a DC animated feature would be a great idea.

For a second option for the next DC animated feature, I'll throw a curve ball and suggest Planetary. It's from the Wildstorm imprint of DC comics and it's by Warren Ellis with great art by John Cassaday. Due to the length of the series, it may not be the best suggestion for a single DC animated feature but perhaps it could be a multi part feature. The story is wonderful and Ellis doesn't disappoint. I think that this would be a good option because if DC moved away from the "generic" super hero genre momentarily, it would break up the monotony that the DCAU has, though New Frontier was a good change of pace from the typical capes 'n' tights stories. Planetary is still about super heroes but uses the super hero genre as an element of the story rather than as the story element. The series is still awaiting the final issue but it's a great run and when it's finished, it'll be a mixture of fulfillment for completion of a story but also mourning for the end of a great series.

I'd like to elaborate further on Planetary but doing so would ruin it. What I will say is that anyone who wants a good read, comic fan or not, check out Planetary! ASS too. Hehehehe...I'm so juvenile. Seriously, though, these two series show vastly different ways that comic books can be such a valid medium. I'd suggest Watchmen too but it's very dense and to appreciate all that it is would take repeated readings with close scrutiny.

I really like what I have read of All Star Superman and have to agree it is awesome. I would not mind seeing it adapted to an animated feature. Grant Morrison is great, I am currently enjoying his run on Batman and Robin it has been great so far.

Crisis on Infinite Earths

Merged topics.

I would love to see Dark Knight Returns or Kingdom Come.

I really wish they got in gear to do Teen Titans: Judas Contract since it's been put on hiatus.

Supreme Convoy wrote::BOT: Merged topics.

I would love to see Dark Knight Returns or Kingdom Come.

I really wish they got in gear to do Teen Titans: Judas Contract since it's been put on hiatus.

I also do not understand why they just dont finish the Judas Contract. The original explanation was WB wanted to sell more units so wanted more stories with Batman and Superman, but the last two movies have not featured either. I say if it is started finish it. If they are afraid of it selling well release it with one of the other movies as a 2 Disc double feature.

It's too bad that TT: TJC is on the back burner. I was really interested in the project. I'd like to know how TT: TJC handles the Terra/Deathstroke relationship, if it does at all. It's definitely a delicate subject when you take the story to the animated format where it has larger exposure.

I'm not so keen on a DKR animated feature for a few reasons. The main one is that unless done well, it is a landmine for failure. It's one of those stories where it's so easy for lazy writers to over simplify or miss the point(s) altogether of the story. DKR isn't something you can do half way and get it right but if done right, I don't think there's a great chance that DC and WB would greenlight it.

Another reason is that DKR was groundbreaking at the time of its publication. With its impact felt keenly even today, it's definitely earned its place in comic history. However, with all the interpretations of the character in DKR's wake, it doesn't stand out so much anymore with respect to showing Batman as a dark character. A lot of the mainstream audience who are familiar with the character have two general understandings of Batman. The first is the campy 60s Adam West/Silver Age Batman. The second is the post Tim Burton Batman, the current Dark Knight(Joel Schumacher's films aside). A lot of people seem to have been informed by the Batman Animated Series show of the 90s too. Christopher Nolan's films obviously contribute to the modern shared cultural interpretation of the character as well. So much of DKR's uniqueness is lost on modern audiences. DKR would have been great to adapt to animation a decade ago but not now, in my opinion.

I'd love to see Kingdom Come adapted to animation too but like DKR, it's an easy ship to sink. Again, it's too tempting for lazy writers to over simplify and/or miss the point of the story.

To move off topic for a moment, I'd like to comment on the Watchmen movie...SPOILERS AHEAD!!!

Okay, you've been warned.

Alright, regarding the Watchmen movie and how it relates to my view on poor/lazy writing messing up good stories, I felt that the movie's script hit the visceral notes of the source material's story but completely missed main points such as the idea of social engineering taken to the level of social terrorism. Veidt's plan of creating a fake interdimensional psychic alien and orchestrating an invasion was to offer a way to unite the world against a common "alien"/non-human foe during a time of escalated nuclear fear. Using Dr. Manhattan as the fallman, using him as a walking nuclear bomb/being of mass destruction, misses the point of the comic's climax entirely.

