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Malikon wrote:No I meant immediately above that post. It's Autobot032, not you.

It's all good though. I actually enjoy internet debates as long as people don't take things all personal and get crazy.

I see, no worries, Ive noticed the jesus sig does make people look harder at Autobot032's posts. Reading into things a little too much.

I am always surprised when people do take things personally, after all what we know about our fellow posters is quite limited.

If I was walking down the street and a stranger called me an asshole, I dont think I could muster the energy to care. He doesnt even know me.

Discussion boards are just that, for discussion, not using ones life story as an excuse for the way you think.
If posters debate and one side is proven wrong, they shouldnt consider the charity work they do in real life a counterpoint. Thats poor debating, points and counterpoints should stand regardless of the author.

Sid Burn wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:To Neko and everyone else:

On the Jazz Theory thread, I admit I made some ignorant jokes, but I also apologized for it and meant it 110%. It was never my intention to hurt anyone's feelings. I was trying to go with the flow of the thread and I went a bit too far.

I'm sorry.

But am I ever going to hear the end of it? I mean what else do you guys want from me?

I'm not idiot posting porn descriptions, his posts stayed on well after the thread should've been closed.

I admit I was stupid in my actions, and there's no excuse, but am I going to have to hear about this stupid Jazz thing forever?

Wouldn't it just be easier to ask me to leave?

Hey Autobot032, dont jump off so quick. I certainly wasnt aiming my critism of the thread directly at you. I dont know if anyone else was attacking you specifically, but I certainly wasnt on that boat. I think I know a little about you from your posts and I know your retraction was 100% from the heart.

Everyone who posted the slurs on that thread was bordering bad taste, and a few who stomped all over any taste the thread could have had.

Its done now, hope you stay Autobot032

I'd love to stay, but if the people aren't happy with my being here, then I'll go. No point in being somewhere you're not wanted, and it's not my place to make other people miserable.

I don't see any reason for you to leave. Unless you just want everyone to go, "awww, please stay."

Stay. Go. Free country and all that.

Malikon wrote:I don't see any reason for you to leave. Unless you just want everyone to go, "awww, please stay."

Stay. Go. Free country and all that.

Oh no no. Let's clear that up right now, I don't want anyone's sympathy, or begging or anything like that. I was simply stating the facts at hand.

Autobot032 wrote:

Malikon wrote:I don't see any reason for you to leave. Unless you just want everyone to go, "awww, please stay."

Stay. Go. Free country and all that.

Oh no no. Let's clear that up right now, I don't want anyone's sympathy, or begging or anything like that. I was simply stating the facts at hand.

If people are making you feel unwelcome here then we have a problem.

I'm sorry to see someone leave the boards due to unfriendly behavior towards them.

Neko wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Malikon wrote:I don't see any reason for you to leave. Unless you just want everyone to go, "awww, please stay."

Stay. Go. Free country and all that.

Oh no no. Let's clear that up right now, I don't want anyone's sympathy, or begging or anything like that. I was simply stating the facts at hand.

If people are making you feel unwelcome here then we have a problem.

I'm sorry to see someone leave the boards due to unfriendly behavior towards them.

I shouldn't have said anything. This turned into an even bigger train wreck. =\

My point is, I don't want to leave, but if it ends up that more people would rather I go than stay, I'd respect their wishes. Simple as that.

I'm going to shut up now. I've inserted my foot deep into my mouth at this point. >_<

Neko wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Malikon wrote:I don't see any reason for you to leave. Unless you just want everyone to go, "awww, please stay."

Stay. Go. Free country and all that.

Oh no no. Let's clear that up right now, I don't want anyone's sympathy, or begging or anything like that. I was simply stating the facts at hand.

If people are making you feel unwelcome here then we have a problem.

I'm sorry to see someone leave the boards due to unfriendly behavior towards them.

Whoa, whoa, whoa...

This happens everyday here.

Unfriendly behavior is internet staple.

There is a complete and total difference between being unfriendly and being abusive.

