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Is the Silverbolt the same guy in the Beast wars as in G1? I hope not.

Although they share a name, BW Silverbolt and G1 Silverbolt are very much two separate people.

If I understood your question, correctly...

Silver Wind wrote:Although they share a name, BW Silverbolt and G1 Silverbolt are very much two separate people.

If I understood your question, correctly...

There were two Silverbolts in BW. The Fuzor was a seperate charector entirely. The Silverbolt that made up the Maximal Combiner Magnaboss may or may not have been the same charector.

Apart from Grimlock, Ravage, and the owl, known as Prowl (Prowl and Grimlock are toys only) no character in Beast Wars with the same name as a G1 character IS the G1 Character. They're entirely different.

Namesake only. Just like all the poor deluded people who called their children Elvis. They may share the name, but that dont make them anything like the original.

BW Silverbolt never quaked in fear whilst flying.

Damolisher wrote:Apart from Grimlock, Ravage, and the owl, known as Prowl (Prowl and Grimlock are toys only) no character in Beast Wars with the same name as a G1 character IS the G1 Character. They're entirely different.

Prowl has never been proven to be the same character as G1. His tech specs lean that way, but it's unlikely. Grimlock is confirmed, as told in the IDW Beast Wars series.

Little FYI: When Beast Wars first aired in Japan, the translators thought that Optimus Primal and Megatron were actually the original G1 Prime and Megatron(or Takara wanted it to be that way, not sure), and thus for the first season that's the way it was, and in the Beast Wars II movie as well. They even said they were on an alien planet called "Energonia" However, when Beast Wars Season 2 and 3 were translated, they retconned it, and they became separate characters like the English version. Likewise, "Energonia" became Earth, but that was easier to explain, cause the characters weren't even sure they were on Earth.

Dude, you can't really take the comic as being accurate, unless there's some confirmation from whoever wrote the tech spec. And whoever wrote the tech spec, you'd generally have to consider as being correct, since they WROTE the characterization in the first place.

Glyph wrote:Uh, we can take the officially-sanctioned comic as being correct if it fills in extra information that wasn't known before, or retcons previous info. Comics do this all the time. I'd rather the character wasn't G1 Grimlock, and no-one has to include the IDW material in the BW canon if they really don't want to, but there you go.

I would also strongly advise anyone to totally ignore the Beast Wars tech specs and focus on the show instead, particularly since the first batch of techs were written before a major shift in policy over the show's characters.

Well pardon me, your majesty, if I wasn't aware that it's an "Officially sanctioned comic." Not everyone knows the behind the scenes news, and I apologise if me not knowing all the freaking information on the tech specs etc offends you in some way.

Jesus, seriously, calm the hell down.

Damolisher wrote:

Glyph wrote:Uh, we can take the officially-sanctioned comic as being correct if it fills in extra information that wasn't known before, or retcons previous info. Comics do this all the time. I'd rather the character wasn't G1 Grimlock, and no-one has to include the IDW material in the BW canon if they really don't want to, but there you go.

I would also strongly advise anyone to totally ignore the Beast Wars tech specs and focus on the show instead, particularly since the first batch of techs were written before a major shift in policy over the show's characters.

Well pardon me, your majesty, if I wasn't aware that it's an "Officially sanctioned comic." Not everyone knows the behind the scenes news, and I apologise if me not knowing all the freaking information on the tech specs etc offends you in some way.

Jesus, seriously, calm the hell down.

It became an officaly sanctioned comic book the second IDW acquired licensing rights. It's not a doujin it's an officaly licensed project. And your tone isn't appreciated at all, Glyph was merely informing people (obviously you since you were wholey ignorant of the fact, but myself included) that the tech spec bios are inaccurate to the final charectors. Personally attacking the man isn't nessicary at all because he made you feel stupid. We realise that you apparently hate comic books as evident in your borderline rantings elsewhere on the boards. But like it or not the cartoons aren't the end all be all of information on Transformers nor are they the only offical canon.

Goribus wrote:It became an officaly sanctioned comic book the second IDW acquired licensing rights. It's not a doujin it's an officaly licensed project. And your tone isn't appreciated at all, Glyph was merely informing people (obviously you since you were wholey ignorant of the fact, but myself included) that the tech spec bios are inaccurate to the final charectors. Personally attacking the man isn't nessicary at all because he made you feel stupid. We realise that you apparently hate comic books as evident in your borderline rantings elsewhere on the boards. But like it or not the cartoons aren't the end all be all of information on Transformers nor are they the only offical canon.

