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Scorponok is dead. Dead-friggity-dead.

"Transformers were shown to have regenerative abilities. Scorponok only has his tail severed. He could've repaired himself."

That's like saying I could survive a bullet wound in the heart, as long as I form scar tissue.

So Scorponok got his tail blown off. But what about the rest of him? What's not to say his spark wasn't damaged, and he was dying, with no hope for survival?

What if other vital "Organs" were damaged? A fuel tank might've been cut. Perhaps he only had enough left to bury himself. Why? To avoid further humiliation. Or perhaps he was like Predators, and he didn't want Transformer technology in humans hands. (Since one of the Decepticons goals was finding Megatron's location, they didn't know Transformer tech had already been reverse engineered)

So please, if you have any other thoughts as to why he might still be alive, I'll gladly play a good ol' fashion game of "Point/Counterpoint" with you.

You're working entirely on supposition. The entirity of the damage he may or may not have taken was not shown. As such his status can not be logically determined. Much like Barricade we don't have a definitive answer and won't unless such information is made available in the next movie.

It could be that he is in hiding licking his wounds. Equally likely is he took a great deal of damage and did in fact die. But as I said we can't make a final determination with the information we possess.

personally i think barricade left just before the final battle to find frenzy , and as for scorpy i reckon he will survive

Nemesis Hacker wrote:as for scorpy i reckon he will survive

How so?

scorpy possibaly went into a statis lock

he's alive because its a movie and that how movies are made. screen writers dont write like that.... screen writers write by having the average person's intelligence in mind. what i mean is, if what you're saying is true, then they wouldve shown a fuel tank being shot or him actually dying because people arent supposed to figure out the movie on their own. he survived. how? because one thing is for certain, we saw him retreat. and generally, speaking, when people see 'retreating' its because theyre running away to stay alive. thats what the writers intended. if its not, then thats poor writing because they left the audience to believe he's dead without actually showing him die. Transformers wasnt a "thinking man's" movie, in which there are deeper meanings; leaving the viewer to speculate a characters fate. however, for a general audience type of film, things are straight to the point as to what we see on screen. writers dont intend on people figuring out whether he's dead or not. we didnt exactly see him die, which means he's alive. what we already know that transformers are not from earth, therefore possessing powers and capabilities unknown to man. so even though scorponok got an asswhooping that is immense on a human scale, the audience already knows that the bots are stronger than human capabilities due to their nature of not being native to earth. what we do know is that blackout, devastator, megs, and bonecrusher are dead, because we saw them die. barricade, starscream, and scorponok are still alive because they did not show them die onscreen. leaving a plot for part 2. however, having them die when they did not show them exactly dying; leaving the audience to figure that out on their own simply wouldve been poor writing.

tom brokaw wrote:he's alive because its a movie and that how movies are made. screen writers dont write like that.... screen writers write by having the average person's intelligence in mind. what i mean is, if what you're saying is true, then they wouldve shown a fuel tank being shot or him actually dying because people arent supposed to figure out the movie on their own. he survived. how? because one thing is for certain, we saw him retreat. and generally, speaking, when people see 'retreating' its because theyre running away to stay alive. thats what the writers intended. if its not, then thats poor writing because they left the audience to believe he's dead without actually showing him die. Transformers wasnt a "thinking man's" movie, in which there are deeper meanings; leaving the viewer to speculate a characters fate. however, for a general audience type of film, things are straight to the point as to what we see on screen. writers dont intend on people figuring out whether he's dead or not. we didnt exactly see him die, which means he's alive. what we already know that transformers are not from earth, therefore possessing powers and capabilities unknown to man. so even though scorponok got an asswhooping that is immense on a human scale, the audience already knows that the bots are stronger than human capabilities due to their nature of not being native to earth. what we do know is that blackout, devastator, megs, and bonecrusher are dead, because we saw them die. barricade, starscream, and scorponok are still alive because they did not show them die onscreen. leaving a plot for part 2. however, having them die when they did not show them exactly dying; leaving the audience to figure that out on their own simply wouldve been poor writing.

There's no sing-song voice for text, so I'll just say this:

You're still assuming.

