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He won't be called "Devastator" (unless his name is fixed in the DVD and they reassign it for Transformers 2) but even so, that's okay.

Michael Bay has said that he wants the Constructicons in the next movie and no doubt this means we will get to see an honest-to-goodness gestalt of them.

And it doesn't matter if he's not called "Devastator" or that Bonecrusher won't be part of the mix. For one thing this is an entirely new continuity, maybe the best continuity of Transformers in the history of the franchise, and there's nothing wrong with mixing things up a bit.

But the real reason why I believe we'll see the Constructicons gestalt is that I like to think that we are going to see a lot more Transformers in this next movie. They don't all have to be named on-screen, do they? By the time Transformers 2 rolls around, the Autobots have probably been migrating to Earth in huge numbers when Starscream arrives with a hella lotta Decepticons. Taking the time to do a roll-call covering all of them would waste too much time.

So we'll probably see the Constructicons and get a "personal introduction" from 2 or 3 of them at the most while the rest remain nameless in the movie, and then they'll go off and merge into their combined form. And it'll look so gosh-darned amazing that by that point we won't even care what its called!

Heck, I can easily imagine that this could become quite a contest for the fans, just like the "give Optimus a line" one was. "Name the Constructicons", including their combined form. Maybe those names won't be seen or heard in the movie itself, but they'll be part of the canon all the same.

And really: I hate to say this but it will only be longtime fans (and I count myself as one of them for sure) for whom this will even be an issue at all. Everyone else in the public who is just now discovering what Transformers is all about, they probably don't even know yet that some Transformers can do this trick, much less what the names of those combined forms are. This will be old-hat for us but something quite shocking for the rest of the world. Bay and Co. are going to show them that, in spite of whatever it is that the hardcore fans demand it be called.

So if you're worried that the producers have written the Constructicons into a corner already and they can't get them out: don't fret! This is still the Transformers concept we grew up with, just a whole new saga with entirely new rules. The movie series is the most serious and mature take on the franchise that there's ever been, and we gotta allow it some space to adapt to this medium.

Have faith and be of good cheer: there will be Constructicons and they will combine into one honkin' big-a$$ robot. You'll see

Well Im glad you've set our minds at rest with your random baseless speculation.

Maybe well see constructions, maybe we wont. I dont really care. Its not more Transformers TF2 needs, it's more screentime and character development for those TFs that are in the movie.

And before someone accuses me of movie bashing, I'm offering constructive critism on how TF2 could be made better not bashing TF1.

Yours AK

1. They in fact did NOT correct the Devastator/Brawl error on the DVD, so that now means two Constructicon names have just been pissed away.

2. Regardless if they say his name on screen or not, they'll need a name for the toy. If they call it Devastator, there are going to be a LOT of confused people wondering why it's the same name as "that tank guy" from the first movie.

3. How is that Bay can just decide to keep the name as Devastator when A) Hasbro owns the name & trademark of that character, and B) they just sunk millions of dollars into manufacturing a toy clearly named Brawl. Since when can a movie director name characters whatever *he* wants to?

4. Don't underestimate how many people remember who the Constructicons/Devastator were. Those green fella's are almost as memorable as Soundwave, Bumblebee, Prime & Megatron for people who watched the cartoons but don't necessarily buy the toys or read forums. A lot of them may not have recognized Bonecrusher as technically being a Constructicon member, but you better believe that once a bunch of construction vehicles show up in a sequel and combine into a giant robot, MANY people will know exactly who that's supposed to be. As it stands, I've encountered lots of people who remember the G1 cartoons and have asked why Devastator is just a tank now.

5. Bay could have EASILY corrected this problem and saved a lot of headaches by making that one simple change on the DVD - the format that people will now own for life and continue to reference. All he's doing by keeping it on the DVD is opening another can of worms, and once again displaying his utter "I don't give a ****" attitude to the established franchise or fanbase. I'm shocked that Hasbro are letting him get away with this, especially when you factor in how many versions of BRAWL toys they have now made & sold.

I concur with AK. We need more development, not more robots.

Leonardo wrote:I concur with AK. We need more development, not more robots.

No. We need more development and more robots.

Barricade, Scorponok and Starscream were the only ones to survive. Not much of a fight to put up, nor a story to push it.

We could use two, maybe three new robots on the Decepticons side, add Arcee to the Autobots side, and go from there.

And even if the Constructicons could show up in the second film...they might literally be just a team. There might not be any combining of the robots at all.