One of the great things about the alien hoax is that it's so crazy, who would suspect Adrian Veidt, the world's smartest man, of concocting it? That's the genius of it. That's the reason why Veidt doesn't care Rorschach knows and let's him go. He doesn't care what Rorschach tells people because it's exactly what a crazy nutjob conspiracy freak would say. "Hey! The person that the world looks up to and thinks is the perfect man is making a fake alien and plans to slaughter thousands to trick humanity into a truce for the good of mankind! Trust me, an escaped violent criminal with no public credibility! It's the truth!".

The comic shows Nite Owl going into denial and refusing to believe the truth initially when Veidt reveals his plans while Rorschach immediately accepts the truth for what it is. Veidt knows that "rational" people that make up most of the world like Nite Owl wouldn't consider what Veidt orchestrated as a possible scenario.

Using an insinuated nuclear attack by Dr. Manhattan is such a stupid plan because, guess what, he's the United States' "super man". If he went rogue, it wouldn't create peace through unity like Veidt intended, it would paint a bullseye on America and pretty much any super powered being in the fictional world. It would create more terror and division in the masses.

Anyways, rant over.

SPOILERS OVER!!!

Back to Kingdom Come, it would be so easy for people to misinterpret or miss the themes of the story like how humanity is guilty for giving up responsibility to the super heroes and how the super heroes are guilty of taking that responsibility and corrupting it with pride. The story is like a love letter from Dini and Ross to comics and the super hero genre. At the same time, it takes a view of not only admiring the history of the genre but also examines it as a tool for study of very human subjects like how faith in its loss or (re)discovery can affect grounded characters like Norman McCay as well as larger than life characters like Superman. To say that Kingdom Come is a well written comic story does it disservice because I think that it is simply a well written story that happens to be a comic.

I find KC, like Watchmen, to be a work of fiction that is very difficult to properly adapt outside of the comic book medium. The very mechanics of a comic book such as the visual and textual narrative working in conjunction is vital for its total experience. There are things that can only be appreciated when you are able to read a text balloon while examining a single panel of imagery. The layers of detail in a panel, the way that the artist conducts the reader's attention from panel to panel and even to go back some panels to backtrack something that has been overlooked. You can't get this kind of experience outside of the "sequential art" format of comics. You can't do it with film because it is an unnatural action to pause a movie and rewind and then fast forward and then pause and then rewind again. You can't do it with pure written word because the describing everything through text is not the same as the relationshp of text and images in comics.

The reason why I specifically mention KC and The Watchmen as comics that shouldn't be adapted is because the high level of "engineering" both have as comics. Alan Moore worked closely with Dave Gibbons to make The Watchmen an exercise in showcasing the unique strengths and abilities of the comic book medium as well as using it as an experimental journey to see how far they could go with using the medium as a unique method of storytelling. I honestly don't even consider the Watchmen film even deserving to be called a "shadow" of the source material with respect to its artistic efforts. It's not even a comment on quality or stylization, it's simply that you can't properly duplicate the experience of reading panel to panel with the freedom from the linearity that motion pictures imposes on the viewer by the nature of its mechanics.

KC, as I understand, doesn't have the same creative intent as The Watchmen, but similarly, the art of KC by Alex Ross is so rich in detail that it would be lost in animation. Ross' command of gouache is a significant part of his trademark style. A lot of people mistake his work for airbrush, which is something he rarely employs and normally only for finishing touch ups. This style of painting combined with his strong influence by classic American illustrator, Andrew Loomis, is something that wouldn't be practical for an animated feature. To try to even homage his artistic style would be extremely difficult to animate and costly to boot.

Please don't misunderstand me, despite this post being one long ramble on why DKR and KC shouldn't be done in animation, I would love to see KC in animated format but considering how easy it would be to come short on several fronts, I would rather leave it be as a comic series I love than be met with severe disappointment as an adaption that I hate or worse yet, feel indifferent to.

