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I really dont like that concept, well i know that Sector Seven took information from Megatron's Body to evolve the worlds technologi, but still ... They are freaking Robots, Transformers, why the heck can 'human' aircraft take down Scorponok?! ... The Soldier guy made a critical shot on Blackout, and then Blackout goes offline ... Even Megatron could feel the human artelleri! ...

Well i know that the explaination is that they learned from Megatron when he was frozzened ... but still, it dosnt feel right if you ask me ...

What do you guys think about that concept?

This is one of my major critiques of the movie. A few lucky soldiers with grenade launchers did more damage to the Cons than Jazz, Ironhide and Ratchet combined. Didn't feel right at all. Hopefully in the next go round the Bots will be the ones handing the Cons their a$$es on a silver platter.

Scorponok getting blasted by the gunship was cool because those gunships pack some high heat and he was a minor Con but Blackout and the lucky Sabot crotch shot was too over the top. And why did the Cons use bullets as their main artillery?

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Even trough Scoponok was an minor con, he was still an Transformer ... He could even shot freaking power blast's out of the claws which was an surprise to me! He could have ownd these silly Warrhogg planes, or what ever they are called ...

But well there was something with Starscream betrayed Megatron when the human aircraft opened fire at Megs, Starscream did the same. I could understand if he did the main-damage to Megs at that moment, remember Megatron nearly beat the **** out of Prime! Ehm ... my points is that i could understand if Screamer did the damage instead of the human airplanes ... *Man im tired *

And year ... bullets? Ehhh ... i thought that Plasma was much more powerfull? Even trough it has to load longer if im right.

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my impression was that Blackout, Scorponok, and Barricade were the scouts. After they found out where the allspark was then the main military guys came out of hiding. I noticed that the three big guys took a LOT of punishment.

Two autobots firing at Brawl plus the entire troop of humans and he was still handing them their rears but it took only Bumblebee to take out Barricade the first time. And if humans can capture bumblebee then humans can take out blackout IMHO.

Well, if you have a alien robot to study fo 80 years and the same species comes to the planet to attack... IMO the humans should have been MORE prepared. I'm fine with the reverse enginered bit.

Besides, the Bots WEAPONS were far superior it's just that their armor (skin) was as not as much.

Think of it like this... If ants all of a sudden got lasers that could kill humans with one shot it would be difficult for us to make it to the ant hill, but if someone did get there it'll still go down with a single boot heal.

Omega_Supreme wrote:my impression was that Blackout, Scorponok, and Barricade were the scouts. After they found out where the allspark was then the main military guys came out of hiding. I noticed that the three big guys took a LOT of punishment. Two autobots were firing at Brawl plus the entire troop of humans but it took only Bumblebee to take out Barricade the first time. And if humans can capture bumblebee then humans can take out blackout IMHO.

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You forget that BB didnt fight back, he had orders from Prime not to harm the humans when ever what, that's the Autobot style. Well i think he could have made it if he used hes freaking Plasma cannon ... The part where those Sector Seven scientists frozed him down i was ... angry? The Autobots didnt helped him because of the mission, but i was just so angry, i really hoped that Prime would kick some 'Freedom isnt the right for these beings', just one time!

Well back to the thread, you could have a little right in the Scout part, but they are still alien beings with technollegi far superior to our own.

What about Blackout, he was one shottet if i remember right, and i was pretty sure he was a really though guy.

Just because they are Transformers doesn't make them
invincible.

DISCHARGE wrote:Just because they are Transformers doesn't make them
invincible.

I know dude, but its just that this is an unknown spicies of Alien-lifeform, if you ask me it would been better if they all where a little more tough, remember poor Scoponok? Well he was ... dumb, but still i felt that he could have taken at least 1 of those planes down. ...

Even truth humans learned from Megatron, the other robots had many years to evolve there armor and firepower, if im right Sector Seven had Megatron for 80years? Well you know that in some cases Transformers grow stronger when they upgrade themselves, this was and old version of Megatron ... but ... oh he still kicked Primes butt ...

Maybe i should just stop write anymore before 2morow, so tired

This is about how you feel the concept of humans will, too hurt our dear robots

I too dislike the whole "40mm Sabre Shells" damage the Transformers deal.

But it was done so that the humans who had so much film time devoted to them, were not completely useless in battle. It still took a lot of the shells to do damage to the transformers, and it only really hurt them when they were hit in the correct areas.

The Transformers themselves also only seemed to mainly be armed with Earth based Weapons.

Any way you slice it, a Helicopter, or regular car can only have so much armour, whereas a tank or Humvee can have far more, Ratchet took quite a few shots from Starscream, and held up fine. If Starscream had've done the same to Jazz, he would probably have been seriously injured.

