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I feel that the beginning sections of the movie is great with good coherence and the characters truly pull out great performance, and the treachery of sentinel prime is the main highlight of the movie, but upon conquering Chicago, the remaining time was horribly done with some scenes unnecessary long particular the building scene involving those pesky humans while the final parts feel rushed up with Bay trying to kill so many characters almost simultaneously.And iff your are a transformers fan u should have notice the movie plot especially the later parts are recycle stroylines from the original G1 Sunbow cartoon like Humans kicking out the autobots, the decepticons trying to transport Cybertron and rebuilt it an earth's expense and plans using humans as slave, guess originality fly of the window the writer is either trying to be over nostalgic or lazy here. The only part truly satisfying is Sentinel prime treachery , I would not foresee this in a thousand years... the fact that the main villian of the whole damn show is an AUTOBOT!!! and not a decepticon!!! ahhahahaha well I also truly despise the way they treat megatron and shockawave which are my favorite transformers, come on shockwave being juz a very minor character and megatron being treated in the most undignifed way andd killed in a most disrespect way. Prime simply kill him without muc of a struggle, a losu end to an epic the novel adaptation ending is FAR FAR much better and logical. what do u guys think

Sentinel Prime is the first Transformer I have wanted to kill. What he did to Ironhide pissed me off.

I thought the movie was great, though. I wish Shockwave had some more speaking roles and that Megatron could have had a better fight with Optimus, but it didn't ruin the movie for me. I also want a Cyberverse toy of Shockwave's worm thing!

I know that Mr. Seibertron himself dropped a episode in his review. But after seeing the movie I can't help to be reminded of the second half of Season 2's "Attack of the Autobots".

You know, the one where the Decepticons pretend to be autobots. then the autobots are made by the Humans to leave earth. once they are on the shuttle, Megs sends them towards the sun.


on to the WTF moments...
This isn't complaining, more of a critique of the writing,and what the hell the writers were doing while writing...


Bumble Bee - really? this super advanced robot can't friggin talk yet?, he talked at the end of the 2007 movie? Also it was kind of cute when he would talk using the radio. But in DOTM it was was nothing but quotes, with almost no music. Ratchet fix his damn vocal processor already!

Megatron - So Star scream can throw is arm back on like easy time, but Megatron can't fix his face, and has now become a decrepid old man? Now on to the story, so Megatron originally came to the earth to find Sentinel, and not the Allspark. So does that mean the Allspark was just a bonus, or the Allspark was really lost and someone just happened to figure out it's location while already on Earth?

Sentinel prime here's where the **** just lacks structure. So Not only was Sentinel and Megs in Cohoots, but obviously Megs was planning on screwing over the Fallen. Or was Megatron gonna blow up the sun and leave Sentinel behind? I mean where does the Fallen even fit into this Trilogy, I mean I know his revenge was about 6 minutes of screen time, but now it just makes it that much more absurd.

The Twins- I thought they were amusing in ROTF. I thought it was a travesty when Bay took them out of DOTM. I mean why take away the one thing that the fans actually wanted to see happen... The Twins to DIE!. Instead we have a awkward scene with Bumble Bee falling down for no apparent reason. They just disappear, they drive into the NEST hanger, and then never seen again. Should have put them in.

Wheelie and Brains- Should have shown us what happened to these two, I hardly bet that they would have died from a ship landing in shallow water. These guys were much better this time around. Wheelie wasn't as annoying as the last movie, and they were definitely little Hero's.

Wheeljack- well that was a pointless character

Soundwave- They obviously dumbed him down for the live action films, I remember Soundwave being very sneaky and not putting himself in the direct line of fire. Cool character in the third film, epic ending for him, but really still.. didn't really have much purpose.

Optimus- Even robots get ptsd I guess. Optimus was a bad ass, and I can't say that enough. Although it was really lame having him get caught in cables, like he was some kind of monkey (lol). I have to admit, after reading the novel, I thought the novel ending was stupid. Why would anyone trust Megatron to go back to Cybertron and rebuild. So the movie ending turned that around, and it made much more sense. In my opinon of course.


