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The battle was Between Spiderman and Batman, alone, not Superman or Goku or who else wherever.Batman Has his Gizmos, say the Batwing, Batboat, All kinds of launchers, etc. If Bats can precisselly hit Spidey with something than Bats stands a chance. If it comes to skills, unfortunatelly Bat looses.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Evank_Horizon wrote:It doesn't work that way. Particularly when difference between winning and losing are so tight. (tights hehe...) An advantage against one opponent might not be as glaring against another opponent and the same goes with weaknesses. Those are battles fought in particular situations with are not necessarily proofs that the winner would win in any situation. Unless the battle is set with specific background, it is the general set of abilities that gives the victory to one of the opponnents.

Maybe so but Batman has provel time and time again that ,given the time and intel, he will beat every one.It may sound stupid but he is a master tactistion.He has plans for every thing and is not above cheating or making it look like he is putting someone else's life in danger to gain an advantage.

I can see him making it look like he has ether MJ or Aunt May in some danger just to get Peter off blance for a sec to beat him.

That would be a VERY bad idea!
Spidy always goes mental once his family is in danger, he gets a lot more power and brakes things with ease!
Remember that ish in which he lifted that huge pile of junk just so he could get Aunt Mays medecin!
Or the Spiderslayer which he put his fist thrue it's metal chest cos it threatened to kill Mary Jane!

Oh and I remember that fight with Cap, he wasn't really fighting, he didn't want to fight him, that's why he had his mind on something els then fighting him.
He was to busy admiring Cap.

Yeah but his power and strengh wouldnt matter to Bats.....Batman has beaten guys with 100 times more power then Spiderman and his going mental would only help Batman more.Spiderman only real chance at a win is to stay calm and collective and not lose control of his temper.

True, but I still know they would never fight each other, I gots the ish!
Plus I just hate Marvel DC crossovers, just look at Spider-Man Vs Superman, that is indeed the crappest Comic of all time!

Mighty Scorponok wrote:The battle was Between Spiderman and Batman, alone, not Superman or Goku or who else wherever.Batman Has his Gizmos, say the Batwing, Batboat, All kinds of launchers, etc. If Bats can precisselly hit Spidey with something than Bats stands a chance. If it comes to skills, unfortunatelly Bat looses.

Batman's skills far out weigh those of Spiderman.Batman has mastered every knowen fighting skill knowen to man kind.He has mastered the use every weapon knowen to man kind.Does that not count as skill in your book???

Dead Metal wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Evank_Horizon wrote:It doesn't work that way. Particularly when difference between winning and losing are so tight. (tights hehe...) An advantage against one opponent might not be as glaring against another opponent and the same goes with weaknesses. Those are battles fought in particular situations with are not necessarily proofs that the winner would win in any situation. Unless the battle is set with specific background, it is the general set of abilities that gives the victory to one of the opponnents.

Maybe so but Batman has provel time and time again that ,given the time and intel, he will beat every one.It may sound stupid but he is a master tactistion.He has plans for every thing and is not above cheating or making it look like he is putting someone else's life in danger to gain an advantage.

I can see him making it look like he has ether MJ or Aunt May in some danger just to get Peter off blance for a sec to beat him.

That would be a VERY bad idea!
Spidy always goes mental once his family is in danger, he gets a lot more power and brakes things with ease!
Remember that ish in which he lifted that huge pile of junk just so he could get Aunt Mays medecin!
Or the Spiderslayer which he put his fist thrue it's metal chest cos it threatened to kill Mary Jane!

Oh and I remember that fight with Cap, he wasn't really fighting, he didn't want to fight him, that's why he had his mind on something els then fighting him.
He was to busy admiring Cap.

Yeah but his power and strengh wouldnt matter to Bats.....Batman has beaten guys with 100 times more power then Spiderman and his going mental would only help Batman more.Spiderman only real chance at a win is to stay calm and collective and not lose control of his temper.

True, but I still know they would never fight each other, I gots the ish!
Plus I just hate Marvel DC crossovers, just look at Spider-Man Vs Superman, that is indeed the crappest Comic of all time!