If I was going to leave due to 'unfriendly' behavior directed towards me, I'd be gone years ago. Abuse isn't cool. Abusing posters and vicious name calling because of a difference of opinion is inappropriate.

That being said, because the internet is no more than an open market of ideas and counter-ideas, hardly anyone is going to 'play nice'. It can't happen. Discussion can be civil though heated, intense though thoughtful, or even downright partisan, but it will never be "friendly" because serious discourse by nature is confrontational.

I'm pretty sure Autobot32 doesn't like me. He's said as much in a few threads. It doesn't matter though. (well, not to me) He doesn't like the things I say; he doesn't actually know me to not like me as a person.

And all of this is cool. That's the name of the game. It's the Internet. Win some, lose some.

Now when personal attacks start, which circumvent the discussion. When the person is attacked and not the stance or idea, that's abuse.

I hope I'm coming across clearly with my ideas here.

Basically, disagreement/discussion is not inherently friendly. It can be, but by nature isn't. That's not a bad thing. You want to put forth an idea? Be ready to have it challenged.

Abuse of a poster is not cool, ever. It is inappropriate and misdirected.

(and for the record, Autobot32, I've never seen anyone be abusive towards you outside of this thread. Thinking that you have to leave because others want you to go is easily perceived as an attention cry.)

apparently im a little late but... i can't stand bratty kids either

Bumblebee-otch wrote:apparently im a little late but... i can't stand bratty kids either

Ha ha ha probably the shortest, most innocent and too the point post in this whole thread, right at the end, quality.

Counterpunch wrote:

Neko wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Malikon wrote:I don't see any reason for you to leave. Unless you just want everyone to go, "awww, please stay."

Stay. Go. Free country and all that.

Oh no no. Let's clear that up right now, I don't want anyone's sympathy, or begging or anything like that. I was simply stating the facts at hand.

If people are making you feel unwelcome here then we have a problem.

I'm sorry to see someone leave the boards due to unfriendly behavior towards them.

Whoa, whoa, whoa...

This happens everyday here.

Unfriendly behavior is internet staple.

There is a complete and total difference between being unfriendly and being abusive.

If I was going to leave due to 'unfriendly' behavior directed towards me, I'd be gone years ago. Abuse isn't cool. Abusing posters and vicious name calling because of a difference of opinion is inappropriate.

That being said, because the internet is no more than an open market of ideas and counter-ideas, hardly anyone is going to 'play nice'. It can't happen. Discussion can be civil though heated, intense though thoughtful, or even downright partisan, but it will never be "friendly" because serious discourse by nature is confrontational.

I'm pretty sure Autobot32 doesn't like me. He's said as much in a few threads. It doesn't matter though. (well, not to me) He doesn't like the things I say; he doesn't actually know me to not like me as a person.

And all of this is cool. That's the name of the game. It's the Internet. Win some, lose some.

Now when personal attacks start, which circumvent the discussion. When the person is attacked and not the stance or idea, that's abuse.

I hope I'm coming across clearly with my ideas here.

Basically, disagreement/discussion is not inherently friendly. It can be, but by nature isn't. That's not a bad thing. You want to put forth an idea? Be ready to have it challenged.

Abuse of a poster is not cool, ever. It is inappropriate and misdirected.

(and for the record, Autobot32, I've never seen anyone be abusive towards you outside of this thread. Thinking that you have to leave because others want you to go is easily perceived as an attention cry.)

Again, I don't dislike or like you. I said in the Rock Lords thread (before you even made this post) that I don't know you the person well enough to say one way or the other.

And the internet can be friendly, which is part of the reason I came to and stuck with Seibertron. It's unfortunate that you've had people be rude and inconsiderate towards you on here (or anywhere else) but as I learned about me, you need to learn you are some of your own problem. You don't come across as Mr. Congeniality most of the time. (Nor are you expected to, everyone has their bad days)

And you can perceive this as an attention cry all you want, I could tell you 'til I'm blue in the face, that this is not what you think, but go right ahead. As you said, you don't care what I think and the same goes for me about you.