The Spoilerish ending

So the end result is, the Decepticons are annihilated, Cybertron is destroyed ( folded in on it's self )Prime and the few remaining autobots are all that are left... unless there are random bot's flying through space ( only with the incredible technology of the magnificent Sky lynx!) and the earth is saved.. not really the right ending, I mean are the Transformers ever suppose to actually win?

The Future?


I feel there are only two ways that this can go. A Reboot back to a different universe. Or to actually go back in time with the current universe to an alternate past.

I have my own Idea of how both could be done, and are currently being looked at by publishing companies. Hopefully some one will write something that will bring another new Era to this great franchise.


hasta la vista BAYverse!

SlyTF1 wrote:

insanity 22 wrote:I loved the film but there was one thing that bugged me. Why would any human want to be a slave? Other than that it was great IMO.

Me. Not for any other human, but for an advanced alien race, hell yeah I would.

That's the worst thing I've read all day.

Maybe it's not only slavery but also life.

Red 50 wrote:Maybe it's not only slavery but also life.

So, it's spiritual death and a steady job for cowardly worthless people who choose that option.

Megatron came made the deal with Sentinel Prime about a billion years ago. Then he came to Earth looking for the Allspark. They obviously knew Sentinal Prime was on the moon thanks to Laserbeak and Soundwave and their links to NASA, but odds are, they just didn't give a crap about him. The deal was much more beneficial to Sentinel Prime than it was the Decepticons, so they were probably more than happy to let him rot there until the last movie when they were pretty much running out of options.

The Fallen has never made sense in this series though. He didn't make sense in TF2, and the fact that he and his actions are completely ignored in TF3 makes him even more mind boggling. The series only really works if you pretend TF2 never happened, which seems to be what Bay did, except for all the times Sam says he saved the world "twice."

karellan wrote:Megatron came made the deal with Sentinel Prime about a billion years ago. Then he came to Earth looking for the Allspark. They obviously knew Sentinal Prime was on the moon thanks to Laserbeak and Soundwave and their links to NASA, but odds are, they just didn't give a crap about him. The deal was much more beneficial to Sentinel Prime than it was the Decepticons, so they were probably more than happy to let him rot there until the last movie when they were pretty much running out of options.

The Fallen has never made sense in this series though. He didn't make sense in TF2, and the fact that he and his actions are completely ignored in TF3 makes him even more mind boggling. The series only really works if you pretend TF2 never happened, which seems to be what Bay did, except for all the times Sam says he saved the world "twice."

And let's not forget Megatron coming back to life!

If we watched the first film, then went straight to DotM, we would miss only 2 relevant parts from RotF: Megatron's resurrection and subsequent asswhooping which caused him to be the way he is in DotM. Everything else can be discarded.

I think I'm going to be re-posting this a lot:

Order of events as I see it:

1. Primes go to Earth for fuel, build harvester, find it to be inhabited by life, give up, The Fallen goes rogue.
2. War on Cybertron. The Fallen speaks to Megatron through the tomb thing in the books. The War is lost. Sentinel makes a pact with Megatron.
2.A) The Cube is shot into space. It's intelligent and redirects itself to Earth where the conflict will eventually take place.
2.B) Sentinel Prime leaves for Earth on account of either the Matrix or the Cube. He is shot down, Megatron believes him dead. No one else knows about the deal.
3. Megatron follows to Earth in search of the Cube.
4. Events of Movie 1.
5. Events of Movie 2. Megatron meets The Fallen in actuality and goes along with his plan assuming Sentinel is dead.
6. Rising Storm: Megatron finds Shockwave alive and information on Sentinel's moon crash.
7. Events of Movie 3.

It all does work if you assume that the random events leading to Earth were not random. We have to assume that the Primes' activities in the BC times were the instigator for both Sentinel and the Cube heading towards Earth. Everything fits (I think) if we assume those things.

EDIT: I think Sentinel did not take the Matrix because he HAD betrayed his and its ideals. I think the Matrix would have made him not commit planetary genocide and he knew that.