Will this movie be centered with the previous JLU we seen on Cartoon Netork?

Wheeljack35 wrote:Will this movie be centered with the previous JLU we seen on Cartoon Netork?

Good question not a lot is known right now.

Convotron wrote:My first thought to this question is All Star Superman. I know it's a bit soon after Superman: Doomsday and I know that a lot of people have the general perception of the character as a boring boy scout. However, Grant Morrison, Frank Quitely, and Jamie Grant distilled all the greatest aspects of the character throughout its several decades of history in the All Star Superman series.

It's so easy to unimaginative writers to resort to using Superman in the role of a warrior and combatant but Morrison recognized that Superman is above petty conflicts of physical nature. No doubt he's the one to call upon when Darkseid comes a knockin' at Earth's door but aside from that, there is so much potential in the character. If ASS (All Star Superman ) was properly adapted to an animated feature, it would convert a lot of casual fans to the Superman fold for sure. It would also be a great way to build up momentum for a proper return for the Superman character to films(Superman Returns had its moments but is ultimately weighed down by its numerous flaws).

ASS is the best portrayal of the character I've read/seen yet. It's Morrison's version of the character yet it's built upon many of the various bits of the character's numerous incarnations. The result is a unique yet familiar Superman. Morrison also avoids the trap of making the character preachy. Superman leads by example and bears the burden of the world on his shoulders when he seems to be the one who needs help the most. Morrison also portrays the character as an extremely intelligent person. A lot of writers don't do much with Superman's potential intellect. The character should have a unique perspective due to his heritage, upbringing, and the role he comes to assume in the DCU.

Frank Quitely's pencils are a sight to behold. His style isn't for everyone but his mastery of telling a story with imagery has reached a high point. I personally love Quitely's work. His use of numerous layers of detail in his art is very reminiscent of European comic artists such as Moebius. This pays off in ASS in a few ways. There are so many little easter eggs in the background, things are happening in many of the panels. I could read the comics over and over again just to find out what I missed before. The colour palette is largely primary, which can be a little overwhelming without depth, which Quitely's detailed art provides.

If anyone is familiar with Morrison's work, the one thing you can expect in ASS is that there is no pedestrian paths taken by the writer. From the first page of issue 1 to the last page of issue 12, I was immersed in the story. The ending is not conventional, either, and in Morrison fashion, leaves me wanting more.

So I'm finished gushing. I'll say that if anyone gives ASS a chance, they'll likely agree that adapting it to a DC animated feature would be a great idea.

For a second option for the next DC animated feature, I'll throw a curve ball and suggest Planetary. It's from the Wildstorm imprint of DC comics and it's by Warren Ellis with great art by John Cassaday. Due to the length of the series, it may not be the best suggestion for a single DC animated feature but perhaps it could be a multi part feature. The story is wonderful and Ellis doesn't disappoint. I think that this would be a good option because if DC moved away from the "generic" super hero genre momentarily, it would break up the monotony that the DCAU has, though New Frontier was a good change of pace from the typical capes 'n' tights stories. Planetary is still about super heroes but uses the super hero genre as an element of the story rather than as the story element. The series is still awaiting the final issue but it's a great run and when it's finished, it'll be a mixture of fulfillment for completion of a story but also mourning for the end of a great series.

I'd like to elaborate further on Planetary but doing so would ruin it. What I will say is that anyone who wants a good read, comic fan or not, check out Planetary! ASS too. Hehehehe...I'm so juvenile. Seriously, though, these two series show vastly different ways that comic books can be such a valid medium. I'd suggest Watchmen too but it's very dense and to appreciate all that it is would take repeated readings with close scrutiny.

TO be perfectly honest I read All-Star Superman #1 and it was one of the worse comics I ever read. Grant Morrison is so vastly over-rated that it ain't funny. Outside of Arkham Asylum and his run JLA everything else he's written makes little or no sense and feels like he's throwing **** at the wall and hoping it sticks.

