The Energon Pub

Look people I am not saying anything more on the Origins or what is Sari Sumdac theory anymore.

Now that Animated is back on I suggest we all just sit back and enjoy in what could also be the last season of the animated series, lets hope to god that it isnt.

I think they should drag out and keep around animated until at least season 4 and a season 5 seems highly unlikely, but they are so many ways that they could drag out the show and make it into a 5 season deal I mean they are so many things going on and also they can bring in someone who could be the ultimate bad guy I mean someone worser than Unicron but not Unicron or maybe they can turn him into something like the Fallen his from TF 2 and have nothing to do with Unicron he is his own being/seperate character.


Whatever the deal is with animated we know this is going to be another stellar/awesome season maybe even more epic than the 1st 2 were.

If "Transwarped" was any indications on what to expect in this season than I say yes it will be.

But "Transwarped" seemed more like a movie than a single episode well actually it is 3 episodes together as it is in 3 parts.

I am not discussing Sari anymore or talking about Animated anymore for awhile, I am just going to come on here check out the front page see what kind of new news there is on Transformers and see if any kina spoilers on season 3.

I have said my peace about animated and about Sari Sumdace, look we can talk to we are blue in the face and nothing will be fixed about revealing the fate of Animated or the Origins of Sari Sumdac.

I suggest we sit back wait and watch Animated Season 3, when S3 is eventually overwith then would be the time to get on here and discuss about Sari and the future of the series if they will be a future of it.

Not why it isnt even 2 or 3 episodes into the season. We dont know what is going to happen so that gives us no right to talk about something we dont know.

Lets all just enjoy Season 3 and eventually all will be revealed !!!

A Transformers Fan
Rodimus2006

Hurr hurr hurr..

Sari is not Arcee so you guys can mark out that theory I contacted Derek Wyatt from Animated he stated that it is way off base.

Also I got to thinking about it more myself and I remembered Sari's Protoform Statis Pod she was found in it was small like a little Baby and it was Liquid Metal.

But Prowl said it was the bases for all Cybertronain Life the Protoform scaned Sumdac's DNA and thus it became the Sari we all no today.

On were/when then Protoform was sent from either from the past, present or the future we all know there is more to it than meets the eye.

It is not Arcee so get over it. Also Arcee is a grown female Autobot while the one in the Stasis Pod was just a little baby so there is another fact to fit it Sari is not Arcee.

So I will just watch Season 3 and see what it is what my self.

Shadowman wrote:

Optimus Primevil wrote:second, if sari did came from megatron (with the aforementioned budding theory by shadowman), would that mean if megatron kicks the bucket, sari by 'blood' would inherit his empire? saritron,empress of destruction might take a while getting used to. all she needs now is a laserbeak to make it official.

Just because I mentioned the budding theory, doesn't mean I LIKE the budding theory. But it at least has some credibility; Megatron, now just a head, comes back online long enough to see his sorry state, and split off an offspring.

i also didn't mention that you or i liked it but with the so far presented forms of TF reproduction, that's the most logical explanation but evidence also contradicts this (megs not knowing where he is until 'home is where the spark is').

and despite being not a total human, IMO sari got more powers/abilities as a hybrid than kicker ever got AND he got blessed by a freaking god.

The best theories come from evidence already presented. Coming up with behind-the-scenes turnabouts is just not playing the game well.

One question to ponder: what is a protoform? We haven't seen this concept in Animated before, have we? it might be something well different from Beast Wars.

Here are the theories I like:

Sari as Mega-bud As far as we know, the only cybertronian in the lab was Megatron. This is the only theory with solid evidence.

Sari as Arcee There was a heck of alot of Arcee footage in the episode. Bridging the gap between plots is not all that fat-fetched. And just because an insider denied it, doesn't mean it's not true.

Sari as her own lovechild with Bumblebee This insane theory passes the "just crazy enough" test. There are character ties between these two. Whether they're romantic....

Shadowman wrote:

Badass Grimlock wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Optimus Primevil wrote:second, if sari did came from megatron (with the aforementioned budding theory by shadowman), would that mean if megatron kicks the bucket, sari by 'blood' would inherit his empire? saritron,empress of destruction might take a while getting used to. all she needs now is a laserbeak to make it official.