Well to be a slave or not to be - that may remain a constant debate. What isn't is the fact that Bay & Company marketed DOTM as the end of the trilogy and Shockwave as the villain and telling us that they had "fixed" the story line. Now, we all know that Bay loves his "plot diversions" but this was not the way to go about it. What villain in any movie goes the entire film hardly saying anything to anyone? And then what trilogy ends with even more and more questions?

Like Ryan stated - the CGI people (and stunt crews) who worked on this film all need to be congratulated and awarded for their fine work (which I hope does happen) but it's everything else that didn't work. And here is a fine example - this is part of a review by Tim Robey that came up when I googled DOTM reviews:

Bay needs only a handful of set pieces to show us why he commands these budgets and easily outdoes the previous two films with what he serves up here. A steel-and-glass Chicago skyscraper, tilting and tipping, becomes an unfortunate choice of human hideout when a huge, worm-like bot called Shockwave starts ploughing into it as well.

That says it all right there! The fact that Bay & Company couldn't take just one quick moment to explain what in the hell Shockwave was/where he came from and that he had a "pet" driller says everything we ever knew was unfortunately true about story and characterization in these last two movies of our beloved franchise. It's a shame too - DOTM was all within reach to be one of the best trilogy ending movies to end all trilogies. Anyway, here's the link to Tim's full review: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film ... eview.html

I don't really think of these three films as a trilogy, more as three films that, while loosely linked, are more than capable of standing on their own as independent stories.

Not everything has to be Lord of the Rings.

Ah, so I've been to the moon, and back.....
Mind you this is long, but they said share you review here so herei am doing just that. this was written without reading any of the previous comments, just fresh out of the theatre, so what i say is in no way influenced by any statements here....accept for the following two things.

So first thing is first, and this is directed to no one, just a pattern I'm seeing in reviews...two key points I will blow out of the water in terms of my own perception.

Yes, if you want to watch an academy award winning film, "Moon" is not it. I feel this is being used as a term to raise the bar of (Hey, if it isn't academy award material, it doesn't suck, cause it's not suppose to be right?) No, not right. Comparing any Michael Bay film to any Academy Award film in any context is just plain silly really. I have more choice words, but were gonna stick with silly, again for the sake of the kiddies here on this forum. But yeah, just because you open up with this, it isn't going to shift ones perspective, in fact it already feels like an off step coverup to "Moon's" faults that any reviewer whom would use this obviously know are there. A better use of awards would be the Razzie, (Hey, this movie is no Razzie award winner)...much more effective in saying it isn't that bad. Thats not what I'm saying, but something useful for the future.

Second, saying it's better then "Fallen"....that doesn't do any good either. Especially with an already strong founded hate against fallen....it's like me being served a dish of rotten eggs and the cook saying, "Hey, at least there's no maggots this go around right? right?" Yeah no, if I were to review Batman Begins with an opener like, "It aint no B&R!", just, just doesn't work. In fact it lowers one's initially unbiased overview even more.

So, that out of the way, onward to the review. Tiss be SPOILERS, this goes without saying.

Summary:
I'm going to summarize things first, being I just took a gander on what I wrote and damn if it isn't long. That said, my summary is that Moon is a great visual accomplishment worthy of anyone's portfolio reel be they digital artist or movie studio. As a movie however....sadly....I can't bring myself to say it's a good movie. It's a flashy movie, its a loud movie, there's robots, explosions, womens' underwear, but a good movie...no. Just another visual summer movie on par with Godzilla or 2012 or Spiderman 3, Terminator 3, X-Men 3....the list goes on. The biggest thing I have a problem with is the lack of character development. I will say if Speilberg does go forward with a 4th installment, I pray he does things on Cybertron, and hopefully an absence of human characters will force the writers to spew a little life into our giant alien robots. Impossible you say, without human characters? Nay, Pixar does this on a regular basis with animated cartoons, CARTOONS! In fact hey, what about Toy Story, which had human characters but they didn't pull away from the Woody or Buzz or Potatoe Head's character development, and that was a story revolving around non existent toys verses a live action film about existing robots toys, with back stories already fleshed out? I think it was Siebertron's review that I read that noted the Transformers really never developed as characters (for you picky f---rs, I'm paraphrasing, not quoting, relax) to Which I agree. For me, in these films, the humans became more of a crutch to fall back on to tell this story when the FX budget got too high or fleshing out entire characters verses just using old ones was deemed too much work. As for my reasons why this film is bad, they are many and to me, justified. So read on if you dare, if not, then not. But know this again isn't written out of malice or hate or just to win some non existent war...it's written cause thats just what I really think about "Moon". So grab some coco and enter my cerebral madness, if ye dare.