Warren Ellis is a hit and miss at best. If Ellis is passionate about a series then it's a great (like Stormwatch vol.1 and Ministry of Space but if he's just doing it for the money then mediocre at best (like Stormwatch vol. 2, New Universal, and Ocean) and crap at worse (like JLA/Planetary).

Cyberstrike wrote:TO be perfectly honest I read All-Star Superman #1 and it was one of the worse comics I ever read. Grant Morrison is so vastly over-rated that it ain't funny. Outside of Arkham Asylum and his run JLA everything else he's written makes little or no sense and feels like he's throwing **** at the wall and hoping it sticks.

Morrison is certainly overrated but anyone in comics(and most other fields for that matter) at the top levels tend to be overrated or also over criticized for being so overrated in the first place.

Morrison's penchant for throwing out bizarre ideas does come off to me at times as a gamble. He can either sound like he's creative and intelligent or sound like he's just BSing to see who will fall for his pseudo intellectualism.

This use of bizarre concepts happens in ASS but it works when you're dealing with wonky comic concepts like the "Phantom Zone Projector".

You didn't enjoy the first issue but it does get better. Much better if you are open to what Morrison, Quitely, and Grant are trying to do in the series. If you're the kind of person who doesn't like Superman, ASS will either convert you because of what Morrison does with the character or you'll not be convinced because a lot of people who don't like the character simply will not like the character no matter what.

From my experience on comic forums, the way that many self-proclaimed Superman non-fans were expressing their enjoyment of ASS and how the series brought back their love for the character, speaks significantly, I think, of how good ASS is, even to those who are pre-disposed to not liking the character in general.

I've always been a Superman fan but it was mostly due to childhood nostalgia. As a teenager and then an adult, I lost interest due to the prevailing portrayal of the character as a one dimensional super strongman. The main fictional uses of superman that brought me back to appreciate the character were works like Kingdom Come, Superman: Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?, Superman: The Animated Series, and Justice League/JLU, and Superman: Secret Identity. What these series and others have in common with ASS is that they take the character and use it in a way that removes focus from the strongman aspect of the character.

The way that Morrison conceives and portrays the character in ASS is the best portrayal of the character in a long time in my opinion. If you look beneath the surface details like the superhero element and the pseudo science, ASS is a character piece. It examines Superman and Clark Kent in a manner that takes elements from the Golden, Silver, and Modern Age incarnations of the character.

To spoil the story just a bit, Morrison makes a compelling argument why Superman is so deserving of his moniker by showing the character as a problem solver of situations not only of the extraordinary but of the seemingly mundane(but no less important). There's a particularly touching scene, the one moment in the entire series that I believe justifies some of the praise Morrison gets as a writer, that perfectly and succinctly shows why Morrison's Superman may be the best Superman to date. This is a moment that doesn't involve any world shattering conflict or universal disaster. It's a very human moment that I think no other current writer in comics would have even considered putting in their own version of ASS.

As you've read the first issue, this shouldn't be a spoiler to speak of his death sentence. I think how Morrison shows Superman dealing with his seemingly inevitable death throughout the rest of the series is another fine example of why Morrison deserves some of his praise.

ASS is kind of like a love letter to the character and its history. A lot of ASS is influenced by the Silver Age concepts of the character. I think it would be a great candidate for a DCAU project(and a live action movie for that matter) because it's a well written story. No matter one's opinion on Morrison, I believe if that one reads the story, they will recognize that Morrison successfully captured the best elements of the character. ASS should be the cited example to explain why the character of "Superman" has endured for decades. For all the mis-steps the character has had creatively throughout its history, there are certain truths of the character that endears all manner of people to this fictional character. ASS showcases these truths and brings a refreshing light to them as well.

Ah yes Justice League. Theres a show i miss alot. I'd be happy if they started up Batman Beyond again. Cause apparently it wasnt "cancelled". They "ceaseded prduction" for the time being.

The end of the Justice Series angered me. Luther and Darkside vanishing.