I dont like them very much myself....I hated Hulk vs Batman back when I was a kid.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Evank_Horizon wrote:It doesn't work that way. Particularly when difference between winning and losing are so tight. (tights hehe...) An advantage against one opponent might not be as glaring against another opponent and the same goes with weaknesses. Those are battles fought in particular situations with are not necessarily proofs that the winner would win in any situation. Unless the battle is set with specific background, it is the general set of abilities that gives the victory to one of the opponnents.

Maybe so but Batman has provel time and time again that ,given the time and intel, he will beat every one.It may sound stupid but he is a master tactistion.He has plans for every thing and is not above cheating or making it look like he is putting someone else's life in danger to gain an advantage.

I can see him making it look like he has ether MJ or Aunt May in some danger just to get Peter off blance for a sec to beat him.

That would be a VERY bad idea!
Spidy always goes mental once his family is in danger, he gets a lot more power and brakes things with ease!
Remember that ish in which he lifted that huge pile of junk just so he could get Aunt Mays medecin!
Or the Spiderslayer which he put his fist thrue it's metal chest cos it threatened to kill Mary Jane!

Oh and I remember that fight with Cap, he wasn't really fighting, he didn't want to fight him, that's why he had his mind on something els then fighting him.
He was to busy admiring Cap.

Yeah but his power and strengh wouldnt matter to Bats.....Batman has beaten guys with 100 times more power then Spiderman and his going mental would only help Batman more.Spiderman only real chance at a win is to stay calm and collective and not lose control of his temper.

True, but I still know they would never fight each other, I gots the ish!
Plus I just hate Marvel DC crossovers, just look at Spider-Man Vs Superman, that is indeed the crappest Comic of all time!

I dont like them very much myself....I hated Hulk vs Batman back when I was a kid.

They are written badly and make no sense, in the Spidy v Supy one, htey portrayed Spidy as a violent **** for brains guy!

This is funny 'cause I was actually having this discussion with my friends at lunch.

I say Batman wins due to the fact that he's beat up Superman (Dark Knight Returns, etc.) And due to the fact that he's beaten up almost everyone else too.

Superman has never lost to Batman in a canon comic. It. usually ends up in a quick beatdown. Even with powerups Batman has lost badly to Superman.

Batman has however beaten White Martians. Each of which could fight an entire planet full of Spider-men.

Inferno Prime wrote:Superman has never lost to Batman in a canon comic. It. usually ends up in a quick beatdown. Even with powerups Batman has lost badly to Superman.

Batman has however beaten White Martians. Each of which could fight an entire planet full of Spider-men.

Exagerated exagerations are meaningless. And Batman's win against white martians won't help him against Spidey. No matter the trophies I can't imagine Batman winning without his Batman Beyond suit. With wich he would beat down Spidey sooooo bad. But then Spidey could get his one of his own fancy suits. But piling suits over them is not telling who has them most chances of winning.

Batman can predict his opponent's moves and has better training and cool gadgets. Both are very intelligent. Spider-man has his spider-sense, high agility, he can stick to wall, throw webs and is much much stronger.

Spidey's spider-sense = Batman's ability to predict his opponent's moves
Spidey's high agility = Batman's better training
Spidey's intelligence = Batman's intelligence
Spidey's webs and wall climbing = Batman's gadgets
Spidey's strenght > Batman's strenght

Spiderman wins

Inferno Prime wrote:Superman has never lost to Batman in a canon comic. It. usually ends up in a quick beatdown. Even with powerups Batman has lost badly to Superman.

Batman has however beaten White Martians. Each of which could fight an entire planet full of Spider-men.

That depends on your definition of the word canon.There have been a few possiable future stories, and I dont mean elseworld or one shot stories, where Superman was beat by Batman.

And I would also consider the fight both had in "Hush" a win for Batman.

Exagerated exagerations are meaningless.

A white Martian could beat limitless Spider-men. They have global level telepathy, enough strength to split a moon in half, can move at the speed of light and can shape shift into countless offence oriantatated forms.

That depends on your definition of the word canon.There have been a few possiable future stories, and I dont mean elseworld or one shot stories, where Superman was beat by Batman.

Interesting, can you name them I'd like to track them down.

And I would also consider the fight both had in "Hush" a win for Batman.

Didn't it end with Superman holding a car over batman, forcing Catwomen to hold lois hostage? Lets put that fight against the injuries Batman sustained during Sacrifice of their last Superman/Batman tussle.