Visual effects!:

Right off the bat this franchise has one of the most killer effects to date. Everything is shiny, every transformation fluid when it needs to be and jarring when it's called for. I know people whom worked on the VFX and this will deff spruce up the ol resume. That being founded, I will say VFX alone will not make a film great. There have been tons of movies with great effects, doesn't make em great movies, just makes them eye candy. If thats your forte, great, fine, good on ya. However great effects aren't enough for me. In fact I know great movies with awful effects, Jaws is one. Left and right people swear to the moon (pun totally intended) that the shark looks fake, and it does! It's still a great film none the less. For "Moon", it's effects were fun, but in a day and age where every movie has tons of visuals an money thrown at it....there just has to be more. For me, this wasn't enough to get me on the "It's a great film" boat.

Characters!:

No Megan!!!!! This conversation has been beaten to death, revived by the director, and beaten to death yet again. But you know what, it's valid. In a day of character replacement, from Iron Man 2 to The Dark Knight, it's proven if you got the right actress, or actor, you soon become immersed in their performance and the story that their absence is soon just and after thought. This wasn't it, in fact I saw Moon with two other blokes whom don't even know this forum exists, they just enjoy movies. And within 7min of Carly's big debut, they turned to me with dead pan faces and just blurted..."Yeah, Megan is better". As for me, I'm a huge sucker for blonds, and accents, and Carly had both! And even then I couldn't jump on the Carly band wagon. I tried, but no dice. This for me is a good proven theory that when replacing an established character, Character acting trumps looks any day of the year. Again we go back to Dark Knight, when Holmes left and Maggie replaced her on screen, Maggie is no Holmes. Just right off the bat, based on shallow outward looks criteria, Holmes had that beat. But ya know what, Maggie brought more to the screen where it counted that I just raised an eye brow, shrugged, and re-immersed myself back into the story as the movie continued. Carly, no dice darlin. Megan still holds my cinematic heart.