I'm just so sick and tired of hearing about the Jazz thread, and how everyone involved is a racist, etc

I can only say I'm sorry so much (and mean it), but if it's not enough for people, I don't know what else to do. So, if it makes them feel better that I'd leave, I'd do so to respect their wishes.

That's the point I was trying to get across, not a cry for attention.

People like you make it hard for peace, always gotta have the last word and "tell it like it is" because you're a know it all.

But as I said in the RL thread, we would do better to just avoid each other's posts, and I've decided that's exactly what I'm going to do. You and I don't see eye to eye, which is fine, but it's just better to avoid the trouble. So I'm done talking to you.

Maniac23 wrote:

Bumblebee-otch wrote:apparently im a little late but... i can't stand bratty kids either

Ha ha ha probably the shortest, most innocent and too the point post in this whole thread, right at the end, quality.

And he's the smartest one of us all, in this thread.

i was gonna stay off this gravy train but i decided to jump on and cause a bit of a rumble.

I was diciplined as a child.. i got given a smack, and i mean a proper smack at the time, and im not talking about a light pop on the ass as an embarrassment, i mean a full proper contack stinger. one that you heard and felt, and was left with the stinging sensation as a reminder of what i got the smack for.

it did escalate further and i did get the belt at one point, and not the leather strap of it.. i got hit with the buckle end accross the back of my thighs (yes my dad was that angry at me - but he and i don't speak anymore and thats a different story altogether) and i couldn't sit down for the rest of the day without whipering.

i was diciplined.. and yes at 25 im a hell raiser, quiet thinker, fun person.. had brushes with the law.. yes - but that was due to being with the wrong crowd of people at the time and age has made me wiser with who not to hang around with nor trust.

however i did see a kid getting a smack in ASDA (owned by WAL-Mart) last weekend. why? simple he was being an over bearing irrtating prick, even his mom and gran saw it too, and they were roaring at him but he was just laughing at them... still was when his mom told him that he was grounded for his carry on. his gran however didn't see the funny side, and this kid knew he was in trouble and tried to back away from her, but she hauled him out the corner and smacked him in the ass and he went running to his mom saying "mommy mommy gran hit me".. i laughed and rolled my eyes and everyone in the store was watching them, and the kicker is that his moms response was "you deserved it.. you've embarrassed both me and your gran in front of a bunch of strangers"

needless to say that the kid shut his trap and tried to dissapear into his tracksuit so noone would look at him.

moral? im in favour of giving a kid a smack or giving them a scolding to embarass them in public, at home the same applies.. but i wouldnt give them the same treatment that i received off my dad (my mom was gentler but still harsh when i acted up)

point of this?

if the parents are willing to have kids then they should be 100% committed to bringing their kids up in an effective and respectful manner, if they act up discipline is the order of the day, and its a dish that everyone will have to eat from.

example of bad parenting:

my friend's (currently serving with the army[hoo rah!] in afghanistan - props and respect to you my bro) little brat sister got herself knocked up and she gave birth to a baby girl, yes she was happy but the kicker is.. she wants to carry on with her life as if the baby never was there.. she wants to go out every weekend and party and drink and get drunk and fall over herself and just rely on her mum and stepdad to bring the sprog up... to quote her "if you look after the baby tonight you can go out the night of the christening" - this was to her parents please note.

when i found out im like WTF? she drops a sprog and still wants to carry on as if the kid wasn't there? sorry but she doesn't deserve to be a mother, and get this...i passed her in ther street a few days ago and she was yacking with her friend who had the duty of pushing this girls baby around the whole day! im sorry but if your gonna have a kid wake the **** up and learn your role! i mean its like eh? your a parent now.. a SINGLE parent and your still acting like a stupid irresponsible teenager?

no wonder the world is going to hell in a handbasket...

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this is why kids are going crazy.. people don't want to have the responsibility or to care about kids anymore.

do i hate snotty punkassed brats? yes
would i love to go on a beration rampage and take out the PC brigade? deffinately

My Dad use to spank us with a belt but stopped when I was around 10-12 because he didn't like doing it.