The Captain's sabre shot on Blackout managed to not only hit him in an un-protected area, it would have also hit critical systems, the same happened with Brawl, as soon as he was hit with the sabre shells in his chest, he went down. Those shells were hitting at over 6000 degrees, and would melt away all systems. You can actually see Brawl's chest melting away just before he falls.

Its really along the same lines as humans and arrows. Get hit by a small arrow in the arm, you'll be injured, in some pain, but more than likely able to carry on. Hit with the same small arrow in the chest, and the injuries are greater, and depending on where it hit, could be fatal.

At least regular guns, flamethrowers, and even missiles were ineffective against the Transformers, it was only the intense heat Sabre shells that could cause damage, severely limiting the usefulness of the Earth's armed forces.

yeah, I gotta admit, i'd of rather seen the autobots do the most damage, not the humans.

as far as bulletts instead of lazers, maybe when they made the movie, they just liked the noise?

like space orks say, "dakka dakka dakka"

The Term is SABOT, SABOT shells. (Ironically from the same root as the word Sabatuer... which is a word meaning shoe but thats an aside).

The field of armor and weaponry really doesn't change as much as you would think and when it does its linked inextricably.

Notice the Cybertronian weaponry had very little effect on the Transformers, this is likely because on Cybertron much of the weapons are energy based.

But they get to earth and they need to deal with Kinetic weapons, which isn't something many cybertronians use.

Here let me put it this way, did you know that a Civil war Era Parrot gun can penetrate the armor on a bradley IFV with ease? Civil War Era Cannon would also be able to disable an Abrahms Tank if one could maneuver one behind the tank and get a shot in on the turbine housing.

Of course thats not much of a concern however as theres no reasonable expectation to face a cannon of that approximate power in modern combat due to their unwieldiness.

See most weapons aren't replaced by something more powerful, most weapons are replaced by something just powerfull enough to be effective and lighter/easier to use etc.

Its not much of a stretch to say that Human weapons are effective, but they are enormously less flexible and much more difficult to bring to bear as compared to the transformers weaponry.

Transformers being weak to heat is something new to the transformers universe. Molten lava couldn't put the previous transformers down, though freezing still works. I hope that when the next movie comes, they wont have the same weakness to heat otherwise the movie will be over quick.

One of the most annoying things in Sci-Fi ,IMO, is the idea that more advanced means invincible. Besides the rounds refered to (and remember that Hollywood gets stuff wrong alot and on purpose) were H.E.A.T. rounds not heat rounds. Look up H.E.A.T. and Sabot and all the other armor piercing ammo used by the U.S. military (and others). Then remember those numbers are the UNCLASSIFED numbers. It seemed to me that high end Anti-Armor rounds or really high explosive weapons were the only thing hurting TFs in the movie. And by hurt I mean like a four inch pencil being stabbed into you by a 5 year old. It hurts but not really dangerous ,unless they hit in just the right places.

Scorpy was attacked by 2 A-10 Warthogs who did 2 strafeing runs. He was then hit by a "Puff the Magic dragon" from a Spooky. ONE strafing run from an A-10 will destroy an entire convoy of TANKS if they are lined up good for the run. An as far as I saw he still wasn't taken out, just REALLY hurt.

Blackout from what I remember had been hit by multiple shots from Autobots, lots of vehicle and hand carried anti tank rounds (several minutes worth) AND a missil salvo from a flight of attack copters BEFORE the shot to a weak point in his armor. A weak point know about because of analysis of previous intell on that particlar con. Think of it as a lucky hit on a weak area that broke the preverbial camel's back.

It was supposed to be that the TF fighting in a so long Civil War, they had to manage with any kinds of weaponry..., how "easy" the humans brought down BlackOut, and itself destroyed the entire base of Soccent..., it seems kinda strange..., I know the base was a surprise attack, but is an entire base!

Hope to they improve a little bit their armour, having seen earth weapons...

I wished to see light shoots in a Star Wars way so...

I think that in the sequel, the bots will be pretty much impervious to the human weapons, thus giving the bots a lot more screen time, thus making an even more kick ass movie.

If I were doing TF2 I would write it that the "Golden BB" that took out Blackout was a fluke shot or a weakness only for Blackout. Guaranteed that the writers will seal that weakness up right away.

Yes, in order for the Transformers to be still conceived as a threeat to Earth, they either..

A) have to have a bunch of combiners next movie.. whcih would be silly.. but "bigger is badder"

B) Would have to take place in space, or cybertron, where human technology might not work great either.

C) The far better option; Transformers end up studying human weaponary and develop more resistence to it, thus making them harder to take down by humans

But one thing to remember, is that Prime took Bonecrusher down fairly quickly, and Megatron took Jazz down quickly as well (thought the latter wasn't really a fight). So, it's not just humans that can take down a Transformer, another Transformer can dispose of another pretty darn quick too, and that is something that I don't think you'll be able to change for another movie, so here's hoping for *Studied resistence against human weaponry*