As for character development in general, the thing about sequels is you have a chance to go deeper within your created character. You can show what you didn't get to in the first film due to any number of reasons. Mind you I'm not saying build a psych profile in a film about toys, but it doesn't take much to bring a character out of a familiar plot formula, and throw him/her in something else. For Prime, it was betrayal...and though you had some choice dialogue, "I was betrayed, you were betrayed, why were we betrayed?!?!?!!" I have to admit I've seen better character acting in an animated cartoon then what was executed in Moon. Which was a shame, cause I believe there really was a chance to go somewhere with that story arc....and it fell victim to "Hey, we can show more explosions and Fx here here here here....and here!"
Sam, ah poor Sam, I think the Sam character has no real depth to character short of screaming repeatedly and panicking like a sugar jacked squirrel. In the first movie it was fun, cause yes this is a kid thrown in this ridiculous situation. In the second film it waxed a little old, and two Shia's in the form of Leo just was too much. In a third film where our character has survived two near death experiences...scratch that he actually did die in the second one, and saved the world as well as played ambassador to an alien race, and he's still running around screaming without a hint of composure? I just kinda blotted him out and took my attention to the shiny effects...which isn't a good thing. In fact it made me kinda sad. Also, after being shot at by aliens and chased down and nearly killed, ya think the kid would take up shooting a gun. I mean, a self defense class or something! If this is your lifes' norm, just...ugh now I have a headache again. Were are those shiny pretty effects.....*wimper*
Shockwave! I gotta admit I was kinda excited about Shockwave, the big new baddie come to reek havoc and layeth the smack down. Alas, he suffered the classic "Villan Hype" syndrome which I hate. He just, under performed to me. I mean yeah, he took forever to kill, sure, great, it would take me forever to dig a hole into a mountain with a hammer and chisel, doesn't make the mountain a great villan. Shockwave was kinda the same thing, he just didn't really do much short of let his pet Robo-conda thing run wild and missfire with a gigantic forearm gun that shot out.....tiny missiles? I just never saw what I think could have been with Shockwave, in fact he even suffered from "The Fallen's" past woe of failing to have an alt mode. Hell, even the cannon fodder bots got alt modes this go around! Just a big scurry munster, Standing there posing with Robo-conda, Standing there miss firing with his ridiculous gun and tiny missiles, Standing there being shot, Standing there being punched, Standing there dying.
As for the rest they just blurred into the same old mold....Ironhide shoots things, Ratchet says something not really contributive in the back ground, Bumblebee still have no voice. Ya can reattach a guys legs, but a voice box is too much for ya huh? Wheelie was, well wheelie. There were a few new characters, but short of just being something new to look at or laugh at, nothing really much to them. Starscream whined, I was actually happy to see him die. Megatron was, well sadly he probably lost the most character development with each film. I barely even noticed him honestly.
Geez Josh, are there any character you did like? Sure, the Nascar Bots were a delightful treat. I loved the fact that they were British, and Scottish, it was a fun surprise. Sentinel Prime, whom received a paint job from his teaser trailer self, was more in depth then alot of the bots combined. Simmons, in a Transformers film where he finally doesn't have to flash his @$$ or crotch was as entertaining as ever. And "Duchess", Mr Serenity himself was just flat out fun. If not my fav new character.

The Plot!:

Ah, the Plot. The Chernobyl thing was kinda neat, and the moon landing setup in the entire first opening half of the film was fantastic. Well done, nicely executed, it was fun to see a dying or dead Cybertron. Which has changed dramatically since it's first look from movie 1. After that, we kinda just do a head dive into familiar Bay territory of cute girls and their underwear pouting and Sam being...well...the same Sam we knew in highschool. The Parents do their cameo, more vulgar humor follows. Delightfully, no dog humping. A character plot more suited for highschool Sam then follows around that of teen boy jealousy because the boss is good looking but evil....a recycled flipped plot from "Fallen" with Megan being the jealous girlfriend and Sam falling to the new girl...also evil. Laserbeak running around killing people and talking was....interesting. After seeing previous designs of his head, I still think the later design would have been more suitable for an assassin then this bald vulture thing that just clumsily flops around after Sam. The introduction of Sentinel was fun, Megatron not so much. Soundwave, as a car, just couldn't do it. He even felt kinda tacked on, like he was there to support Laserbeaks presence more then Laserbeak was a support character for him. The whole world being invaded was fun, it was nice to show bots actually around different parts of the world doing things verses just crashing down in comets and then disappearing, only to jump back into space and reappear in Egypt. There are a few plot holes that struck me as odd now that I think back on the film, but nothing too blatant. The showdown in Chicago is fun to see, the one thing that really threw me was the human influence. I mean, from what I vagely remember, the humans were the Decepticons slaves right? So, when McDreamy starts yelling at Soundwave to shoot the prisoners, or really shout anything to any Decepticon in the form of orders....the Decepticons, being the slave masters, should put said slaves in their place right? Not chuckle like 4 year olds ready to cause mischief and bumble around saying, "Oh, yeah...now I understand. I mean I'm just a hyper advanced living mechanical organism from a different star system invading your planet, but your right, your train of thought is much better because your taking it personal. Kay, lets just shoot the hostages...one less thing to worry about." And the best one of them all, Carly using a 3rd grade trick of name calling and peer pressure to coax Megatron into shooting in the back the one guy about to off Prime, then just sort of stand there as a one armed Prime takes his head off? Really? Yeah, the finale of the film felt like yet another rush job on the writers part. As if a dialogue heavy development of the films three staple characters revolving around betrayal which then becomes heated action was just too hard verses, "Nah nah, I'm Carly and I'm calling Megatron a B!t(# cause that will cause him to jeopardize this elaborate plot device we set in motion so we can wrap up this mother!"