Spidey's spider-sense = Batman's ability to predict his opponent's moves
Spidey's high agility = Batman's better training
Spidey's intelligence = Batman's intelligence
Spidey's webs and wall climbing = Batman's gadgets
Spidey's strenght > Batman's strenght

Batman is much more skilled. He's also more durable due the fact that his suit is heavily armored. He also has various devices for subduing Spider-man in his belt.

There's no way in hell Spider-Man is as smart as Batman. Batman is either the 1st or 2nd smartest human being on DC Earth. Spider-man isn't in marvels top 10.

Inferno Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

That depends on your definition of the word canon.There have been a few possiable future stories, and I dont mean elseworld or one shot stories, where Superman was beat by Batman.

Interesting, can you name them I'd like to track them down.

Right now I can only think of the multi-cross over book Armegdedon.....as soon as I ether remember anymore or find any I update this post.

Inferno Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:And I would also consider the fight both had in "Hush" a win for Batman.

Didn't it end with Superman holding a car over batman, forcing Catwomen to hold lois hostage? Lets put that fight against the injuries Batman sustained during Sacrifice of their last Superman/Batman tussle.

That is how "Hush ended and again I would count that as a win.

The fight in "Sacrifice" was special in 2 ways.First Superman was being controled by some one else.Second Batman was totaly un-prepaired and not expecting the fight.

I have always said that Supe's has more then enough power to be Bat's or just about anyone.....his problem [and the reason he would lose] is that he doesnt have the will [or b@ll$] to do what must be done to defeat Batman.

spider-man is much stronger, faster and more agile than batman, and he has his spider sense, i also like him a hell of alot more than batman. but that said, with some prep batman would win. and as good as spider-man is at close combat, hes proven to have trouble with highly skilled martial artists before. batman is a master of most major forms, so he could possibly win in a straight up fight too.

the trouble is batman is, being only human, has had to rely on his brain to get him through alot of things, so hes always very very well prepared for most possibilities, and physically he has enough technical skill about any form of combat that he can usually overcome things that should outclass him.

realistically spider-man should be much to fast, his reflexes are super human, and he has precog. one serious punch from him should be enough to shatter a normal human skull with no trouble at all, but he is often put off his game when hes up against someone as skilled and experienced as batman. id cheer for spider-man, but id bet on batman.

Inferno Prime wrote:
There's no way in hell Spider-Man is as smart as Batman. Batman is either the 1st or 2nd smartest human being on DC Earth. Spider-man isn't in marvels top 10.

Becos Marvel has chreacures like the Watcher, and the Beonder, that know everything!

Becos Marvel has chreacures like the Watcher, and the Beonder, that know everything

I meant top 10 humans, which Spiderman isn't in. There's a fair amount of people with Superhuman interlects in DC that eclipse Batman and Luthor.

Inferno Prime wrote:

Becos Marvel has chreacures like the Watcher, and the Beonder, that know everything

I meant top 10 humans, which Spiderman isn't in. There's a fair amount of people with Superhuman interlects in DC that eclipse Batman and Luthor.

So, DC and MARVEl are two different things, with two different standards of intellect, in Marvel for instence we have Mr Fantastic, who is so inteligent that he can invent everything.

Trying to tell who's better is like impossible.

Spider-Man and Batman I say are have the same intelect in my opinion, with having there strenge in different areas, Spider-Man is with chemistry and biologics and Math, while Batman is more tech orientated.

Spider-Mans fighting stile is different from all know technics, while Batman is a master of all known fighting styles, he doesn't know Spider-Man's cos it's random and totally original.

Spider-Man has superpowers and is really fast, but Batman has armor, is calm and cunning and uses gatgets, which Spider-Man can detect and dodge.

Spider-Man uses the surroundings for his advantage and uses science, while Batman relies on his gadgets, Spider-Man irritates his opponents with his jokes and endless talking and his webbing, while Batman tries to scare the **** out of his opponents.
They are very different from each other, but Batman is more like a sane Green Goblin without the powers, which makes me think that Spider-Man would win.

But if Batman uses all his gadgets and manages to somehow outsmart Spidy he will give him a run for his money.

