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Decepticon Spike wrote:

Daxmajor wrote:

Moonbase2 wrote:I will say this. Best Klingon moment ever: when Worf snaps Weyoun's neck and kills him on the spot.

That was awesome. Particularly since Weyoun was being so smug at the time. I so miss DS9 -- easily best Trek ever.

QFT

A heck of a lot better than the 7 of 9 show...I mean Voyager.

I always thought it was a shame that DS9 never had a chance to shine on it's own. It was forced to share air time with TNG initially and then later Voyager. It was as if Paramount treated DS9 as the bastard stepchild.

Personally I'd rate the modern Trek series (from best to worse):

1 DS9
2 TNG
3 Enterprise
4 Voyager

As for Rodimus, I've never owned his G1 toy (I'd like to) but I do have and recommend his 6" Titanium.

Enterprise is the worse Trek of all time. Absolutely dismal. You have to follow the Trek formula, or it's a bust! You can't have a Bon Jovi song or something as your theme song! Every other one has an orchestral theme! Grr! It didn't FEEL like Trek, just a low-budget, poor facsimile of a sci-fi show.

Best is DS9
then TOS
Voyager and TNG are tied
Trek bloopers and outtakes
probably TOS cartoon
Enterprise

Moonbase2 wrote:Enterprise is the worse Trek of all time. Absolutely dismal. You have to follow the Trek formula, or it's a bust! You can't have a Bon Jovi song or something as your theme song! Every other one has an orchestral theme! Grr! It didn't FEEL like Trek, just a low-budget, poor facsimile of a sci-fi show.

Best is DS9
then TOS
Voyager and TNG are tied
Trek bloopers and outtakes
probably TOS cartoon
Enterprise

Dude TNG far out ranks Voyager!!!!But your right on the rest.If it werent for 7 of 9 I dont think I would have watched Voyager as long as I did.

The Next Generation suffered from the 80s syndrome. It was supposed to take place in the future, yet everyone had an 80s hairdo and a lot of tones and colors of furniture and stuff were 80s. The show isn't bad, it's just not great. For as much as I love DS9 and TOS, I should've been able to get into this Trek as well. But no. The stories and characters aren't nearly as compelling as DS9.

Daxmajor wrote:

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Daxmajor wrote:

Moonbase2 wrote:I will say this. Best Klingon moment ever: when Worf snaps Weyoun's neck and kills him on the spot.

That was awesome. Particularly since Weyoun was being so smug at the time. I so miss DS9 -- easily best Trek ever.

QFT

A heck of a lot better than the 7 of 9 show...I mean Voyager.

I always thought it was a shame that DS9 never had a chance to shine on it's own. It was forced to share air time with TNG initially and then later Voyager. It was as if Paramount treated DS9 as the bastard stepchild.

Personally I'd rate the modern Trek series (from best to worse):

1 DS9
2 TNG
3 Enterprise
4 Voyager

As for Rodimus, I've never owned his G1 toy (I'd like to) but I do have and recommend his 6" Titanium.

Switch TNG and Enterprise around, and I'd agree 100%!
As for the Rodumus toy, I prefer the G1 to the titianum. Sure G1 Roddy is a brick, but his truck mode is better, and makes a better display piece, IMO.

You guys liked Enterprise that much??????????I think it was the worst of all the Trek's!!!!!!!!I still watched every week cause bad Trek is better then no Trek!!!!!!!

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:You guys liked Enterprise that much??????????I think it was the worst of all the Trek's!!!!!!!!I still watched every week cause bad Trek is better then no Trek!!!!!!!

I liked Enterprise over TNG cause it was more like TOS, with it being more like a "we're on our own" as opposed to TNG's "Starfleet command is just a phone call away".

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:You guys liked Enterprise that much??????????I think it was the worst of all the Trek's!!!!!!!!I still watched every week cause bad Trek is better then no Trek!!!!!!!

Like Voyager, Enterprise in general was more bad than good. Even so, I have to admit that I found myself really enjoying the third and fourth season. Enterprise ended up being good mindless fun, whereas Voyager rarely seemed better than meh in any respect.

TNG is kind of bland and dated now but one has to respect the quality of story, character, and acting in the show. It also was a series that did a great job of being true to the franchise. There's also the fact that it's the only recent show that's managed to spin off into the cinema (even if First Contact is the only true success there).

Enterprise (at least what I've seen) has a much smaller pool of aliens to showcase (basically the Vulcans, Klingons, and maybe Romulans, as far as I know) and dang it, it doesn't FEEL like Star Trek. So I lost interest immediately. That's why I feel meh about a ST prequel movie. They better respect the original set designs if they're gonna have me believe this is Kirk and Spock I'm seeing.