Im a Bruce Timm fan. I happen to own pretty much most animated stuff he has done. Batman AS, Batman beyond, The Batman, Superman Doomsday etc. Didnt realize he did brave and the bold as well. Ive only managed to watch it once and it seemed a bit to lame and campy for my taste. And Niles Crane as the jokers voice? Or at least it sounds like him.

Coughler wrote:Didnt realize he did brave and the bold as well. Ive only managed to watch it once and it seemed a bit to lame and campy for my taste. And Niles Crane as the jokers voice? Or at least it sounds like him.

Considering the Brave and the Bold comic series was mainly about DC team-ups and was created just before the Silver Age, the cartoon is more suitable with a less serious/campy tone. It's not for everyone, that's for sure, but that's true of most things.

I personally like the B&B's deviation from the depressing dark and brooding Batman that has been around since Frank Miller's interpretation in TDK. BtB&B has a nice light hearted mood mixed with elements of darker bits in the plots. It's not a return to Adam West incarnation by any means. I think BtB&B has a good sense of humour and realizes how to have a playful story without resorting to simple camp.

Just as the mid 80s darkening of the Batman character was a needed change, we're at the other end of the pendulum's swing where the character could use some lightening up.

Sometimes Batman is just too wound up.

Convotron wrote:

Cyberstrike wrote:TO be perfectly honest I read All-Star Superman #1 and it was one of the worse comics I ever read. Grant Morrison is so vastly over-rated that it ain't funny. Outside of Arkham Asylum and his run JLA everything else he's written makes little or no sense and feels like he's throwing **** at the wall and hoping it sticks.

Morrison is certainly overrated but anyone in comics(and most other fields for that matter) at the top levels tend to be overrated or also over criticized for being so overrated in the first place.

Morrison's penchant for throwing out bizarre ideas does come off to me at times as a gamble. He can either sound like he's creative and intelligent or sound like he's just BSing to see who will fall for his pseudo intellectualism.

This use of bizarre concepts happens in ASS but it works when you're dealing with wonky comic concepts like the "Phantom Zone Projector".

You didn't enjoy the first issue but it does get better. Much better if you are open to what Morrison, Quitely, and Grant are trying to do in the series. If you're the kind of person who doesn't like Superman, ASS will either convert you because of what Morrison does with the character or you'll not be convinced because a lot of people who don't like the character simply will not like the character no matter what.

From my experience on comic forums, the way that many self-proclaimed Superman non-fans were expressing their enjoyment of ASS and how the series brought back their love for the character, speaks significantly, I think, of how good ASS is, even to those who are pre-disposed to not liking the character in general.

I've always been a Superman fan but it was mostly due to childhood nostalgia. As a teenager and then an adult, I lost interest due to the prevailing portrayal of the character as a one dimensional super strongman. The main fictional uses of superman that brought me back to appreciate the character were works like Kingdom Come, Superman: Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?, Superman: The Animated Series, and Justice League/JLU, and Superman: Secret Identity. What these series and others have in common with ASS is that they take the character and use it in a way that removes focus from the strongman aspect of the character.

The way that Morrison conceives and portrays the character in ASS is the best portrayal of the character in a long time in my opinion. If you look beneath the surface details like the superhero element and the pseudo science, ASS is a character piece. It examines Superman and Clark Kent in a manner that takes elements from the Golden, Silver, and Modern Age incarnations of the character.

To spoil the story just a bit, Morrison makes a compelling argument why Superman is so deserving of his moniker by showing the character as a problem solver of situations not only of the extraordinary but of the seemingly mundane(but no less important). There's a particularly touching scene, the one moment in the entire series that I believe justifies some of the praise Morrison gets as a writer, that perfectly and succinctly shows why Morrison's Superman may be the best Superman to date. This is a moment that doesn't involve any world shattering conflict or universal disaster. It's a very human moment that I think no other current writer in comics would have even considered putting in their own version of ASS.

As you've read the first issue, this shouldn't be a spoiler to speak of his death sentence. I think how Morrison shows Superman dealing with his seemingly inevitable death throughout the rest of the series is another fine example of why Morrison deserves some of his praise.