But as I said before Batsy and Spidy are Friends and worked together, they wouldn't fight each other.

Dead Metal wrote:So, DC and MARVEl are two different things, with two different standards of intellect, in Marvel for instence we have Mr Fantastic, who is so inteligent that he can invent everything.

Trying to tell who's better is like impossible.

Spider-Man and Batman I say are have the same intelect in my opinion, with having there strenge in different areas, Spider-Man is with chemistry and biologics and Math, while Batman is more tech orientated.

Spider-Mans fighting stile is different from all know technics, while Batman is a master of all known fighting styles, he doesn't know Spider-Man's cos it's random and totally original.

Spider-Man has superpowers and is really fast, but Batman has armor, is calm and cunning and uses gatgets, which Spider-Man can detect and dodge.

Spider-Man uses the surroundings for his advantage and uses science, while Batman relies on his gadgets, Spider-Man irritates his opponents with his jokes and endless talking and his webbing, while Batman tries to scare the **** out of his opponents.
They are very different from each other, but Batman is more like a sane Green Goblin without the powers, which makes me think that Spider-Man would win.

But if Batman uses all his gadgets and manages to somehow outsmart Spidy he will give him a run for his money.

But as I said before Batsy and Spidy are Friends and worked together, they wouldn't fight each other.

I wont debate you on every thing you posted because you are intitled to your opinion but you are mistaken about one thing.....Spider-Man and Batman do not have the same level of intelect.

Batman is one of the world's greatest scientists, engineers, criminologists, and tacticians, as well as a master of disguise.If he were in the Marvel universe he would be on the same playing feild as Reed Richards [MR.Fantastic] ,Hank Pym [Yellow Jacket] or Tony Stark [Iron Man].

As smart as Spiderman is he's not one of the worlds greastest in any feild.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:So, DC and MARVEl are two different things, with two different standards of intellect, in Marvel for instence we have Mr Fantastic, who is so inteligent that he can invent everything.

Trying to tell who's better is like impossible.

Spider-Man and Batman I say are have the same intelect in my opinion, with having there strenge in different areas, Spider-Man is with chemistry and biologics and Math, while Batman is more tech orientated.

Spider-Mans fighting stile is different from all know technics, while Batman is a master of all known fighting styles, he doesn't know Spider-Man's cos it's random and totally original.

Spider-Man has superpowers and is really fast, but Batman has armor, is calm and cunning and uses gatgets, which Spider-Man can detect and dodge.

Spider-Man uses the surroundings for his advantage and uses science, while Batman relies on his gadgets, Spider-Man irritates his opponents with his jokes and endless talking and his webbing, while Batman tries to scare the **** out of his opponents.
They are very different from each other, but Batman is more like a sane Green Goblin without the powers, which makes me think that Spider-Man would win.

But if Batman uses all his gadgets and manages to somehow outsmart Spidy he will give him a run for his money.

But as I said before Batsy and Spidy are Friends and worked together, they wouldn't fight each other.

I wont debate you on every thing you posted because you are intitled to your opinion but you are mistaken about one thing.....Spider-Man and Batman do not have the same level of intelect.

Batman is one of the world's greatest scientists, engineers, criminologists, and tacticians, as well as a master of disguise.If he were in the Marvel universe he would be on the same playing feild as Reed Richards [MR.Fantastic] ,Hank Pym [Yellow Jacket] or Tony Stark [Iron Man].

As smart as Spiderman is he's not one of the worlds greastest in any feild.

No he isn't that's why he's listed as talented, in the Marvel Encyclopedia.

And this is my last post in this thread, cos I hate it wen friends fight, yes I like Spider-Man and Batman, I don't want to see them fight.
And this is getting into as dissgusioan that leads no were.

Dead Metal wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:So, DC and MARVEl are two different things, with two different standards of intellect, in Marvel for instence we have Mr Fantastic, who is so inteligent that he can invent everything.

Trying to tell who's better is like impossible.

Spider-Man and Batman I say are have the same intelect in my opinion, with having there strenge in different areas, Spider-Man is with chemistry and biologics and Math, while Batman is more tech orientated.

Spider-Mans fighting stile is different from all know technics, while Batman is a master of all known fighting styles, he doesn't know Spider-Man's cos it's random and totally original.