I have seen households where the children were spanked and and those that weren't. The results can go both ways and depends heavily on the way in which they're disciplined and for what reasons.

I don't see this as a black and white issue and broad statements don't fit well into the equations.

Kaiser Convoy wrote:i was gonna stay off this gravy train but i decided to jump on and cause a bit of a rumble.

I was diciplined as a child.. i got given a smack, and i mean a proper smack at the time, and im not talking about a light pop on the ass as an embarrassment, i mean a full proper contack stinger. one that you heard and felt, and was left with the stinging sensation as a reminder of what i got the smack for.

i was diciplined.. and yes at 25 im a hell raiser, quiet thinker, fun person.. had brushes with the law.. yes - but that was due to being with the wrong crowd of people at the time and age has made me wiser with who not to hang around with nor trust.

moral? im in favour of giving a kid a smack or giving them a scolding to embarass them in public, at home the same applies.. but i wouldnt give them the same treatment that i received off my dad (my mom was gentler but still harsh when i acted up)

point of this?

if the parents are willing to have kids then they should be 100% committed to bringing their kids up in an effective and respectful manner, if they act up discipline is the order of the day, and its a dish that everyone will have to eat from.

no wonder the world is going to hell in a handbasket...

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this is why kids are going crazy.. people don't want to have the responsibility or to care about kids anymore.

do i hate snotty punkassed brats? yes
would i love to go on a beration rampage and take out the PC brigade? deffinately

Hating the kids will do you no good. Just makes you as bad as the parents, really. The kids aren't loved by their parents, and it shows. Hating the children only reinforces that what the parents do and how they act is okay.

I had my "rebellious" phase and I'm so glad I got out of it when I did. It was dumb, it was dangerous, and I made life an absolute misery for my parents.

And I agree that kids need to be punished, given boundaries, and controlled in general, without going to excess.

I know full well what you mean when you talk about the stinging spankings, and humiliation, and the noise/pain issue. (I can still feel the pain and hear the smack, even after 22 years...) It wasn't my parents though.

It was my Elementary School Principal. He beat my behind with a drilled through wooden paddle (in case any of you don't know what that's like, Google it...you'll cringe) and he beat me sore. First red, then quickly to black and blue.

I was 5 friggin' years old. FIVE! The one time wasn't even my fault either, and it was proven. Still...got spanked.

A classmate of mine stole $50.00 out of my mom's purse when he came over to play one day. The principal caught him with it, the 'mate said I helped him get it (which wasn't true, not to mention...why would I go through my mom's purse, and at five, no less.) and the principal spanked us both to teach us that stealing is bad, and then threatened to throw both of us out of school (at five, I kid you not) for providing a climate of trouble, showing other kids that they could do the same. (Bull, but nothing I could do.)

My parents proved that I had nothing to do with it and the principal said that the spanking still stands and should serve as a lesson so I won't do such things in the future.

My dad told him "You have to have written permission before handing out physical punishment. We never gave that to you. Don't do it again."

He did. I mouthed off, and deserved to be punished (but not to this point...) he spanked me again, this time even worse than the last. I told my dad, he came over with a friend of his (who invited himself lol) and they had a sit down with the principal, who called me in and asked me why I was lying and I said I wasn't and showed the marks on my buttocks (you could see where the holes in the paddle were...I kid you not)

The principal finally fessed up and pulled the paddle out to show it to my dad and said "This is what keep order here in my school. I will continue to use it as well." my dad went through the whole "No you won't thing", things got heated, and the principal said "I'll spank him again for mouthing off, right here in front of you! Pull 'em Down Jefferey! NOW!" My dad's friend scared us all at that tense moment...he grabbed the paddle and whacked the Principal's arm with it. The principal lunged and my dad's friend punched him, dead center in his face. He stood over the principal and told him he'd kill him if he ever hit me or any other kid ever again.

The police were called and things got really ugly. My dad's friend got fined (and I think a small 72 hour stint...) and the principal was suspended without pay. More kids came forward and told the police how the principal beat them as well.