Can't get our hopes up over nothingness. Heck, we're not even sure it'll make it to theaters by June 26th 2009.

If so, Hasbro seriously has their hands full with this one (I think they'll regret getting tied up with Hollywood...) They'll have TF: Animated, Classics/Universe 2.0 and TF2 toys to come up with all at the same time.

...and make enough of an order to keep up with demand this time around.

All in all, I think summer 2009 is pushing it, but it's the best time of the year for a movie of this type...so let's see what happens.

Yeah, maybe about 1 or 2 more Autobots, with about 6 Decepticons worth the sequel.

About Devastator, maybe they will be called as Destroyer or something similar? Let the scriptwriters decide, not the fans or Bay himself.

Autobot032 wrote:

Leonardo wrote:I concur with AK. We need more development, not more robots.

No. We need more development and more robots.

Barricade, Scorponok and Starscream were the only ones to survive. Not much of a fight to put up, nor a story to push it.

We could use two, maybe three new robots on the Decepticons side, add Arcee to the Autobots side, and go from there.

That's sorta what i meant, we dont need any more robots that they had in the first movie, not we dont need any new robots in TF2. Bay failed to give ample development cover the handful of robots he had in the first movie, the last thing we need is more robots to divide what little screen time he attributes to there on screen development.

Yours AK

Alex Kingdom wrote:the last thing we need is more robots to divide what little screen time he attributes to there on screen development.

There could be plenty of robots. They just don't all have to stop and smile and say "hello" to the camera.

Sorta like how EVERY character you saw in the Star Wars movies had a name and a backstory, even though the vast majority of them were never properly introduced in the context of the movie. That's what Bay could do with Transformers 2. He should only develop those Transformers that build up and keep the story going. But if he puts Brawn or Ravage in there as background characters that we only see fighting or whatever and not actually say anything, that would still be great.

Personally I'm hoping Starscream comes back with an entire squadron of flying Decepticons, so that we can see a MASSIVE battle between them and the humans' air force. That was an awesome scene where he "played" with the human jets: would love to see that same kind of mayhem again

TheKnightShift wrote:

Alex Kingdom wrote:the last thing we need is more robots to divide what little screen time he attributes to there on screen development.

There could be plenty of robots. They just don't all have to stop and smile and say "hello" to the camera.

Sure, but it would nice if more than two were given a handfull of lines this time around. Knowing Bay throwing in squadrons of airboard 'cons and giant LOTR style CGI battles will only further detract from that.

Yours AK

Alex Kingdom wrote:Knowing Bay throwing in squadrons of airboard 'cons and giant LOTR style CGI battles will only further detract from that.

It wouldn't be so bad... provided that Bay can keep the camera from shaking

I actually meant "no more" as in "not too many", not as in no new ones to replace those who died in the first film. Bringing in new characters to replace Jazz, Bonecrusher, Brawl / Devastator, etc. is fine and probably necessary. It's just I don't want to see lots of robots arriving on Earth for them to only appear in the background of a fight scene, for example.

Leonardo wrote:It's just I don't want to see lots of robots arriving on Earth for them to only appear in the background of a fight scene, for example.

If so, they would only be robots in disgrace, not robots in disguise.

Having Starscream with a lot of Decepticons coming to earth, and many Autobots answering the call of Optimus to earth, would be a total confusion for those who don't know much about the Transformers.

Even when they saw TF1 with "very limited" number of Transformers, they were still confused of the battles, the Decepticons (their colors were similar, they had little background to tell), and so on.

prowl24 wrote:Even when they saw TF1 with "very limited" number of Transformers, they were still confused of the battles, the Decepticons (their colors were similar, they had little background to tell), and so on.

Indeed plus the endless shakey-cam close ups made much of the action totally indecipherable. TBQH the whole last 30 mins of the movie was a incomprehensible blur causing me to become quit apathetic about the outcome and wish I’d saved my £3 and stayed at home. More TFs on screen would only exacerbate the situation.

Yours AK

I actually DON'T want Devestator/Constructicon combiners in no.2

The Constructicons have been so over-used it's not even funny. The way I see it, since they've gotten so much attention in recent years with the endless toys (Universe, Universe micromasters, Energon, Classics, all the cameos in all the comics, etc.), they should be exempt from the movies. For crying out loud, there's a new Devestator toy every 15 minutes, we don't need another one to take up space in the movie that could be occupied by a better combiner.