Spider-Man has superpowers and is really fast, but Batman has armor, is calm and cunning and uses gatgets, which Spider-Man can detect and dodge.

Spider-Man uses the surroundings for his advantage and uses science, while Batman relies on his gadgets, Spider-Man irritates his opponents with his jokes and endless talking and his webbing, while Batman tries to scare the **** out of his opponents.
They are very different from each other, but Batman is more like a sane Green Goblin without the powers, which makes me think that Spider-Man would win.

But if Batman uses all his gadgets and manages to somehow outsmart Spidy he will give him a run for his money.

But as I said before Batsy and Spidy are Friends and worked together, they wouldn't fight each other.

I wont debate you on every thing you posted because you are intitled to your opinion but you are mistaken about one thing.....Spider-Man and Batman do not have the same level of intelect.

Batman is one of the world's greatest scientists, engineers, criminologists, and tacticians, as well as a master of disguise.If he were in the Marvel universe he would be on the same playing feild as Reed Richards [MR.Fantastic] ,Hank Pym [Yellow Jacket] or Tony Stark [Iron Man].

As smart as Spiderman is he's not one of the worlds greastest in any feild.

No he isn't that's why he's listed as talented, in the Marvel Encyclopedia.

And this is my last post in this thread, cos I hate it wen friends fight, yes I like Spider-Man and Batman, I don't want to see them fight.
And this is getting into as dissgusioan that leads no were.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOO dont leave

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:So, DC and MARVEl are two different things, with two different standards of intellect, in Marvel for instence we have Mr Fantastic, who is so inteligent that he can invent everything.

Trying to tell who's better is like impossible.

Spider-Man and Batman I say are have the same intelect in my opinion, with having there strenge in different areas, Spider-Man is with chemistry and biologics and Math, while Batman is more tech orientated.

Spider-Mans fighting stile is different from all know technics, while Batman is a master of all known fighting styles, he doesn't know Spider-Man's cos it's random and totally original.

Spider-Man has superpowers and is really fast, but Batman has armor, is calm and cunning and uses gatgets, which Spider-Man can detect and dodge.

Spider-Man uses the surroundings for his advantage and uses science, while Batman relies on his gadgets, Spider-Man irritates his opponents with his jokes and endless talking and his webbing, while Batman tries to scare the **** out of his opponents.
They are very different from each other, but Batman is more like a sane Green Goblin without the powers, which makes me think that Spider-Man would win.

But if Batman uses all his gadgets and manages to somehow outsmart Spidy he will give him a run for his money.

But as I said before Batsy and Spidy are Friends and worked together, they wouldn't fight each other.

I wont debate you on every thing you posted because you are intitled to your opinion but you are mistaken about one thing.....Spider-Man and Batman do not have the same level of intelect.

Batman is one of the world's greatest scientists, engineers, criminologists, and tacticians, as well as a master of disguise.If he were in the Marvel universe he would be on the same playing feild as Reed Richards [MR.Fantastic] ,Hank Pym [Yellow Jacket] or Tony Stark [Iron Man].

As smart as Spiderman is he's not one of the worlds greastest in any feild.

Batman isn't even REMOTELY as smart as Reed Richards is and I would put Pym and Stark well ahead of him as well.

Anyway this doesn't really boil down to pure intelligence. Spider-man has a huge physical edge on Batman, and edge that won't be solved very easily. Batman beats his foes with his detective skills and physical skills and training, but they do him little good against Spidey. Spidey has superhuman agility, reflexes, strength and speed. Not amount of training is going to make up for that. Spider-man could simply land next to Batman and launch a series of punches and kicks too fast for any non-superpowered human would have no chance of countering or blocking. Spidey wins this without too much trouble.

Devastron wrote:
Batman isn't even REMOTELY as smart as Reed Richards is and I would put Pym and Stark well ahead of him as well.

Inside the DC universe Batman is one of the worlds greatest scientists, engineers, criminologists.....to be blunt DC puts him as number 2 in all these categories at least when it comes to no-superhuman inteligence.How ever I will admit he is not always consitently showen to be that smart.