ASS is kind of like a love letter to the character and its history. A lot of ASS is influenced by the Silver Age concepts of the character. I think it would be a great candidate for a DCAU project(and a live action movie for that matter) because it's a well written story. No matter one's opinion on Morrison, I believe if that one reads the story, they will recognize that Morrison successfully captured the best elements of the character. ASS should be the cited example to explain why the character of "Superman" has endured for decades. For all the mis-steps the character has had creatively throughout its history, there are certain truths of the character that endears all manner of people to this fictional character. ASS showcases these truths and brings a refreshing light to them as well.

If Morrison fails to wow me on page 1 of #1 of any series then chances are he's not going to wow me period. I didn't enjoy All Star Superman #1 and #2 period. I didn't like the story and the art did little to help. I don't love much of the Silver Age concepts because IMHO that stuff is so stupid. I like Superman being the LONE survivor of the planet Krypton, the second DC brought back his dog, cousin, and the rest of that junk, it ruins the character.

I loved Azzlero and Jim Lee's 12 issue run on Superman (even if had Zod and the Phantom Zone in it) I loved Superman: Birthright because Waid finally manage to make me buy the whole "Luther was in Smallville and Kent and him were friends and everyone forgot it" story without being stuck in the 1960s. I loved Greg Rucka's run on the character, I even thought Chuck Austin did a great job on his run with the character.

I love Superman more than Batman.

In fact outside of stories like Arkham Asylum, Hush, A Death in the Family, The Cult, and the various Loeb/Sale series and one-shots, the only Batman series that I loved recently was All-Star Batman & Robin because that is how I like my Batman comics with Batman as a borderline and unlikeable pyhsco (which at he at least made the reader aware of at the beginning of the story), because I don't generally like Batman at all.

Cyberstrike wrote:If Morrison fails to wow me on page 1 of #1 of any series then chances are he's not going to wow me period. I didn't enjoy All Star Superman period. I didn't like the story and the art did little to help. I don't love much of the silver age concepts because IMHO that stuff is stupid. I like Superman being the LONE survivor of the planet Krypton, the second DC brought back his dog, cousin, and the rest of that junk, it ruined him.

ASS uses Silver Age concepts and other bits of Superman history but transcends it. You'd have to read it to believe it.

Cyberstrike wrote:I loved Azzlero and Jim Lee's 12 issue run on Superman (even if had Zod and the Phantom Zone in it) I loved Superman: Birthright because Waid finally manage to make me buy the whole "Luther was in Smallville and Kent and him were friends and everyone forgot it" story without being stuck in the 1960s. I loved Greg Rucka's run on the character, I even thought Chuck Austin did a great job on his run with the character.

I'm a fan of Birthright. I love how it showed Superman perceiving the information permeating the airwaves. I also like the expansion of his "super sight", showing how he can see "auras". ASS actually implies something similar when it's revealed that Superman can literally see how everything is connected and further implies that's why he has such a benevolent outlook. I particularly liked the first part of Birthright where we see Clark's journey around the world and how it molds him into the character he becomes later on. Leinil Yu's art was great for the most part but suffers from points of drastic inconsistency.

Cyberstrike wrote:I love Superman more than Batman.
In fact outside of stories like Arkham Asylum, Hush, A Death in the Family, The Cult,[i] and the various Loeb/Sale series and one-shots, the only Batman series that I loved recently was [i]All-Star Batman & Robin because that is how I like my Batman comics with Batman as a borderline and unlikeable pyhsco (which at he at least made the reader aware of at the beginning of the story), because I don't generally like Batman at all.

I'm not a fan of Batman portrayals that go on the psycho range of things. It works for self-contained story arcs like in Elseworld stories but it just doesn't make sense for a person who is in any way near psychopathic to be functional enough to balance the numerous responsibilities that Batman takes on. Batman should be the epitome of human ability. He should be strong mentally, emotionally, and physically.

When I heard about Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths, I thought it was the first Justice League/Justice Society team up.