Shadowman wrote:

tom brokaw wrote:he's alive because its a movie and that how movies are made. screen writers dont write like that.... screen writers write by having the average person's intelligence in mind. what i mean is, if what you're saying is true, then they wouldve shown a fuel tank being shot or him actually dying because people arent supposed to figure out the movie on their own. he survived. how? because one thing is for certain, we saw him retreat. and generally, speaking, when people see 'retreating' its because theyre running away to stay alive. thats what the writers intended. if its not, then thats poor writing because they left the audience to believe he's dead without actually showing him die. Transformers wasnt a "thinking man's" movie, in which there are deeper meanings; leaving the viewer to speculate a characters fate. however, for a general audience type of film, things are straight to the point as to what we see on screen. writers dont intend on people figuring out whether he's dead or not. we didnt exactly see him die, which means he's alive. what we already know that transformers are not from earth, therefore possessing powers and capabilities unknown to man. so even though scorponok got an asswhooping that is immense on a human scale, the audience already knows that the bots are stronger than human capabilities due to their nature of not being native to earth. what we do know is that blackout, devastator, megs, and bonecrusher are dead, because we saw them die. barricade, starscream, and scorponok are still alive because they did not show them die onscreen. leaving a plot for part 2. however, having them die when they did not show them exactly dying; leaving the audience to figure that out on their own simply wouldve been poor writing.

There's no sing-song voice for text, so I'll just say this:

You're still assuming.

tbo, i think that he makes some good pionts

Shadowman wrote:

tom brokaw wrote:he's alive because its a movie and that how movies are made. screen writers dont write like that.... screen writers write by having the average person's intelligence in mind. what i mean is, if what you're saying is true, then they wouldve shown a fuel tank being shot or him actually dying because people arent supposed to figure out the movie on their own. he survived. how? because one thing is for certain, we saw him retreat. and generally, speaking, when people see 'retreating' its because theyre running away to stay alive. thats what the writers intended. if its not, then thats poor writing because they left the audience to believe he's dead without actually showing him die. Transformers wasnt a "thinking man's" movie, in which there are deeper meanings; leaving the viewer to speculate a characters fate. however, for a general audience type of film, things are straight to the point as to what we see on screen. writers dont intend on people figuring out whether he's dead or not. we didnt exactly see him die, which means he's alive. what we already know that transformers are not from earth, therefore possessing powers and capabilities unknown to man. so even though scorponok got an asswhooping that is immense on a human scale, the audience already knows that the bots are stronger than human capabilities due to their nature of not being native to earth. what we do know is that blackout, devastator, megs, and bonecrusher are dead, because we saw them die. barricade, starscream, and scorponok are still alive because they did not show them die onscreen. leaving a plot for part 2. however, having them die when they did not show them exactly dying; leaving the audience to figure that out on their own simply wouldve been poor writing.

There's no sing-song voice for text, so I'll just say this:

You're still assuming.

no, because theres no proof that he's dead. and the last scene we saw him in he was alive.

....you cant kill off a character without killing them....

all im saying is that its simple story telling. if they wanted him dead then they wouldve shown him dead.

No no...you're all wrong...he's going to come back as a quadruple-changing helicopter/cicada/robot/flyingsaucer...insect.

Scorponok survived. I can say this with certainty because of a few simple factors and story-telling law. First, we don't see him die; we don't see a body. Rule number one in storytelling If you don't see a body, they're not dead. On top of that, In some cases (such as comic books and Transformers), even if there is a body, that doesn't mean that they will stay dead. We can expect Megatron, and probably at least some of the other Decepticon casualties to "return from the dead" in TF2. Transformers can survive massive amounts of damage, which will usually result in stasis lock, but even then, it is rarely permanent. Only destruction of the spark is permanent, and one of the few ways to do that is to destroy their brain case. Even decapitation is survivable, so Bonecrusher could still be rebuilt, since all that happened to him was his head was cut off, just like Frenzy. Secondly, his tail was still functional. If he were dead, his tail would be too. Third, Cybertronians have tremendous regenerative capabilities; not only in the movie, where it is specifically shown, but also in existing TF lore. That was why they sent the "dead" Decepticons to the bottom of the ocean. It was to try and keep them from regenerating and keep them in stasis lock by keeping them in the sub-zero cold and under crushing pressure. I would say that the only one who is likely permanently dead is Frenzy because his head was destroyed—his brain case cut in half by his own weapon.

^good post....
....very misleading title. scorponok is alive and need to be adressed. bump.

If just his tail came back to life while on the gurney, then why couldn't the rest of his Intact body come back to life?

Do scorpions regenerate tails like lizards? Seriously, I don't know. I'm stupid like that. Thats what I get for posting after playing 3 hours of beer pong and flip cup....