The only way to assume that he not even "REMOTELY" as smart as Reed Richards, Hank Pym and Tony Stark is to assume that people in the DC universe are just inherantly stupider then those in the Marvel Universe

Devastron wrote:Anyway this doesn't really boil down to pure intelligence. Spider-man has a huge physical edge on Batman, and edge that won't be solved very easily. Batman beats his foes with his detective skills and physical skills and training, but they do him little good against Spidey. Spidey has superhuman agility, reflexes, strength and speed. Not amount of training is going to make up for that. Spider-man could simply land next to Batman and launch a series of punches and kicks too fast for any non-superpowered human would have no chance of countering or blocking. Spidey wins this without too much trouble.

And as said before by others and myself Batman has beated many other foes with "superhuman agility, reflexes, strength and speed" 100 times more greater then those of Spiderman.

Batmans tactic's took out the intire Justice League and the memberse at the time inclued Superman,Flash,Green Lantern, Wonder woman and the Martian Manhunter and a few others I believe.At least 3 of those members has well over the level of superhuman agility, reflexes, strength and speed that Spiderman does.

Your argument doest hold weight when you hold it up against the facts.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Inside the DC universe Batman is one of the worlds greatest scientists, engineers, criminologists.....to be blunt DC puts him as number 2 in all these categories at least when it comes to no-superhuman inteligence.How ever I will admit he is not always consitently showen to be that smart.

The only way to assume that he not even "REMOTELY" as smart as Reed Richards, Hank Pym and Tony Stark is to assume that people in the DC universe are just inherantly stupider then those in the Marvel Universe

I think you are the one making bold assumptions here. Has Batman ever travelled to alternate dimensions using tech he has built? Travelled through time with a machine he built? Developed a way for people to shrink to insect sizes or grow to the size of buildings? Has he built an armored suit capable of taking nuclear level detonations? As far as I know, he hasn't come close to any of those feats. He is a great detective, no doubt, but I don't see any sign of any incredible level of physics or engineering skill or ability. It also doesn't assume that people are dumber in the DC Universe, it just means the top level people in the Marvel Universe are smarter than the top level DC people.

And as said before by others and myself Batman has beated many other foes with "superhuman agility, reflexes, strength and speed" 100 times more greater then those of Spiderman.

Batmans tactic's took out the intire Justice League and the memberse at the time inclued Superman,Flash,Green Lantern, Wonder woman and the Martian Manhunter and a few others I believe.At least 3 of those members has well over the level of superhuman agility, reflexes, strength and speed that Spiderman does.

Your argument doest hold weight when you hold it up against the facts.

Batman's plan defeated the Justice League because he had worked with them for years and had extensive knowledge of them. He built them due to years of research. Where is he going to get the information on Spider-man, let alone the years to research and study that information? Even then his plans only incapacitated the League for a brief time.

Devastron wrote:I think you are the one making bold assumptions here.

I'm not making any assumptions at all but your questions prove that you on the other had are.

Devastron wrote:Has Batman ever travelled to alternate dimensions using tech he has built?

Yes he has.

Devastron wrote: Travelled through time with a machine he built?

Yes he has

Devastron wrote:Developed a way for people to shrink to insect sizes or grow to the size of buildings?

To shrink he has.

Devastron wrote: Has he built an armored suit capable of taking nuclear level detonations?

Not yet

Devastron wrote:As far as I know, he hasn't come close to any of those feats.

You are wrong then.....altho in your defence they may not be old enough to remember.Or you may not be considering the stories that he did some of those things canon.

But if you remember I did say in my post "I will admit he is not always consitently showen to be that smart."

All the answers I gave you are from Batman late 50's and 60's comics that had stories that delt with all kinds of weired things.But you asked when has he EVER.......you didnt ask if it was still in continuity.You should try asking more presise questions

On the otherhand I will admit the he hasnt been written to create the kind of things you mention since the 70's re-vamp of the character of Batman.But he has been showen to have an understanding of such equiment and has re-versed enginered quite a few simular peace of techknoligy.....what could he acomplish if he werent so obsessed with his war on crime???

Devastron wrote:He is a great detective, no doubt, but I don't see any sign of any incredible level of physics or engineering skill or ability.

He has reversed engineeried a Mother Box as well as quite a few different things from Krypton I would say that revers engineering of a Mother Box alone is a sign of an incredible level of physics or engineering skill or ability.

