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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby sol magnus » Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:38 am

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Nemesis Reformatted wrote:My most wanted figures are Barrage, Ransack, Venom & Chop Shop. It really upsets me when nobody ever mentions them. It's like they don't even exist. It's always Kickback, Bombshell & Shrapnel because only the cartoon exists, nothing from the original toy line matters. :(

I know this about the 86 movie but whenever I see "Insecticons" I get excited. But then I'm like "Oh, it's the crappy 3 again. Not the good ones" and the disappointment sets in.


As far the MOVIE line is concerned, those 3 that never appeared will never be.

However, their chances to appear in the regular Generations line are very high. Many obscure characters whose toys were locked in G1 were reborn in the recent trilogy.
Just wait a bit more.

Uhh, isn't there a Chopshop from the Titans trilogy?
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Nuclearxpotato » Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:16 am

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-Kanrabat- wrote:
Nemesis Reformatted wrote:My most wanted figures are Barrage, Ransack, Venom & Chop Shop. It really upsets me when nobody ever mentions them. It's like they don't even exist. It's always Kickback, Bombshell & Shrapnel because only the cartoon exists, nothing from the original toy line matters. :(

I know this about the 86 movie but whenever I see "Insecticons" I get excited. But then I'm like "Oh, it's the crappy 3 again. Not the good ones" and the disappointment sets in.


As far the MOVIE line is concerned, those 3 that never appeared will never be.

However, their chances to appear in the regular Generations line are very high. Many obscure characters whose toys were locked in G1 were reborn in the recent trilogy.
Just wait a bit more.

The Deluxe Insecticons also suffer from Bandai licensing. Unlike Jetfire who looks nothing like his original toy, the Deluxe Insecticons have only ever looked like their original toys.
TakaraTomy and Hasbro would be taking a huge risk by making new similar looking figures (which is probably why Chop Shop was made while Ransack and Barrage weren't)
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:21 am

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Nuclearxpotato wrote:The Deluxe Insecticons also suffer from Bandai licensing. Unlike Jetfire who looks nothing like his original toy, the Deluxe Insecticons have only ever looked like their original toys.
TakaraTomy and Hasbro would be taking a huge risk by making new similar looking figures (which is probably why Chop Shop was made while Ransack and Barrage weren't)
On the other hand, when Hasbro did the Thrilling 30 toys of Whirl and Roadbuster, Takara did release those same molds as Whirl and Roadbuster in the Legends line, complete with even more 1985 toy-accurate decos.
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Nuclearxpotato » Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:34 am

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Nuclearxpotato wrote:The Deluxe Insecticons also suffer from Bandai licensing. Unlike Jetfire who looks nothing like his original toy, the Deluxe Insecticons have only ever looked like their original toys.
TakaraTomy and Hasbro would be taking a huge risk by making new similar looking figures (which is probably why Chop Shop was made while Ransack and Barrage weren't)
On the other hand, when Hasbro did the Thrilling 30 toys of Whirl and Roadbuster, Takara did release those same molds as Whirl and Roadbuster in the Legends line, complete with even more 1985 toy-accurate decos.


Very true, I suppose it's more of a matter of how obscure the character is. While Whirl and Roadbuster are still obscure, they occupy that same sorta following as Impactor (which is why I knew Impactor was gonna win the Siege vote over Needlenose :( )

Maybe one day we'll get proper Deluxe Insecticons, but I don't see Hasbro ever seeing them as worthy of dumping the money for new molds.
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Sowndwave76 » Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:56 am

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Nuclearxpotato wrote:Maybe one day we'll get proper Deluxe Insecticons, but I don't see Hasbro ever seeing them as worthy of dumping the money for new molds.


If you're referring to the "main" 3 which were in the movie, I do see that happening, and soon.
Back 5+ years ago it was a general consensus that Hasbro wasn't ready (or willing) to put much into making characters with beast/creature/insect alt modes, if at all. Which seemed to at least partially explain why Predaking, Piranhacon, and Abominus had no chance during CW.
That door was opened back with PotP, and has been flung wide open with the Kingdom line and SS86 Dinobots (and even a few of the Headmaster reissues).
It also seems possible considering how few Decepticon characters are left (outside of what's been released from Siege, ER, and Kingdom). Especially ones that were in the movie.
I'm of the opinion that if Hastak is willing to make an Allicon and Sharkticon, then Insecticons are more than possible.

The one thing they have working against them is also one thing I really appreciate about them-- they're each very different from one another in terms of design, unlike the Datsuns, seekers, Ironhide/Ratchet, BB/Cliffjumper/Bugbite, and even Scorponok and B.Z.
However, my hope would be that new molds for characters like the Insecticons would be possible considering the multiple uses of many other molds as the ones previously mentioned (as well as the 4 Megatrons, 4 OP's, 21 Sideswipes, etc.).