Sigh.....yes "Moon" is no Fallen, however it isn't any Dark Knight either, or even Thor for that matter.

Camera Direction!:

Oh snap we're getting technical! From film one, I said they need to pull those cameras back and show what the hell is going on. When the robots fought, it was just a blind flash of metal and chimes kind of thrown together. In the first film I chalked it up to budget. You zoom in, you show less of the robots, save money in the budget. When this device was repeated however in Fallen, well I couldn't use the same excuse twice. I mean that camera was up close and moving on shots that didn't even have FX in them. The infamous Megan/Shia "say that you love me, no you say that you love me" track shot from hell that followed just shortly after mini bots from hell farted and crotch fired Sam's house. and with the first movie making heap loads of cash, and the second film making even more....what excuse is there left for the final film? I mean really, is it that bad to pull your camera back a tad from your robots chest/shin/eye/hand thing as they're fighting? Again we go back to my friends, whom at one point turned to me amid one of these very "Bay" inspired shots and just asked me flat out...."Okay, that was Starscream right?" I just shrugged, "Sure, they all kinda just look the same after the first few minutes." My other friend, his poor eyes just nearly strained themselves out of their sockets. And the kicker, we didn't even see it in 3D. Thats right, I, an avid supporter of 3d movies, passed on this eye numbing experience cause I knew that was going to happen. As for other technical gimmicks, the one I missed the most, was the voice synthesizer which was very clear on the bots, mainly the decepticons in the first film. then just awkwardly vanished in the following films. It was great that they didn't really use it on the autobots, cause it humanized them, while the decepticons sounded more alien and threatening. When it was removed however, they just sounded like voice actors grumbling and straining their vocals.

Summary:
To sum things up on a verdict, I look back on what I wrote and sadly there's more bad then good. It's funny, for me there was no real excitement this go around. Even as the days counted down to opening night, I wasn't in line, I didn't buy tickets in advance, did'nt dish out the extra cash for a 3D experience nor go with a huge group of fans like times I've done in the past. I just wasn't into it this go around, be it old scars from movies past or just lower expectations what were justified....just something in my gut told me....nope! I could attribute this to ones mindset going into a movie experience...but this isn't the case. I've had lower expectations for Ledger when he was announced as the Joker..and then I saw the first trailer...and I was sold. I had lower expectations for Inception when I learned Leonardo was the front man, and was blown away that I went back and saw it again and again in theatres. Even more recently, I wanted nothing to do with X-Men Frist class, in fact I wanted so badly to hate it after the bad taste "Orgins" left....but I couldn't do it, I couldn't hate it. I loved it. With Moon, I just went in blank. I've been wrong about first impressions of films, and impressions previous films left in an existing franchise...I went in, I saw it, and just kinda sighed. Dare I say I was happy when characters died, cause it was that final coffin nail that signaled, "Yeah, it's final over".
The Moon came, the Moon was here, and now the Moon is far behind me.

~Josh
Decepticon of the Bayformer world.

RogueDeathangel wrote:Roadbuster was obviously meant to have a Glaswegian accent (probably a Celtic supporter too, judging from his colours!) and whoever wrote his dialogue is obviously familiar with the way us Scots speak; I laughed out loud when he said "I WILL BOTTLE YOU!"

Leadfoot sounded like he was meant to be cockney.

Glad someone else noticed this. It's one of the reasons I actually like the Wreckers (threw me for a loop there, with the voices we weren't expecting), and especially Leadfoot now, with as much of a leader as he appeared to be.

NatsumeRyu wrote:

RogueDeathangel wrote:Roadbuster was obviously meant to have a Glaswegian accent (probably a Celtic supporter too, judging from his colours!) and whoever wrote his dialogue is obviously familiar with the way us Scots speak; I laughed out loud when he said "I WILL BOTTLE YOU!"

Leadfoot sounded like he was meant to be cockney.