Devastron wrote: It also doesn't assume that people are dumber in the DC Universe, it just means the top level people in the Marvel Universe are smarter than the top level DC people.

That may be true.

Devastron wrote:Batman's plan defeated the Justice League because he had worked with them for years and had extensive knowledge of them. He built them due to years of research. Where is he going to get the information on Spider-man, let alone the years to research and study that information? Even then his plans only incapacitated the League for a brief time.

Incapacitated for a brief time is still a win.Getting that kind of information on Spiderman wouldnt be that hard at all these days because of Tony Stark.Batman could hack his systems and download the info himself not to mention if Oracle is helping him.

The time to study information may be a hard one to overcome but as I have said before Bats is a dirty fighter....he wouldnt think twice about making it look like he put MJ or Aunt May in danger to give himself an advantage.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:All the answers I gave you are from Batman late 50's and 60's comics that had stories that delt with all kinds of weired things.But you asked when has he EVER.......you didnt ask if it was still in continuity.You should try asking more presise questions

If it wasn't done in continuity then it didn't happen did it? Basically you just admitted defeated on that point.

On the otherhand I will admit the he hasnt been written to create the kind of things you mention since the 70's re-vamp of the character of Batman.But he has been showen to have an understanding of such equiment and has re-versed enginered quite a few simular peace of techknoligy.....what could he acomplish if he werent so obsessed with his war on crime???

Thats conjecture. You have to go with whats in continuity and not your own what if scenarios.

He has reversed engineeried a Mother Box as well as quite a few different things from Krypton I would say that revers engineering of a Mother Box alone is a sign of an incredible level of physics or engineering skill or ability.

Going to need some evidence to back up the claim that he reverse engineered a Mother Box and what exactly he reverse engineered from it.

Incapacitated for a brief time is still a win.Getting that kind of information on Spiderman wouldnt be that hard at all these days because of Tony Stark.Batman could hack his systems and download the info himself not to mention if Oracle is helping him.

When does he get this time? This is a fight, not a campaign. I would also put Stark ahead of Bats and Oracle on computer technology, not to mention that not even he may have all of the details on Spider-man.

The time to study information may be a hard one to overcome but as I have said before Bats is a dirty fighter....he wouldnt think twice about making it look like he put MJ or Aunt May in danger to give himself an advantage.

Spider-man would beat him to a pulp if he did that. I have also always been under the impression that Batman is above threatening innocents, so Spidey could always call his bluff if it is a bluff.

Devastron wrote:If it wasn't done in continuity then it didn't happen did it? Basically you just admitted defeated on that point.

How is it admitting defeated?????First your question was "has he ever" and he has.Wether or not it's currently in continuity is irrelivent when it pretains to your question.It may be relivent to the debate at hand but not to your question.

Also not being in continuity does not meen that it didnt happen.A fact is a fact wether or not the current writters chose to acknolige [spelling?] it or not.

Not being in continuity only meens that its not part of the characters current interpatation.

Also "continuity" is a relitive term when it comes to comics.....even more relitive these days then ever before with writters choseing to take parts from past stories that were out of continuity ,or never in continuity in the first place and inclued those parts but not the whole, in current story arc's.

Devastron wrote:Thats conjecture. You have to go with whats in continuity and not your own what if scenarios.

Not conjecture just asking a question.

Devastron wrote:Going to need some evidence to back up the claim that he reverse engineered a Mother Box

I'll try to find some.

Devastron wrote:and what exactly he reverse engineered from it.

What do you thing?????????The term "reverse engineered" is the answer.He did it from a exsisting Mother Box.

I'm not sure if you've heard the news about what they want to do with Batman in the next year.

Devastron wrote:When does he get this time? This is a fight, not a campaign.

Thats conjecture......the original poster did not set any limits in this fight so assuming that this would be a "meet and then fight" scenario is a bit short sighted.

Devastron wrote: I would also put Stark ahead of Bats and Oracle on technology,

That falls back to assuming that people in the DC universe are inherantly not as smart as those in the Marvel Universe.Oracle has been said to be in the DC U's top 2 computer hackers.

Devastron wrote: not to mention that not even he may have all of the details on Spider-man.