Just because I mentioned the budding theory, doesn't mean I LIKE the budding theory. But it at least has some credibility; Megatron, now just a head, comes back online long enough to see his sorry state, and split off an offspring.

I don't agree with this budding theory at all. If she was a Decepticon, her upgrade would have had red eyes.

Hey, I never said I believed it, but it is the slightest bit possible.

And she had red eyes before her upgrade.

Sari's eyes only became blue because of the allspark, if it wasn't for the allspark, they would still be red.

nightbolt wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Badass Grimlock wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Optimus Primevil wrote:second, if sari did came from megatron (with the aforementioned budding theory by shadowman), would that mean if megatron kicks the bucket, sari by 'blood' would inherit his empire? saritron,empress of destruction might take a while getting used to. all she needs now is a laserbeak to make it official.

Just because I mentioned the budding theory, doesn't mean I LIKE the budding theory. But it at least has some credibility; Megatron, now just a head, comes back online long enough to see his sorry state, and split off an offspring.

I don't agree with this budding theory at all. If she was a Decepticon, her upgrade would have had red eyes.

Hey, I never said I believed it, but it is the slightest bit possible.

And she had red eyes before her upgrade.

Sari's eyes only became blue because of the allspark, if it wasn't for the allspark, they would still be red.

Except that the Allspark only ever brought online Neutral transformers.

Lorekeeper wrote:The best theories come from evidence already presented. Coming up with behind-the-scenes turnabouts is just not playing the game well.

One question to ponder: what is a protoform? We haven't seen this concept in Animated before, have we? it might be something well different from Beast Wars.

Here are the theories I like:

Sari as Mega-bud As far as we know, the only cybertronian in the lab was Megatron. This is the only theory with solid evidence.

Sari as Arcee There was a heck of alot of Arcee footage in the episode. Bridging the gap between plots is not all that fat-fetched. And just because an insider denied it, doesn't mean it's not true.

Sari as her own lovechild with Bumblebee This insane theory passes the "just crazy enough" test. There are character ties between these two. Whether they're romantic....

I don't think Budding has a thing to do with it. The concept itself has been so far left behind, and so few fans know what it is I think. It just wouldn't be apt to put such an obscure concept into a show filled with very obvious references.

Sari as Arcee, well, meh. Ratchet would be the only Transformers compassionate enough to have tried to preserve Arcee and he would have made the link between what putting Arcee's spark in a small protoform, and the protoform showing up on Earth, presumably after he chucked it through a Space Bridge, which would, incidently, be a dumb idea since the exit point was presumably random (else he'd have had something to say about Earth when they arrived) meaning she could have ended up on an asteroid in the middle of space with no one to look after her. Not a very medibot thing to do I think.

My theory, however, is brilliant. I don't see a single flaw in it and if anybody questions it I'll have to set them on fire.

BUMBLEBEE AND SARI 4EVAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Lorekeeper wrote:And just because an insider denied it, doesn't mean it's not true.

It's not "an insider" it's Derrick Wyatt. He's the lead character designer. You can take him at face value.

Shadowman wrote:

Lorekeeper wrote:And just because an insider denied it, doesn't mean it's not true.

It's not "an insider" it's Derrick Wyatt. He's the lead character designer. You can take him at face value.

Maybe, but that's less fun.

Maybe the protoform came from inside Megs. That's why PMS-e.

Technically weird wrote:Maybe the protoform came from inside Megs.

Yes, we already talked about that in the budding theory. No one really liked it.

Technically weird wrote:That's why PMS-e.

What do you mean by that?

I dont know what the Origins or Sari is I just know it is nothing to do with what we have been talking about.

I suspect it will all be revealed in Season 3 and will be a total shocker to all of us.

Whatever her origins are We all know that they more than meets the eys to Sari she is not your ordinary little girl she isnt even human and she is even unique for a Cybertronian view.

The way she upgrades, her abilites the way she changes, her protoform liquid metal body she is definatly something unique and I cant find out what for now I will simply watch and see what is revealed.