Glad someone else noticed this. It's one of the reasons I actually like the Wreckers (threw me for a loop there, with the voices we weren't expecting), and especially Leadfoot now, with as much of a leader as he appeared to be.

My impression is that they all had accents from the UK, as a nod to the character's origins, no?

Marcdachamp wrote:

NatsumeRyu wrote:

RogueDeathangel wrote:Roadbuster was obviously meant to have a Glaswegian accent (probably a Celtic supporter too, judging from his colours!) and whoever wrote his dialogue is obviously familiar with the way us Scots speak; I laughed out loud when he said "I WILL BOTTLE YOU!"

Leadfoot sounded like he was meant to be cockney.

Glad someone else noticed this. It's one of the reasons I actually like the Wreckers (threw me for a loop there, with the voices we weren't expecting), and especially Leadfoot now, with as much of a leader as he appeared to be.

My impression is that they all had accents from the UK, as a nod to the character's origins, no?

"Characters origins"? What do you mean?

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"Characters origins"? What do you mean?

They came out of the UK transformer comics. Some of Simon Furman's doing I believe.

Ok, Im not too sure I really like the film (big surprise). I agree the plot was hard to follow. Granted yes we know that a Cybertron ship , the Ark, crashed on the moon 50 years ago and the government kept it a secret from the public for decades, other than that I really didn't know what was actually going on the first hour and half of the film. There was all this government dialogue going on back and fourth between the characters but I didn't understand what the problem was other than what we already knew.

*Warning Spoilers below*



It took me an hour and half to realize that the Cons were after Setinel Prime. OK .....that was out of no where.
And yes most of the film was derived from a number of G1 plots and scenes. It was a combination of G1 episodes "The Ultimate Doom" and "Megatrons Master Plan". So if you know those episodes, they try to bring Cybertron into Earths orbit and the humans send the Autobots away from earth in a ship that allegedly explodes while the Autobots staged that were even in the ship at all when it exploded.
And funny enough, there is a scene that is taken right from the G1 episode "Atlantis Arise". The part where Megatron is at the Lincoln Memorial and removes him to sit in his chair is the same scene taken right out of that G1 episode.
Speaking of Megatron, I guess Megatron is becoming a less and less prominent character across the board on all universes. He was hardly in the film. And what was he doing at the end when the final battle was taking place. They showed waking up. There is this huge battle going on and Megatron is taking an energon nap???
And lastly the whole Megan Fox disappearance is left unexplained other than two brief sentences that she dumped Shia's character when in the last movie by the end they were more in love than ever before. ok......sure.
The movie felt really rushed with information. Like I said we know that a ship crashed on the moon and was kept a secret for years so how they got from there to bringing Cybertron into earths orbit I completely missed.
And any idea of a TF4 film is thrown out as the number of deaths in film are at a all new high. I wont say who for those of you haven't seen it yet but a lot of characters die.
I think id give it a 6 out of 10.

Thanks for the review i saw it last night in both 2D and 3D and id agree with you 2D is much better the 3D is just to forced and is quite ridiculous because every movie is 3D now but again thank you!

Rodimus Prime wrote:If we watched the first film, then went straight to DotM, we would miss only 2 relevant parts from RotF: Megatron's resurrection and subsequent asswhooping which caused him to be the way he is in DotM. Everything else can be discarded.

You forgot a few things.

- Sam mentioning saving the world twice.
- Wheelie directly mentioning events from RotF, not to mention who he is in the first place.
- Pictures of Simons in Egypt after the battle.
- Where the hell did the Matrix come from, since Optimus clearly didn't have it in the first film?
- As you stated, Megatron being alive and also badly beat up.

Discontinuity of RotF is hardly applicable here.