I could see the Insecticons being made at legit deluxe class size (bigger than BB and Cliffjumper);
Being that SS86 is sticking very closely to the movie, Shrapnel sure seemed to be a decent size in the scene with Blitzwing, Kup and Hot Rod; even with some momentum from falling, he's big enough to send Blitzwing in tank mode tumbling backwards. Just doesn't seem like Bumblebee, Cliffjumper, or any other minibot would have the size to do that.
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:01 pm

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Nuclearxpotato wrote:Maybe one day we'll get proper Deluxe Insecticons, but I don't see Hasbro ever seeing them as worthy of dumping the money for new molds.


If you're referring to the "main" 3 which were in the movie, I do see that happening, and soon.
Back 5+ years ago it was a general consensus that Hasbro wasn't ready (or willing) to put much into making characters with beast/creature/insect alt modes, if at all. Which seemed to at least partially explain why Predaking, Piranhacon, and Abominus had no chance during CW.
That door was opened back with PotP, and has been flung wide open with the Kingdom line and SS86 Dinobots (and even a few of the Headmaster reissues).
It also seems possible considering how few Decepticon characters are left (outside of what's been released from Siege, ER, and Kingdom). Especially ones that were in the movie.
I'm of the opinion that if Hastak is willing to make an Allicon and Sharkticon, then Insecticons are more than possible.

The one thing they have working against them is also one thing I really appreciate about them-- they're each very different from one another in terms of design, unlike the Datsuns, seekers, Ironhide/Ratchet, BB/Cliffjumper/Bugbite, and even Scorponok and B.Z.
However, my hope would be that new molds for characters like the Insecticons would be possible considering the multiple uses of many other molds as the ones previously mentioned (as well as the 4 Megatrons, 4 OP's, 21 Sideswipes, etc.).

I could see the Insecticons being made at legit deluxe class size (bigger than BB and Cliffjumper);
Being that SS86 is sticking very closely to the movie, Shrapnel sure seemed to be a decent size in the scene with Blitzwing, Kup and Hot Rod; even with some momentum from falling, he's big enough to send Blitzwing in tank mode tumbling backwards. Just doesn't seem like Bumblebee, Cliffjumper, or any other minibot would have the size to do that.


He was talking about the other Insecticons, the ones labeled as deluxes from the G1 toyline that didn't appear in the show or movie.

It's pretty much a given about the original three Insecticons
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:02 pm

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Nuclearxpotato wrote:Maybe one day we'll get proper Deluxe Insecticons, but I don't see Hasbro ever seeing them as worthy of dumping the money for new molds.


If you're referring to the "main" 3 which were in the movie, I do see that happening, and soon.
He does not mean those.
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Sowndwave76 » Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:24 pm

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Got it...

Although I don't think those guys are too far off either...
Wouldn't surprise me at all if those happen in the next couple years.
Those 3 would add some nice variety when we get another OP, Megatron, and any other "popular" character. Even if it's someone like Blaster who is also due for an update, those bugs would mix-up it up a bit, and Hastak has to know this.
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:11 pm

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Sowndwave76 wrote:Got it...

Although I don't think those guys are too far off either...
Wouldn't surprise me at all if those happen in the next couple years.
Those 3 would add some nice variety when we get another OP, Megatron, and any other "popular" character. Even if it's someone like Blaster who is also due for an update, those bugs would mix-up it up a bit, and Hastak has to know this.

On a long enough timeline, all figures will happen
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby william-james88 » Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:36 pm

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Nuclearxpotato wrote:The Deluxe Insecticons also suffer from Bandai licensing. Unlike Jetfire who looks nothing like his original toy, the Deluxe Insecticons have only ever looked like their original toys.
TakaraTomy and Hasbro would be taking a huge risk by making new similar looking figures (which is probably why Chop Shop was made while Ransack and Barrage weren't)
On the other hand, when Hasbro did the Thrilling 30 toys of Whirl and Roadbuster, Takara did release those same molds as Whirl and Roadbuster in the Legends line, complete with even more 1985 toy-accurate decos.


Oh man, and remember how they specifically made their advertisement mirror the original Bandai toys? Including Takor :lol:

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G1 jetfire reissue when?!
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:48 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:
Nuclearxpotato wrote:The Deluxe Insecticons also suffer from Bandai licensing. Unlike Jetfire who looks nothing like his original toy, the Deluxe Insecticons have only ever looked like their original toys.
TakaraTomy and Hasbro would be taking a huge risk by making new similar looking figures (which is probably why Chop Shop was made while Ransack and Barrage weren't)
On the other hand, when Hasbro did the Thrilling 30 toys of Whirl and Roadbuster, Takara did release those same molds as Whirl and Roadbuster in the Legends line, complete with even more 1985 toy-accurate decos.


Oh man, and remember how they specifically made their advertisement mirror the original Bandai toys? Including Takor :lol:

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ZeroWolf wrote:On a long enough timeline, all figures will happen


G1 jetfire reissue when?!

I could tell you, but it would spoil the date the world ends :-D

Though with that, is it purely a bandai block or would Harmony Gold kick up a fuss
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Apr 27, 2021 3:25 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:Though with that, is it purely a bandai block or would Harmony Gold kick up a fuss
Probably both.
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Sowndwave76 » Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:32 pm

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Sowndwave76 wrote:Got it...