I'm not sure what happened to the principal after that, my parents moved me out of the school district for a while.

So yeah, I know what you mean by the sound and pain thing...you never forget it.

This is why I say punish your kids, don't beat them.

to Nekko:

My statements are broad because im a cryptic and very silent person at times, and can also be very vague so i was providing some substance to what i was referring to.

Autobot032:

i don't hate kids.. i just hate spoiled snotty nosed lil brat who think they can get their own way. i want to have kids one day and be the father to them that i never really had (especially in my "terrible teens" part of life) kids are great when they are well behaved, even when they are a little chaotic they are cute... but beyond that they can become insufferable

Kaiser Convoy wrote:to Nekko:

My statements are broad because im a cryptic and very silent person at times, and can also be very vague so i was providing some substance to what i was referring to.

Gotcha.


Autobot032,

How is it even legal to allow that? A principal spanking student?

Autobot032 wrote:The police were called and things got really ugly. My dad's friend got fined (and I think a small 72 hour stint...) and the principal was suspended without pay. More kids came forward and told the police how the principal beat them as well.

I cant believe your fathers friend was charged with all the evidence of child abuse by your principal evident.

What a crock, the cops should have shook his hand and thanked him.

Grrrr. It just made me so mad when I had the last figure on the shelf then some little kid comes along running and says aw man there's no more, then he sees me holding the figure and actually tries to wrestle it from me! I said I got to it first so too bad. Then he just sits down and starts bawling! So you know what I did? I just ran as fast as I could to the cash registers and bought it. And it was just a Scorponok figure too!

This is the lifeguard. YOU!!! Out of the gene pool, now!

I have a friend that never, ever, ever should've been allowed to breed. When we were 20/21 years old, he was dating this trashy 30 year old broad. My buddy thought it was cool that he was bagging this older chick, but he didn't see that she was an obsessive whacko.

So he and I go on spring break with some of my other buddies. She wigs out and tells him that she's pregnant and he's the dad. My buddy thinks that she's manipulating him into being faithful while we were at the beach. We felt validated when the next day she calls and says "no, I took another test and it came back negative." When we got home, he broke up with her and didn't hear from her for about a year and a half. Out of nowhere, she drops TWIN BOYS off at his house and says "these are yours, peace, out" and skips town. She's now wanted for child abandonment and my buddy is trying to raise the spawn of Satan when he can barely take care of himself.

These kids are terrible. When they were two, his way of diciplining them was to have the "good" kid punch the "bad" kid. You can imagine the chaos. They came to our house and when my wife tried to discipline one of them, he punched her in the mouth! Neither of us were amused and that was the beginning of the end of our close friendship. We still talk, but the relationship is strained b/c of his lack of parenting skills. Very sad....

Wow, the jazz theory and the kid spanking thread sure have caused some chaos on here......sheesh. Alot of thin armored cybertronians around here.

The convo would have ended up with something like..

"Lady, you better learn to control your little monster before he runs up against someone in the real world who puts him in his place for you"...

Parents, remember. Only YOU think your children are perfect angels........

Neko wrote:

Kaiser Convoy wrote:to Nekko:

My statements are broad because im a cryptic and very silent person at times, and can also be very vague so i was providing some substance to what i was referring to.

Gotcha.


Autobot032,

How is it even legal to allow that? A principal spanking student?

Back then in the mid-80s, here in PA, if the parents gave permission, the school officials were allowed to perform corporal punishment. (To a degree, though. This guy clearly went overboard.) According to Answers.com some U.S. states still allow it!

Answers.com wrote:Corporal punishment of schoolchildren is still sanctioned in many states.

I've no idea if PA is still included among them. I do know though, you had to have parental permission before the schools could do it.

Another quoted piece from that article:

Answers.com wrote:Caning and spanking remain common in schools in some areas of the United States and Britain. Movements to restore or encourage corporal punishment of children recur periodically, as in rural and Southern parts of the United States.

The Caning part got me...spanking is one thing, but to actually whack a kid with a stick? Ow...(though nothing, and I mean nothing hurts like a paddle with holes drilled in it.)