Excuse me? Don't try and tell me how to conduct myself, I've been here longer than you have. I just took offense to how I percieved HIS tone to be. And who the hell do you think you are? I read the comics. I never stated I don't like the comics, and giving my side of the facts, and my OPINION is hardly consider a rant. I don't consider either to be the superior canon, I don't apply cartoon logic to the comic, I don't apply comic logic to the cartoon, and in the other topic what I was trying to get across is what I understood that Glyph SAID that the cartoon wasn't considered canon. I misunderstood, and I apologise for overreacting to HIM. So here's a newsflash, KID, until you can get your own damn facts right, hows about we shut up, and watch YOUR tone with ME?

Damolisher wrote:

Goribus wrote:It became an officaly sanctioned comic book the second IDW acquired licensing rights. It's not a doujin it's an officaly licensed project. And your tone isn't appreciated at all, Glyph was merely informing people (obviously you since you were wholey ignorant of the fact, but myself included) that the tech spec bios are inaccurate to the final charectors. Personally attacking the man isn't nessicary at all because he made you feel stupid. We realise that you apparently hate comic books as evident in your borderline rantings elsewhere on the boards. But like it or not the cartoons aren't the end all be all of information on Transformers nor are they the only offical canon.

Excuse me? Don't try and tell me how to conduct myself, I've been here longer than you have. I just took offense to how I percieved HIS tone to be. And who the hell do you think you are? I read the comics. I never stated I don't like the comics, and giving my side of the facts, and my OPINION is hardly consider a rant. I don't consider either to be the superior canon, I don't apply cartoon logic to the comic, I don't apply comic logic to the cartoon, and in the other topic what I was trying to get across is what I understood that Glyph SAID that the cartoon wasn't considered canon. I misunderstood, and I apologise for overreacting to HIM. So here's a newsflash, KID, until you can get your own damn facts right, hows about we shut up, and watch YOUR tone with ME?

I'm probably not the only one to notice this but almost all of your posts come off as rants. You basically take the stance that if someone doesn't agree with you they're automatically wrong. You borderline flame bait people with your condescending and scathing comments when they disagree with you. And although I don't know Glyph well enough to really call him a friend I highly resepect the man, and you verbally attacked him for something I wouldn't deem a good reason.

As for my tone I was annoyed that you took such a negative reaction and more or less flamed someone I respect. I wasn't aware of the fact that join dates could be used to negate the fact that your wrong and win arguements. I'm sure that I'm not the only one that's grown sick of your attitude and flaming people who don't share your oppinion. This is supposed to be a community, there are plenty of people I don't like or don't share an oppinion with but I don't go out of my way to be rude to them.

But instead of fueling you and giving you something else to flame over I'll just ignore you and find comfort in the fact that sooner or later you'll end up getting yourself some form of ban from attacking members. Trust me on that one, I admin and mod on a few forums and I wouldn't put up with a poster like you who goes out of his way to attack others for very long.

Well it's a good thing you don't mod here, because you clearly LOVE to ignore facts. Then again, going by your above post, you probably mod for GameFAQs, seeing as you base your opinions of people on one or two different posts. I don't "Attack" people, I disagree, and try to verify my facts, unless I feel I''m being spoken down to for not knowing facts that many people don't know, which is how I feel I was being treated in Glyph's above post. And I never said join dates prove arguments, if you actually read what I wrote, I said that you try to tell others who've posted here longer what to do, and you shouldn't.

And hey, I've lasted 4 years already, haven't I? Please, just get your facts straight before we try to talk down to people. Thank you.

Damolisher wrote:Well it's a good thing you don't mod here, because you clearly LOVE to ignore facts. Then again, going by your above post, you probably mod for GameFAQs, seeing as you base your opinions of people on one or two different posts. I don't "Attack" people, I disagree, and try to verify my facts, unless I feel I''m being spoken down to for not knowing facts that many people don't know, which is how I feel I was being treated in Glyph's above post. And I never said join dates prove arguments, if you actually read what I wrote, I said that you try to tell others who've posted here longer what to do, and you shouldn't.

And hey, I've lasted 4 years already, haven't I? Please, just get your facts straight before we try to talk down to people. Thank you.

Check you PMs please.