Thats conjecture again.If Tony is a parinoid as he has been written trew the Civil War story arc then he's been compiling info on Spiderman since the very begining.

Devastron wrote:Spider-man would beat him to a pulp if he did that. I have also always been under the impression that Batman is above threatening innocents, so Spidey could always call his bluff if it is a bluff.

Batman is not above making it look like he's "threatening innocents" to exploit an adversery's weekness.

Batman plased Lois Lane Kent at the top of the Daily Planet building with Catwoman trenting to push her off just to beat Superman in a fight in the Hush story.

Now Supe's was not in complete control of himself at the time but Bats plan is what snaped him out of a mind control trance.

If he would be willing to do that to 2 of his best friends he would do it to anyone.

Also when he first met Superman they were at odds on a mission...Sups want to place Bats in jail but Bat's tricked Sup's into believeing that if he touched Bats, then a signal would be sent to a boamb that he placed on a innocent person killing him.At the end of the story it was revieled that the boamb was in Bats belt all along.

So I wouldnt put it pass Bats to make Spiderman think that his family was in danger.And thats all he would really need to trow Peter off blance and have him make some bad moves he could exploit.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:How is it admitting defeated?????First your question was "has he ever" and he has.Wether or not it's currently in continuity is irrelivent when it pretains to your question.It may be relivent to the debate at hand but not to your question.

Also not being in continuity does not meen that it didnt happen.A fact is a fact wether or not the current writters chose to acknolige [spelling?] it or not.

Not being in continuity only meens that its not part of the characters current interpatation.

Also "continuity" is a relitive term when it comes to comics.....even more relitive these days then ever before with writters choseing to take parts from past stories that were out of continuity ,or never in continuity in the first place and inclued those parts but not the whole, in current story arc's.

If it isn’t in continuity then it didn’t happen to the ‘real’ Batman as far as DC is considered. If you can’t even decide to debate the current in continuity Batman then there isn’t any purpose to this debate. You’ll just pull whatever you want from out of continuity stories.

What do you thing?????????The term "reverse engineered" is the answer.He did it from a exsisting Mother Box.

I assume you mean what did I think. I was asking what he reverse engineered from it. Did he make his own Mother Box from it? Did he just make a device that mimics some of its abilities? Can you provide some evidence of this?

I'm not sure if you've heard the news about what they want to do with Batman in the next year.

I’ve heard they are thinking about killing him off.

Thats conjecture......the original poster did not set any limits in this fight so assuming that this would be a "meet and then fight" scenario is a bit short sighted.

It’s a simple ‘vs’ thread with no additional information. Assuming more than a fight seems like a stretch.

That falls back to assuming that people in the DC universe are inherantly not as smart as those in the Marvel Universe.Oracle has been said to be in the DC U's top 2 computer hackers.

No, I just consider Stark to be ahead of Oracle in computer skill.

Thats conjecture again.If Tony is a parinoid as he has been written trew the Civil War story arc then he's been compiling info on Spiderman since the very begining.

Tony didn’t know Spider-man as well as or for as long as Bats knew the League. I doubt he has files as detailed as Batman had. I also doubt these files would be in an area they could be hacked into.

Batman is not above making it look like he's "threatening innocents" to exploit an adversery's weekness.

Batman plased Lois Lane Kent at the top of the Daily Planet building with Catwoman trenting to push her off just to beat Superman in a fight in the Hush story.

Now Supe's was not in complete control of himself at the time but Bats plan is what snaped him out of a mind control trance.

If he would be willing to do that to 2 of his best friends he would do it to anyone.

Also when he first met Superman they were at odds on a mission...Sups want to place Bats in jail but Bat's tricked Sup's into believeing that if he touched Bats, then a signal would be sent to a boamb that he placed on a innocent person killing him.At the end of the story it was revieled that the boamb was in Bats belt all along.

So I wouldnt put it pass Bats to make Spiderman think that his family was in danger.And thats all he would really need to trow Peter off blance and have him make some bad moves he could exploit.

This is assuming he could get to Spider-man’s loved ones, or that Spidey wouldn’t just call his bluff. Spider-sense would probably come in handy in those situations too.

Can you try and clean up your spelling a bit? I’m having a hard time figuring out what you are saying at some points.