Turns out the story is similar to Morrison & Quitely's Earth 2 story.

Can't wait!

Supreme Convoy wrote::BOT: When I heard about Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths, I thought it was the first Justice League/Justice Society team up.

Turns out the story is similar to Morrison & Quitely's Earth 2 story.

Can't wait!

That is great news! I love that story. I have the hardcover TPB(I bought it for $5 at a secondhand bookstore!). I think Gina Torres voicing Superwoman may be awesome.

Looks like Hal Jordan will be Green Lantern, and sadly Kevin Conroy doesn't look like he'll be doing the Batman

I cannot wait! I love Mirror Universe stuff.

I hope the scene of Martian Manhunter taking down Ultra Man is kept in the script. That was a cool moment. There are some raunchy-ish moments in JLA: Earth 2, though...

This is going to be very interesting. I like all these films so far and am really looking forward to this one now.

Convotron wrote:

Cyberstrike wrote:If Morrison fails to wow me on page 1 of #1 of any series then chances are he's not going to wow me period. I didn't enjoy All Star Superman #1 and #2 period. I didn't like the story and the art did little to help. I don't love much of the Silver Age concepts because IMHO that stuff is stupid. I like Superman being the LONE survivor of the planet Krypton, the second DC brought back his dog, cousin, and the rest of that junk, it ruined him.

ASS uses Silver Age concepts and other bits of Superman history but transcends it. You'd have to read it to believe it.

I did read #1 and #2 and I thought it was horrible. If I don't like something I'm not going to continue to waste my money on it. Outside of Arkham Asylem and his run on JLA (including the JLA: Earth 2 GN) everything else Grant Morrison has written either sucks or is forgettable.

Cyberstrike wrote:I loved Azzlero and Jim Lee's 12 issue run on Superman (even if had Zod and the Phantom Zone in it) I loved Superman: Birthright because Waid finally manage to make me buy the whole "Luther was in Smallville and Kent and him were friends and everyone forgot it" story without being stuck in the 1960s. I loved Greg Rucka's run on the character, I even thought Chuck Austin did a great job on his run with the character.

I'm a fan of Birthright. I love how it showed Superman perceiving the information permeating the airwaves. I also like the expansion of his "super sight", showing how he can see "auras". ASS actually implies something similar when it's revealed that Superman can literally see how everything is connected and further implies that's why he has such a benevolent outlook. I particularly liked the first part of Birthright where we see Clark's journey around the world and how it molds him into the character he becomes later on. Leinil Yu's art was great for the most part but suffers from points of drastic inconsistency.

I perfer Azzerlo and Lee's run over Superman: Birthright due to the fact that it shows that Superman can even make a mistake and he screws up big time at the start of it. I have never bought Superman and Lex Luther as friends in Smallville it all seemed to contrived. Superman: Birthright was the only time where it didn't feel contrived.

Cyberstrike wrote:I love Superman more than Batman.
In fact outside of stories like Arkham Asylum, Hush, A Death in the Family, The Cult, and the various Loeb/Sale series and one-shots, the only Batman series that I loved recently was All-Star Batman & Robin because that is how I like my Batman comics with Batman as a borderline and unlikeable psycho (which at he at least made the reader aware of at the beginning of the story), because I don't generally like Batman at all.

I'm not a fan of Batman portrayals that go on the psycho range of things. It works for self-contained story arcs like in Elseworld stories but it just doesn't make sense for a person who is in any way near psychopathic to be functional enough to balance the numerous responsibilities that Batman takes on. Batman should be the epitome of human ability. He should be strong mentally, emotionally, and physically.

Batman is a borderline psycho.
Miller just didn't bother to hide it, that's why I think a lot of fans hate All-Star Batman and Robin (what I didn't like was using the old Robin costume that is the one of the worse superhero costumes of all time. No artist, no matter how talented can make it cool, practical, or even relevant).
because Miller was just stating the obvious and wasn't hiding it under the pretense of a "noble hero" or the epitome of human ability, he's simply calling Batman what he was, what he is, and what he will always be: a borderline psycho.