I don't think Scorpy died after the fight with the SOCCENT survivors. I do think it's entirely possible, however, he died in the end battle, along with Blackout.

With the Allspark close at hand, I can't imagine why the Decepticons would hold any soldiers back. Given the fact that he usually merges with Blackout, I can't think of any reason why he wouldn't be reattached to him. And we can't be sure of how Blackout's death might have affected him.

However, it is very true... if it doesn't happen on screen, it doesn't happen. So if the new writers has an idea of how to use Scorponok in the next movie, he could come back. I just don't see him as likely a candidate as Barricade(whose death was shown in the comic and the novelization, but was cut from the final release).

I wouldn't go as far as to say he is definitely alive, but there's no evidence of a confirmed death, either, so he's you can't say he's dead.

I don't know what the honest answer is, but I can say that he's most likely alive.

Why?

Starscream is the only confirmed, remaining Decepticon. (ooh. what a threat.)

But if Scorponok and Barricade are still alive (which it would seem) that might up the threat factor.

Not to mention, we never did see what happened to Dispensor (Mountain Dew machine) last we saw, he was clearly alive and quite deadly. Oh and the Escalade that grabbed the woman's head, etc.

It would be a ragtag team, but Starscream's persistent enough to carry on and force them into his team.

Autobot032 wrote:I don't know what the honest answer is, but I can say that he's most likely alive.

Why?

Starscream is the only confirmed, remaining Decepticon. (ooh. what a threat.)

But if Scorponok and Barricade are still alive (which it would seem) that might up the threat factor.

Not to mention, we never did see what happened to Dispensor (Mountain Dew machine) last we saw, he was clearly alive and quite deadly. Oh and the Escalade that grabbed the woman's head, etc.

It would be a ragtag team, but Starscream's persistent enough to carry on and force them into his team.

I dount that's gonna be the entire Decepticon force in the next movie. Didn't we see Starscream leaving the atmosphere? When I saw that I took it that he was going off to get more Decepticons

tom brokaw wrote:^good post....
....very misleading title. scorponok is alive and need to be adressed. bump.

Yeah,because Scorponok went underground to stay there and play with his WII and drink Mountian Dew till the movie ends and then he comes back and then StarSceam pissed off does it with Scorponok. I'm Evil.

A scorpion can lose it's tail and still survive and I'm pretty sure a robotic one would have an even greater chance of survival.

'nuff said. Though I don't think he'll be back for no.2 - he just won't be seen again. I don't know how much you can do with a scorpion robot that doesn't even transform and seems limited to sandy areas.

well dident they say on the ship wid his tail that the metal is regenertable or something, also the only reason i would say he his dead is if he had a 'symbiotic' releationship with blackout, but it could also be said that if they do and scorpy suvived...blackout will return who knows....

And as for new decpticons i would like to see

>Soundwave
>Shockwave
>Wreckage

... well Megatron looked a lot more dead than Scorpy and you just know he'll be back. i don't belive any of the TF's will die and stay dead. things can always be rebuilt thanks to the creative minds(hopefully) of the writers.

Skowl wrote:A scorpion can lose it's tail and still survive and I'm pretty sure a robotic one would have an even greater chance of survival.

'nuff said. Though I don't think he'll be back for no.2 - he just won't be seen again. I don't know how much you can do with a scorpion robot that doesn't even transform and seems limited to sandy areas.

Maybe he'll team up with a foreign leader named Zarak...

Skowl wrote:A scorpion can lose it's tail and still survive and I'm pretty sure a robotic one would have an even greater chance of survival.

'nuff said. Though I don't think he'll be back for no.2 - he just won't be seen again. I don't know how much you can do with a scorpion robot that doesn't even transform and seems limited to sandy areas.

Yes, but if you stab it in the heart, or the stomach, or any other vital organ is damaged, it dies.

I'm not saying it was him getting his tail ripped off did him in, I'm saying he died a slow, painful death after escaping.

And he probably escaped to avoid further humiliation.

'm not saying it was him getting his tail ripped off did him in, I'm saying he died a slow, painful death after escaping.

And he probably escaped to avoid further humiliation.

Perhaps. But, as many in this topic have said, you're extrapolating outside the story space. From the information given in the movie, we cannot make a clear determination. If he appears in the sequel(which I hope he does; with a real robot mode this time *thumbs up*), we can obviously assume he survived. Otherwise, we'll be able to assume he died.