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News Credits: 1 · by **Flashback** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:42 am

Okay, alot of online sources are saying that starscream blended in with the other F22's and took part in the bombing run on Megatron. Although I would LOVE to believe this, being a terrific nod to the 'Screamer personality that's been passed down from generation to generation, I've seen the movie twice and I couldn't see this happening. It looked like Starscream flew amongst them, destroyed a bunch, then flew off. Can anyone confirm either event happening?

News Credits: 2 · by **Decepticon Spike** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:10 am

I know he attacked the other Raptors, but I didn't see him bomb Megatron.

News Credits: 127 · by **Counterpunch** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:33 am

I wondered when they made a big deal about the jet firing off rockets at Megatron if that had indeed been Starscream.

It's a good question and in most ways it makes sense.

by **Apparition** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:49 am

One of the other F-22s mentioned something along the lines of "I think we got him", though they show Starscream actually in formation with the rest of the jets. The scene with the jets all firing upon Megatron happened almost immediately after. I think it's fairly safe to assume that Starscream at least aided in the attack (he could have easily destroyed all of the jets by himself if he wanted to help Megatron, right?)

I was specifically looking for this during my second viewing, and it seems like this was intentional. SLIGHT, but intentional.

by **Predaprince** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:54 am

I didn't see SS bomb Megs if it did happen.

News Credits: 2 · by **Nico** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:57 am

EXTREMELLY likely, but i don,t remember Starscream bombing Megatron.

by **thirteen-spades** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:31 am

yeh that makes sense, but then why attack the other raptors, why not let them help own megs?

by **Predaprince** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:33 am

thirteen-spades wrote:yeh that makes sense, but then why attack the other raptors, why not let them help own megs?

Classic SS, attack both Megs and the humans who are attacking Megs just so you can play both sides.

News Credits: 11 · by **Robinson** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:25 am

I think its just confusion as to which one is actually ss in jet mode. I would need to see it again to look for it though

by **Predaprince** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:14 pm

Robinson wrote:I think its just confusion as to which one is actually ss in jet mode. I would need to see it again to look for it though

That is my guess as well. When they fired on Megs, he was at the back of the group and then later he went to the front so that is probably why people are thinking that he was a part of them firing on Megs.

by **Apparition** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:29 pm

So that he can help kill Megatron without being seen? I mean, with all the other Decepticons and their "Hail Megatron"... wouldn't an assassination attempt be treason of some sort? We're used to Starscream attempting to overthrow Megatron without consequence, but this is an alternate universe here. It seems like Starscream did it under the guise of 'being human'. Heh, he was good enough at doing this that most viewers in the audience didn't even catch it. I sure didn't, the first time around.

Since they didn't make a big deal out of it, I could see where it might seem like fans are reading into this too much. I think to keep the plot simple, the majority of the audience saw that "Starscream got away!", but for the fans they threw in a subtle overthrow attempt that otherwise would have led the casual movie-goer to question why Starscream would have done such a thing. Megatron's "You fail me yet again, Starscream" line doesn't seem like enough to spark an overthrow, and it's obvious they didn't have enough time for Decepticon character development.

This is a difficult plot point to discuss, simply because they didn't flat out tell the audience it was happening. I'll pay even further attention if I wind up seeing the movie a third time. With my second viewing, it was blatant, though.

by **Predaprince** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:32 pm

Apparition wrote:it's obvious they didn't have enough time for Decepticon character development.

Since they spent so much freaking time on humans.

by **Apparition** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:37 pm

Heh, true! But didn't a previous Michael Bay interview state something to the effect that they needed to create a believable world with plenty of humans, so the concept of giant-alien-transforming-sentient-robots would be easier to swallow?

If we're running with that line of thinking, perhaps the first movie is a stepping stone. The original animated TF movie just assumed you believed, already.

News Credits: 1 · by **Bottom Out** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:40 pm

we really didnt need to see the decepticon point of view...we knew what it was from watching the human autobot interaction

by **Predaprince** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:11 pm

Apparition wrote:Heh, true! But didn't a previous Michael Bay interview state something to the effect that they needed to create a believable world with plenty of humans, so the concept of giant-alien-transforming-sentient-robots would be easier to swallow?

If we're running with that line of thinking, perhaps the first movie is a stepping stone. The original animated TF movie just assumed you believed, already.

I agree that there were plenty of times in the original G1 cartoon that made you go "Where is the government?" and so forth and I think that the movie did a great job of actually showing what the government would do in the initial appearance of TFs, but we didn't need all of that time to the soldiers and so forth. I'm not saying that any of the humans that were in the movie needed to not be there at all, but there was plenty of human scenes that served no purpose to even the human perspective of the film.

by **MercilessOne** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:17 pm

The addition and bigger roles of human characters give the movie a more believable show? I don't know. But what above poster said, it's a stepping stone. I'm just glad I saw this movie and it didn't suck. It made my summer.

Perhaps the sequels will have more character development, but really, who knows? And it's Spielberg too. I think it's more of the idea of "What if TFs were real? How would the country/society/the world/etc. react?".

by **Gamma Ray** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:09 am

When I rewatched the movie I payed close attention to this, and it doesn't look like Starscream is the one that shot the first missile. Towards the end of the take where he is fighting with the other F-22s, he swipes at the jet at the front of the formation, misses, than transforms back into jet mode and follows right behind, take ends with Starscream second in formation.

Next you see two jets way ahead of the others in a line passing directly over Megs, while the missile comes from way behind, the jet that fired it isn't even on camera. So it appears he was just in pursuit of that jet at that time, but I guess it's possible he circled around and shot Megs, or that the jets changed places between scenes, but there's nothing to really hint at it.

News Credits: 668 · by **Autobot032** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:05 am

I just got back from the movie. Starscream did not fire upon Megatron, he was merely in formation.

News Credits: 4 · by **Repugnus** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:12 am

Autobot032 wrote:I just got back from the movie. Starscream did not fire upon Megatron, he was merely in formation.

Dang it! For a few minutes there I was really excited about the prospect of some good ol' fashioned Starscream traitorous action that I had missed tucked away in that scene.

by **Sportimus Prime** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:17 am

Robinson wrote:I think its just confusion as to which one is actually ss in jet mode. I would need to see it again to look for it though

I know I had a little bit of a hard time following who was SS. Everything there happened really fast. A good reason for me to go see it again. :grin:

News Credits: 668 · by **Autobot032** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:29 am

Sportimus Prime wrote:
Robinson wrote:I think its just confusion as to which one is actually ss in jet mode. I would need to see it again to look for it though

I know I had a little bit of a hard time following who was SS. Everything there happened really fast. A good reason for me to go see it again.

Indeed. There is just so much you miss the first time around.

by **Rolling Thunder** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:21 am

I just got back from watching a 2nd time. Don't forget when we first see the F-22's come on screen in the final fight there's like 3 or 4 squadrens flying in skys over LA with 4 F-22's in each so could easiler be two completely different sets of 4 Raptors, but I can't recall exactly how many F-22's Starscream downs, seems like 4 or 5 at the most, so only a squadren's worth.