Megatron - Sari = No

Sari - Arcee - No

Diffrent & Unique = Yes what that is and her past history remians a mystery how she got to Earth, is she an Autobot or a Decipticon or something else, who sent her to earth, or when or where in time did she come from the past, present or the future.

We dont know but I do know it will be something totally off the wall and will be really special but I have a hutch that it wont be revealed until either Mid-Season or at the Season 3 final itself.

Whatever the case is we now have another reason to stay glued to animated so wait and watch and I gaurantee that season 3 will not be a disappointment.

Rodimus2006 wrote:I dont know what the Origins or Sari is I just know it is nothing to do with what we have been talking about.

I suspect it will all be revealed in Season 3 and will be a total shocker to all of us.

Whatever her origins are We all know that they more than meets the eys to Sari she is not your ordinary little girl she isnt even human and she is even unique for a Cybertronian view.

The way she upgrades, her abilites the way she changes, her protoform liquid metal body she is definatly something unique and I cant find out what for now I will simply watch and see what is revealed.

Megatron - Sari = No

Sari - Arcee - No

Diffrent & Unique = Yes what that is and her past history remians a mystery how she got to Earth, is she an Autobot or a Decipticon or something else, who sent her to earth, or when or where in time did she come from the past, present or the future.

We dont know but I do know it will be something totally off the wall and will be really special but I have a hutch that it wont be revealed until either Mid-Season or at the Season 3 final itself.

Whatever the case is we now have another reason to stay glued to animated so wait and watch and I gaurantee that season 3 will not be a disappointment.

You should write blurbs.

Scatterlung wrote:
My theory, however, is brilliant. I don't see a single flaw in it and if anybody questions it I'll have to set myself on fire.

FIXED!

as for the sari is arcee theory, i'm under the impression that tfs can't revert to being protoforms. for all intents and purposes, arcee's just unable to recall vital autobot intel so there's no reason for a total system reboot.

and i'm under the impression that ratchet has the more meaningful relationship with sari than bumblebee ever did <runs>

I think that the relationship between Ratchet and Sari is something of a Father Daugterly time or a student teacher type.

Ratchet cares deeply for Sari but he is afraid to show is feelings in public but you can tell about how this bye how he helps Sari and he is even saved her on 1 or 2 occassions.

The Relationshiop between BB and Sari is like Big Brother and little sister type deal not boyfriend and girlfriend.

Sari and BB always hang out together do things and hang out.

Yeah that is stupid why would they reboot Arcee as a Protoform Baby it makes no since plus Arcee is a full grown female.

Not unless they done it to make Arcee remember her memories eventually sort of like how you do a reboot on a computer maybe they done that with Arcee.

Rebooted her from Adulthood to childhood.

But nah I dont think Sari has anything to do with Arcee or with Megatron.

Sari origins is going to be unique and something we never are goiing to expect and will be something really special.

Sari has a special purpose in Animated and I cant wait to see what that will be.

so now that she's a fightning machine, does fanzone's suggestion to prowl not to teach sari any ninja moves is rendered void? that would be a cool sight to see.

also, in tf wikia, it was suggested that black convoy/scourge from car robots/RiD was a hermaphrodite because he scanned a female human. so if that's the case, would sari be one too (and tigatron... he scanned a female snow tiger) or the sex of the scanned living organism is not a factor for scanning alt modes?

For the record, the 'Megatron is Sari's pappy' theory been covered at much length at Prowlatron's arguably brilliant 'Megatron Sumdac' mashups. Such as here.

Therefore I hereby declare that if it turns out Megatron has something to do with how Sari came to be, the TFA writers are ripping off a sixteen-year-old girl, and the well of creativity has officially been dried up to a thin oily residue.

HK, plagiarize/plague your eyes. Same-same.

Optimus Primevil wrote:so now that she's a fightning machine, does fanzone's suggestion to prowl not to teach sari any ninja moves is rendered void? that would be a cool sight to see.

also, in tf wikia, it was suggested that black convoy/scourge from car robots/RiD was a hermaphrodite because he scanned a female human. so if that's the case, would sari be one too (and tigatron... he scanned a female snow tiger) or the sex of the scanned living organism is not a factor for scanning alt modes?