Voyager is just meh. Nothing great, nothing terrible. So is TNG. But DS9...that's different. They went in a new direction, showed sides of Starfleet and their officers we've never seen before. We got to see them in ongoing stories with the same characters in the same settings. I LOVE Gul Dukat's character, and enjoyed his descent into utter madness (not to mention his relationship with Kira). Odo made for an interesting alien, and we got to see him slowly blossom over the years. And Kira, how she went from a furious hothead to someone softer and wiser...I just didn't see this kind of development in any other Trek, and almost no other show period. It's gold.

Moonbase2 wrote:Enterprise (at least what I've seen) has a much smaller pool of aliens to showcase (basically the Vulcans, Klingons, and maybe Romulans, as far as I know) and dang it, it doesn't FEEL like Star Trek. So I lost interest immediately. That's why I feel meh about a ST prequel movie. They better respect the original set designs if they're gonna have me believe this is Kirk and Spock I'm seeing.

Voyager is just meh. Nothing great, nothing terrible. So is TNG. But DS9...that's different. They went in a new direction, showed sides of Starfleet and their officers we've never seen before. We got to see them in ongoing stories with the same characters in the same settings. I LOVE Gul Dukat's character, and enjoyed his descent into utter madness (not to mention his relationship with Kira). Odo made for an interesting alien, and we got to see him slowly blossom over the years. And Kira, how she went from a furious hothead to someone softer and wiser...I just didn't see this kind of development in any other Trek, and almost no other show period. It's gold.

DS9 was also the first Trek made after Gene Roddenberry's death in 1991, so was the first time the producers were aboe to break his "everyone on the ship gets along" rule, which made it more real, IMO.

[quote="Moonbase2"]

Voyager is just meh. Nothing great, nothing terrible. So is TNG. But DS9...that's different. They went in a new direction, [\quote]

But the one thing i didnt like about DS9, due to it being set on a space station was that it was a little too static compared with TNG and Voyager, Voyager in particular had the 'boldly going where no one has gone before' spirit that hadnt really been seen since TOS

Robo-Chugster wrote:

Moonbase2 wrote:
Voyager is just meh. Nothing great, nothing terrible. So is TNG. But DS9...that's different. They went in a new direction, [\quote]

But the one thing i didnt like about DS9, due to it being set on a space station was that it was a little too static compared with TNG and Voyager, Voyager in particular had the 'boldly going where no one has gone before' spirit that hadnt really been seen since TOS

But having it in a space station didn't limit the stories completely. You had the delta quadrant and the Bajoran/Cardassian conflict. And of course, the war. Voyager's characters just don't interest me like DS9's.

Moonbase2 wrote:

Robo-Chugster wrote:

Moonbase2 wrote:
Voyager is just meh. Nothing great, nothing terrible. So is TNG. But DS9...that's different. They went in a new direction, [\quote]

But the one thing i didnt like about DS9, due to it being set on a space station was that it was a little too static compared with TNG and Voyager, Voyager in particular had the 'boldly going where no one has gone before' spirit that hadnt really been seen since TOS

But having it in a space station didn't limit the stories completely. You had the delta quadrant and the Bajoran/Cardassian conflict. And of course, the war. Voyager's characters just don't interest me like DS9's.

Dude DS9 had the Gama quadrant.Voyager was lost in the Delta quadrant.

Ok, if you guys want to talk Star Trek start a thread about it in the GD forum. Stop derailing this thread. If I see one more post about Star Trek in this thread you will get a warning.

DS9 was more about developing what was already established and used episode arcs to do so effectively. Voyager seemed to rely on an "alien-of-the-week" type structure and had almost entirely stand alone episodes. This made Voyager more like TOS, but DS9 made for superior story telling and character development. Heck, even most of the DS9 bad guys (Dukat, Weyoun, Damar etc) had better character development than the main cast of Voyager.

edit - Oops. Hot Rod, your post wasn't there when I was writing the above. Granted I started the thread to begin with too.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Moonbase2 wrote:

Robo-Chugster wrote:

Moonbase2 wrote:
Voyager is just meh. Nothing great, nothing terrible. So is TNG. But DS9...that's different. They went in a new direction, [\quote]

But the one thing i didnt like about DS9, due to it being set on a space station was that it was a little too static compared with TNG and Voyager, Voyager in particular had the 'boldly going where no one has gone before' spirit that hadnt really been seen since TOS

But having it in a space station didn't limit the stories completely. You had the delta quadrant and the Bajoran/Cardassian conflict. And of course, the war. Voyager's characters just don't interest me like DS9's.

Dude DS9 had the Gama quadrant.Voyager was lost in the Delta quadrant.

Oops! My bad. Let's move it to the other thread, folks. And I have no idea why I said Delta. Eek.