Answers.com wrote:Corporal punishment, usually in the form of paddling, though practiced in U.S. schools since the American Revolution, was only sanctioned by the U.S. Supreme Court in the late 1970s. In Ingraham v. Wright, 430 U.S. 651, 97 S. Ct. 1401, 51 L. Ed. 2d 711 (1977), students from a Florida junior high school had received physical punishment, including paddling so severe that one student required medical treatment. The plaintiffs, parents of students who had been disciplined, brought suit against the school district, alleging that corporal punishment in public schools constituted cruel and unusual punishment in violation of the Eighth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The plaintiffs also maintained that the Fourteenth Amendment required due process procedures before corporal punishment could be administered.

The Supreme Court rejected the Eighth Amendment claim, holding that the prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment was designed to protect persons convicted of crimes, not students who were paddled as a form of discipline. The Court also held that though corporal punishment did implicate a constitutionally protected liberty interest, traditional common-law remedies, such as filing an action in tort, were "fully adequate to afford due process." Thus, the Court concluded, teachers could use "reasonable but not excessive" corporal punishment to discipline students.

Since the Supreme Court's decision in Ingraham, corporal punishment in the schools has been challenged on other constitutional grounds.

Absolutely ridiculous, isn't it?

(For full article details, here's the link: http://www.answers.com/corporal+punishm ... fin&gwp=16)

Sid Burn wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:The police were called and things got really ugly. My dad's friend got fined (and I think a small 72 hour stint...) and the principal was suspended without pay. More kids came forward and told the police how the principal beat them as well.

I cant believe your fathers friend was charged with all the evidence of child abuse by your principal evident.

What a crock, the cops should have shook his hand and thanked him.

I don't know what his exact charges were (that part my parents kept me out of) but if I had to venture a guess...

1.) Assault and battery: Smacking the principal with the paddle, then punching him in the face.

2.) Terroristic threats: Telling the principal he'd kill him, etc.

So, if you look at it from the law's point of view, my dad's friend *did* commit a crime, no matter what the reasoning.

Fortunately, that rathole of a town is now under the jurisdiction of the State Police, instead of the town cop. (They forced him out, because he was corrupt.) He was a nice guy, a really nice guy. He'd let you go on traffic violations all the time (including DUI, if it wasn't excessive), and turn a blind eye to drugs, but when he wanted to, geez Louise...could he be terrible when he finally did crack down. (Sheriff Smitty was his nickname...I'll never forget that.) The State Police came into town and cracked down on the whole thing.

Smitty only took action because his kids were in the school as well, and he didn't want his kids beaten by the principal. Not to mention, all of those kids coming forward would've made for a huge mess if he didn't do something.

It was one of the only good things he had done.

You gotta understand, this is a really small, backwoods hick town. Up until a few years ago, African-Americans weren't even allowed in. (That's part of why Smitty was forced out and the State Police took over. To actually protect the Afro/Am when they moved in.) Stuff like paddling the kids was commonplace.

(For more information: http://www.city-data.com/city/Saegertow ... vania.html and that picture of the Gazebo at the top, is the town park. Literally, that Gazebo and the patch of grass it sits on..is the park. lol)

I wouldn't doubt it if they still perform corporal punishment in Saegertown...but I promise one thing....if anyone spanks my kids (whenever I finally have them) like I was...

I'll beat that person senseless, I'll leave them so black and blue, they'll have to stand in front of a white wall just to be seen in daylight. Oh heck no, ain't gonna happen.

Oh and in case anyone still doesn't know what kind of paddle I'm talking about...

It's a piece of wood about 15 inches long, and about 1.5-2.0 inches thick (so while it's not unmanageable, it's not light either, so there's some force behind it..) and generally has 8-10 holes drilled in it. I'd say about the size of a Nickel, to a Quarter. As you swing this paddle, the air is forced through the holes, causing the paddle to have more force, and when it connects, the skin actually enters the holes briefly. And this swatting is repeated about 2-3 times. It will leave welts, bruising, pain (scale of 1-10, a solid 13) and the physical remnants can last upward of a week!