Well, a protoform seems to have its own predetermined sex (or gender if sex is merely a visage). Whatever is scanned must be applied to the existing character. Isaac is male, but obviously, as far as we know, Sari is female, because her protoform was, I think, female also. There might be a common trait amongst the male and female sexes that protoforms recognise and respond to. So if a female protoform (Sari), comes into contact with a male human (Isaac), it will take their genetic information (and little else) and apply it to itself.

That said, I don't think its prudent to look back to older generations. You'll find that different writers follow different rules. So what applies to The Beast Wars wont likely apply here.

Interestingly, the wasp Waspinator scanned is female.

Rodimus2006 wrote:I dont know what the Origins or Sari is I just know it is nothing to do with what we have been talking about.

I suspect it will all be revealed in Season 3 and will be a total shocker to all of us.

Whatever her origins are We all know that they more than meets the eys to Sari she is not your ordinary little girl she isnt even human and she is even unique for a Cybertronian view.

The way she upgrades, her abilites the way she changes, her protoform liquid metal body she is definatly something unique and I cant find out what for now I will simply watch and see what is revealed.

Megatron - Sari = No

Sari - Arcee - No

Diffrent & Unique = Yes what that is and her past history remians a mystery how she got to Earth, is she an Autobot or a Decipticon or something else, who sent her to earth, or when or where in time did she come from the past, present or the future.

We dont know but I do know it will be something totally off the wall and will be really special but I have a hutch that it wont be revealed until either Mid-Season or at the Season 3 final itself.

Whatever the case is we now have another reason to stay glued to animated so wait and watch and I gaurantee that season 3 will not be a disappointment.

Except it was.

And now, TFA is finished, with no indication of Sari Sumdac's origins other than what was revealed in Transwarped. No off the wall or special stuff. For all we know, she is still an unique protoform, mysteriously appearing in a lab.

Which is why I'm re-opening the thread for discussion.

Here's another crack at the "Autobot Extinction" idea, sans extinction:

A3 (Alpha Trion was not called Alpha Trion at the time) was very intrested in organics, especially humans. He loved their culture, their freedom, and their power. And he came to the idea of this:

Why not create something that looks human-ish? And he could see what it feels like to be human?

He then talked Perceptor into this, and Perceptor reluctantly agreed. They then turned a pile of circuits, sensors and liquid metal into something that resembled a human fetus (Since this was part of A3's blueprint). Perceptor stepped in here. He programmed a scenario into the protoform, and it worked like this: When an innocent human tries to touch the shell in which the protoform arrived in, it will send out an electric shock that will white out the toucher. The fingerprints of the human are scanned and copied into the protoform, resembling the boy/girl equivalent of the human. A3 agreed to this. They then sent the protoform through a Space Bridge, exactly where they wanted to: Sumdac Tower.

A3 originally could monitor the protoform's activity through its eyes. He felt guilty about this, though, and then terminated contact with the protoform, saying that it "Shouldn't be spied on." Little did he know that the protoform was a girl, and her name was now Sari Sumdac.

It sounds probable, sure. I think it was just a prototype protoform, perhaps to look into something along the lines of the "Maximal upgrade," downsizing TFs to increase efficiency and decrease Energon consumption. But it was lost in a Transwarp accident (And we know how utterly random those can be) and ended up in Issac Sumdac's lab, right next to Megatron. It scanned a local lifeform (Megatron not being a local lifeform) and wound up with it's alt mode being human.

Shadowman wrote:It sounds probable, sure. I think it was just a prototype protoform, perhaps to look into something along the lines of the "Maximal upgrade," downsizing TFs to increase efficiency and decrease Energon consumption. But it was lost in a Transwarp accident (And we know how utterly random those can be) and ended up in Issac Sumdac's lab, right next to Megatron. It scanned a local lifeform (Megatron not being a local lifeform) and wound up with it's alt mode being human.

Your theory is probable as well. Thanks for agreeing with me and not thinking that Sari is her own baby.