Although I don't think those guys are too far off either...
Wouldn't surprise me at all if those happen in the next couple years.
Those 3 would add some nice variety when we get another OP, Megatron, and any other "popular" character. Even if it's someone like Blaster who is also due for an update, those bugs would mix-up it up a bit, and Hastak has to know this.

On a long enough timeline, all figures will happen


True.
My thought was that we’re starting a major turning point in receiving TF characters in toy-form.
At least imo it seems that way.
We’re seeing more & more obscure characters as regular releases.
Along with releases of characters that may not be obscure to the fandom, but seemed too risky 3-5+ years ago, & still to the average person are very obscure, to the point they’re unknown.
My best friend, who’s 45 is probably about average in his TF knowledge among adults...
I would bet my kids’ lives he doesn’t know who Runamuck or Runabout are.
At best he’d mistake them as Stunticons.
And at the same time, I’m confident he doesn’t remember the name “Stunticons”.
They’d be “The car guys who could transform into a bigger guy”. Even that may be a stretch.

Just like we’re finally getting show-accurate Dinobots, all 6 updated Insecticons can’t be that far off.
*Will the lesser known end up being designed around a play-feature/gimmick?
Yeah maybe. Quite probable. Or possibly part of Gen Selects?
Either way, the “yeah, maybe someday” is now relatively just up around the corner.
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:52 pm

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Sowndwave76 wrote:all 6 updated Insecticons
Seven. There were four Deluxe Insecticons in G1.

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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:24 pm

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Probably both.


Uhhh, maybe not. We might, might see things sooner than we think.
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Sowndwave76 » Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:34 pm

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Sowndwave76 wrote:all 6 updated Insecticons
Seven. There were four Deluxe Insecticons in G1.

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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:02 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:Though with that, is it purely a bandai block or would Harmony Gold kick up a fuss
Probably both.


Uhhh, maybe not. We might, might see things sooner than we think.
You do know we were talking about a hypothetical reissue of the Bandai-made, Harmony Gold-coveted, Macross Valkyrie G1 Jetfire mold, yes?
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:17 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:Though with that, is it purely a bandai block or would Harmony Gold kick up a fuss
Probably both.


Uhhh, maybe not. We might, might see things sooner than we think.
You do know we were talking about a hypothetical reissue of the Bandai-made, Harmony Gold-coveted, Macross Valkyrie G1 Jetfire mold, yes?


Yes, and things have started changing very quickly recently. Things are still far off, but maybe not that far off.
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby sol magnus » Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:58 pm

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Probably both.

Harmony Gold might not be a factor any longer.
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

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Just because Harmony Gold is finally playing nice with their Japanese counterparts doesn't mean they're suddenly going to have a heart and let Hasbro do stuff with the Jetfire design. It's two unrelated things.

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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby sol magnus » Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:42 pm

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Emerje wrote:Just because Harmony Gold is finally playing nice with their Japanese counterparts doesn't mean they're suddenly going to have a heart and let Hasbro do stuff with the Jetfire design. It's two unrelated things.

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I've been in the game a long time. I know how HG rolls, but I saw somewhere that the Japanese company recoups the rights FROM Harmony Gold this year or next. Lemme look it up.
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Emerje » Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:45 pm

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Emerje wrote:Just because Harmony Gold is finally playing nice with their Japanese counterparts doesn't mean they're suddenly going to have a heart and let Hasbro do stuff with the Jetfire design. It's two unrelated things.

Emerje

I've been in the game a long time. I know how HG rolls, but I saw somewhere that the Japanese company recoups the rights FROM Harmony Gold this year or next. Lemme look it up.

You're out of date, HG kept the rights and now they're all working together to bring unaltered Macross to the west.

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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

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Emerje wrote:Just because Harmony Gold is finally playing nice with their Japanese counterparts doesn't mean they're suddenly going to have a heart and let Hasbro do stuff with the Jetfire design. It's two unrelated things.

Emerje

I've been in the game a long time. I know how HG rolls, but I saw somewhere that the Japanese company recoups the rights FROM Harmony Gold this year or next. Lemme look it up.

You're out of date, HG kept the rights and now they're all working together to bring unaltered Macross to the west.

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Ahh, that sucks. I was hoping we might get some hassle-free Macross. And yes, it has been a while since I looked in on that story.
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:09 pm

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Yeah if G1 Jetfire was ever re-released, he'd be an instant buy. Probably 2 of him. I'm kinda shaking my head at these companies not realizing the potential profits and working together in exchange for splitting said profits.
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:11 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah if G1 Jetfire was ever re-released, he'd be an instant buy. Probably 2 of him. I'm kinda shaking my head at these companies not realizing the potential profits and working together in exchange for splitting said profits.
Takara and Bandai working together would be like if Pepsi and Coke teamed up to make a new drink together. :P
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