Counterpunch wrote:Order of events as I see it:

1. Primes go to Earth for fuel, build harvester, find it to be inhabited by life, give up, The Fallen goes rogue.
2. War on Cybertron. The Fallen speaks to Megatron through the tomb thing in the books. The War is lost. Sentinel makes a pact with Megatron.
2.A) The Cube is shot into space. It's intelligent and redirects itself to Earth where the conflict will eventually take place.
2.B) Sentinel Prime leaves for Earth on account of either the Matrix or the Cube. He is shot down, Megatron believes him dead. No one else knows about the deal.
3. Megatron follows to Earth in search of the Cube.
4. Events of Movie 1.
5. Events of Movie 2. Megatron meets The Fallen in actuality and goes along with his plan assuming Sentinel is dead.
6. Rising Storm: Megatron finds Shockwave alive and information on Sentinel's moon crash.
7. Events of Movie 3.

It all does work if you assume that the random events leading to Earth were not random. We have to assume that the Primes' activities in the BC times were the instigator for both Sentinel and the Cube heading towards Earth. Everything fits (I think) if we assume those things.

Let's not forget that Megatron could have used Sentinel as a contingency plan. Sure, he'd need to somehow revive Sentinel to enact it so he set it up until the opportunity arises. Then suddenly Optimus gets the Matrix, and he realizes he can pull the plan off.

On Sentinel going to Earth more than likely he needed a life bearing world's resources (things like atmosphereic gases, fossil fuels, etc) to rebuild Cybertron so he wouldn't have gone there for the Matrix or AllSpark. However Earth would have been a recorded location and life bearing worlds are not exactly common in the cosmos. The AllSpark's intelligence redirecting it there in that case still isn't far off, since Sentinel's options for a world to stripmine were limited. In essence your little timeline still works.

Lastjustice wrote:

"Characters origins"? What do you mean?

They came out of the UK transformer comics. Some of Simon Furman's doing I believe.

Exactly. The Wreckers were a creation of Simon Furman's in the original UK comic. He took a group of charcters that weren't being used in the cartoons or comics and used them so he could have other characters to focus on, as it was hard to do big things with the "main" Bots and Cons as their status constantly changed in the US book.

Shockwave was a TOTAL waste to me sooooo disappointed

I have to say I'm not really a fan of the Bay movies, and this is no exception. While it was at times superficially entertaining, overall I didn't really enjoy the film.

The Good:

- The action was top notch as always
- Amazing effects
- It was good to see Shockwave, though he was criminally underused
- Decent human villains
- We got to see more of Soundwave
- Barricade finally came back
- Better editing than the last film. Characters don't appear in two places at once (Constructicons, I'm looking in your direction)
- Actual use of foreshadowing (Carly noticing that Sentinel is pushing Megatron around and later uses that to her advantage, and Wheelie watching the Star Trek episode where Spock "goes nuts.")

The Bad:
-Awful, awful, terrible, irritating, childish attempts at humor. Every single time some stupid comedic part came on, I wanted to leave the theater. I don't mind humor in an action/sci-fi movie, it just needs to be well done.

-The story made absolutely no sense. The Decepticons have been here since the 70s and but they made no attempt to find Megatron or the Allspark until 2009? Megatron left Cyberton after Sentinel did, yet he arrived on Earth thousands of years ahead of him? Sentinel left Cybertron with the intention of using our planet's resources and enslaving humanity...BEFORE the Allspark even landed on Earth??? If they can use Earth's resources for energy...then why did they need the solar harvester in the first place? Why didn't the Fallen just start strip mining the place when he arrive 17,000 years ago? Cybertron EXPLODES just outside of Earth's atmosphere without harming our planet in the slightest??? Nevermind, I'm applying logic to a Michael Bay film...what am I thinking?

-Most of the new Autobots looked ridiculous and were annoying. I hated Wheeljack, I hated Brains, and I hated the Wreckers.

-I hated the ending. Optimus slaughters Megatron after the latter saves his life and offers a truce??? WTF??? I know this has been discussed to death in this thread, and I can see arguments both for and against Prime's action, but it still left a very sour taste in my mouth.

I can't believe people in my theater actually applauded for this crap.

NormT81 wrote:Shockwave was a TOTAL waste to me sooooo disappointed

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RedHerring

While they could have done a little more with Shockwave he wasn't wasted. He did exactly what he was supposed to if you managed to ignore the spoilers.