>_< I still cringe when I think about it.

Neko wrote:Autobot032,

How is it even legal to allow that? A principal spanking student?

Use of a paddle was commonplace in my elementary school (back in the late 80's). I still remember one of the male teachers brandishing a 4 foot long one that had drawings of crying kids and "The Intimidator" written on it. How wrong is that?

Now, my family used spanking as a form of discipline but not to inflict pain, to "wake me up" and let me know that if I did wrong, there would be consequences. I learned quickly to toe the line so that spankings weren't necessary. Did I fear my father? Only when I knew I screwed up. Did I respect my dad? Sure. Am I close to him today, at almost 30 years of age? Absolutely. Have I actually thanked him for spanking me and being a firm disciplinarian? You d*mn betcha.

Now, I realize that not all kids need corporal punishment to learn their boundaries. As a father myself, I don't want to have to spank my son, but if that's what it takes, then so be it. The times that i've given him a swat, that's all it's been - one smack on the bum to get his attention. Did I feel terrible about it? Sure, but he can't see that or the purpose has been defeated.

This is a very complex issue and everyone is going to have their own view of things based on their experiences. Go with what works, so long as you take responsibility for yourself and your child.

wildscorpio67 wrote:

Neko wrote:Autobot032,

How is it even legal to allow that? A principal spanking student?

Use of a paddle was commonplace in my elementary school (back in the late 80's). I still remember one of the male teachers brandishing a 4 foot long one that had drawings of crying kids and "The Intimidator" written on it. How wrong is that?

Now, my family used spanking as a form of discipline but not to inflict pain, to "wake me up" and let me know that if I did wrong, there would be consequences. I learned quickly to toe the line so that spankings weren't necessary. Did I fear my father? Only when I knew I screwed up. Did I respect my dad? Sure. Am I close to him today, at almost 30 years of age? Absolutely. Have I actually thanked him for spanking me and being a firm disciplinarian? You d*mn betcha.

Now, I realize that not all kids need corporal punishment to learn their boundaries. As a father myself, I don't want to have to spank my son, but if that's what it takes, then so be it. The times that i've given him a swat, that's all it's been - one smack on the bum to get his attention. Did I feel terrible about it? Sure, but he can't see that or the purpose has been defeated.

This is a very complex issue and everyone is going to have their own view of things based on their experiences. Go with what works, so long as you take responsibility for yourself and your child.

Using a paddle in school was also common in my elementary, and that was early 90's. I remember once i got into a fight with the principal's grandson, and when we were at the office she told me to say it was all my fault, and when i said no she takes out a 3 foot paddle and started slapping it against her palm, and i had to take full responsibility for the fight, and her grandson, was an "angel" so he of course he couldn't have caused it. i think spanking once in a while is fine, but i consider it abuse when u use an object to strike a child.

While were on this subject, does anyone else have a problem with their friends and families children attacking your TF collection when they come to visit? I keep my TF's on shelves in my computer room. As soon as I know a kids coming around I make sure to shut the door to try to avoid the problem. Last time my buddy and his wife were over with their 1.5 year old he wanted to use my computer and the kid followed him and I didn't notice. The next thing I know the kid is running around with my deluxe movie Brawl and Jazz. Of course he starts screaming when I snatch them away from him making me look like a selfish jerk who can't share my "toys".

OptimusPrimeRib wrote:While were on this subject, does anyone else have a problem with their friends and families children attacking your TF collection when they come to visit? I keep my TF's on shelves in my computer room. As soon as I know a kids coming around I make sure to shut the door to try to avoid the problem. Last time my buddy and his wife were over with their 1.5 year old he wanted to use my computer and the kid followed him and I didn't notice. The next thing I know the kid is running around with my deluxe movie Brawl and Jazz. Of course he starts screaming when I snatch them away from him making me look like a selfish jerk who can't share my "toys".

Yep. I can't keep them away from my cousin, who's 9 years old. He likes playing with them but when I say no he starts complaining and whining.