If fans could just look BEYOND G1 1984, they would see that there are more possibilities for combiners than just "the first one"

Do you know what I would find funny if they were included, though? If, after people complaining about Ratchet being green in the first movie, people began complaining that the Constructicons aren't green in the second.

So.....now it's painfully apparent that you cannot promise us a constructicon gestalt in TF2 can we have the title of this thread changed cos it's chuffin stoopid!

Yours AK

Leonardo wrote:Do you know what I would find funny if they were included, though? If, after people complaining about Ratchet being green in the first movie, people began complaining that the Constructicons aren't green in the second.

The Constructicons will be in many different colors to spoil eyes, so they will become more like a fancy toy.

I believe that we are going to get a gestalt in one of the sequels. However, It won't be Devastator.
If anyone, it'll be Bruticus.

Think about it. It fits the military theme, it fits with the tradition of Starscream being the master of the combaticons (briefly) and it would explain why Swindle didn't get into the movie at all and Brawl and Vortex went through name changes before they had the chance to be killed off. And don't you know that Hasbro likes to use Bruticus almost as much as they use Devastator?

Just my theory. You don't have to believe it but I'm sticking with it.

I'd like someone more than the little scrag with the fat arse and the little tossbag from Even Stevens and his annoying parents to get screen time. Seriously, all the first movie was was your standard "OMG!!! AMERICA IS IN DANGER! Let's plug our soldiers!" movie with the "OMG! Sexless loser with annoying wannabe-that 70's Show parents forms friendship with decent looking chick and then hooks up with her which totally doesn't happen in real life!" sidestory, with a giant, confusing robot fight thrown in at the end. Seriously, I'd be surprised if too many people can remember the names of the Transformers, because there was no development. Most of the Decepticons didn't appear til the end of the movie!

Seriously, I want to see some back story to the Transformers. Being as the movie isn't "The Bubblebutt and TrophyHandle Ears sexy time variety hour," , it IS Transformers, I'd like to see some Transformers.

The Chaos Bringer wrote:I believe that we are going to get a gestalt in one of the sequels. However, It won't be Devastator.
If anyone, it'll be Bruticus.

Think about it. It fits the military theme, it fits with the tradition of Starscream being the master of the combaticons (briefly) and it would explain why Swindle didn't get into the movie at all and Brawl and Vortex went through name changes before they had the chance to be killed off. And don't you know that Hasbro likes to use Bruticus almost as much as they use Devastator?

Just my theory. You don't have to believe it but I'm sticking with it.

I like your theory, CB, and I hope they don't bring in Devastator.

Personally, I'd love it if they brought in Menasor. If not Menasor, then Bruticus.

And I thought we were all supposed to be ready for some changes? If so, then we should see a different gestalt.

Damolisher wrote:I'd like someone more than the little scrag with the fat arse and the little tossbag from Even Stevens and his annoying parents to get screen time. Seriously, all the first movie was was your standard "OMG!!! AMERICA IS IN DANGER! Let's plug our soldiers!" movie with the "OMG! Sexless loser with annoying wannabe-that 70's Show parents forms friendship with decent looking chick and then hooks up with her which totally doesn't happen in real life!" sidestory, with a giant, confusing robot fight thrown in at the end. Seriously, I'd be surprised if too many people can remember the names of the Transformers, because there was no development. Most of the Decepticons didn't appear til the end of the movie!

Seriously, I want to see some back story to the Transformers. Being as the movie isn't "The Bubblebutt and TrophyHandle Ears sexy time variety hour," , it IS Transformers, I'd like to see some Transformers.

The Decepticons really did get cheated in this movie.

The best probability is that we will see Bruticus in the next movie(s).

Devastator? His adminitrative and cinematic weaknesses have been discussed in this thread. Enough said.

And Menasor? He doesn't have any relevance to the atmosphere of the movie. Hollywood's TF is about military, not some fancy racing cars battling against Autobots.

Damolisher wrote:I'd like someone more than the little scrag with the fat arse and the little tossbag from Even Stevens and his annoying parents to get screen time. Seriously, all the first movie was was your standard "OMG!!! AMERICA IS IN DANGER! Let's plug our soldiers!" movie with the "OMG! Sexless loser with annoying wannabe-that 70's Show parents forms friendship with decent looking chick and then hooks up with her which totally doesn't happen in real life!" sidestory, with a giant, confusing robot fight thrown in at the end. Seriously, I'd be surprised if too many people can remember the names of the Transformers, because there was no development. Most of the Decepticons didn't appear til the end of the movie!

Wow! It's like looking in a magic opinion mirror!

Yours AK