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News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 3:51 pm

JeffX wrote:No need to be a prick about things. I was wrong about Ironhide, but Ratchet was lying on the ground red and white.

I wasnt a "prick" at all.

You wrere wrong about Ironhide and Ratchet as well.

Did you not see the grey on his hand as Megatron walked by??

Prowl was on the ground black and white.

Again, the grey ares arent visable.

The grey would be seen on his face and horns, both facing down at the timne.

Let's say Brawn did survive his blast to the shoulder. Why would the Decepticons let him lay their injured? They would have killed him.

Right, like they did every other time they had the chance to kill fallen Autobots??

Do you know how many times a Dec epticons had the chance to kill a bot but didnt???

Wheeljack and Windcharger may not have been grey, but who says they weren't dying?

I never said they werent dying.

I said their deaths were never confirmed within the narritive.

And I'm 100% right.

Who says when Devastator threw the wall into the structure that they didn't die being smashed by rubble since they were unable to move?

Same as above.

We don't, we can only assume that since they never showed up again that they were dead.

That would be a poor assumtion.

The only thing we can assume is thast we dont know what hasppened to them.

Especially since they were all major characters in the previous seasons and never showed up again. Except in Carnage, but most people consider that episode to be a joke and whatever episode that Wheeljack showed up again.

Sorry, but Windcharge showed up in "Call of the Primitives".

I'd say just because a character who has big holes blown in them isn't dead because they aren't grey is a stretch.

Cant see how its a stretch.

We have seen plenty of TF's suffer all kinds of degree of damage.From being blowen to peaces, to being taken apart, to having holes in them....and plenty here known to have survived.

But every TF to have turned grey was also confirmed in dialog to have died.

Optimus ,turns grey and was confirmed in dialog to be dead.
Starscream, turns grey and was confirmed in dialog to be dead.
Prowl,turns grey and was confirmed in dialog to be dead.
Ratchet,turns grey and was confirmed in dialog to be dead.

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:44 am

Knock yourself silly guys.........

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:49 am

Confirmed graying......after permanent shutdown

Optimus Prime

Starscream

Ratchet, Prowl,Brawn and Ironhide(accepted that Megatron blasted his head off in the background prior to the shuttle entering Earth's atmosphere with the line "Such heroic nonsense..").....still iffy 'cause they technically didn't turn gray though indicated in their crypts that they indeed "died"

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:25 pm

fenrir72 wrote:Knock yourself silly guys.........

Funny how you left out the last shot seen of Ratchet where you can see a grey hand?

fenrir72 wrote:Confirmed graying......after permanent shutdown

Optimus Prime

Starscream

You left out Prowl and Ratchet as greying.

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:48 pm

That's why I said Prowl and Ratchet was iffy.........they didn't turn gray....

Ratchet in my image capture never turned gray, I tried for the heck of it to capture the so called hand turning gray.......nada, even his pants didn't turn gray....so for their deaths, I'm basing it on their "headstone" markings in the Autobot crypts.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:53 pm

fenrir72 wrote:That's why I said Prowl and Ratchet was iffy.........they didn't turn gray....

Dude, havent you been reading the post on this thread??

Your own post showed Prowl turning grey.Or did you not look at Prowls horns??

Or did you miss the post above where I linked the video or Ratchet turning grey???

Again I'm not trying to sound rude but I provided the link, the time frame and where to look, either you didnt really look or I dont know what to tell you.

here it is again....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJUrtxf2xOY
starting at time frame 8:01

watch Megatron feet very closely as he walks past the bodies of Ironhide and Ratchet.

Look at Ratchets arm and hand.

They have turned grey.

Ratchet in my image capture never turned gray, I tried for the heck of it to capture the so called hand turning gray.......nada, even his pants didn't turn gray....so for their deaths, I'm basing it on their "headstone" markings in the Autobot crypts.

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Then I'm sorry to tell you but you failed.

I'm tired of this....I'll post some stills in a few minutes.

2 shots of Ratchets grey hand and arm

A few shots of Prowl turning grey.
Pay close attention to the face and the horns on the top of his head.

As you can see, his face and horns turn grey.

Hopefully that brings this to an end.

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:18 pm

That's Ratchets' hand? Wow, I thought that was Prowl's all this time, .....good thing you got the image right. Anyway as I said previously.......iffy 'cause I couldn't get a decent image capture of the graying so I'm just following their headstone markers in the Autobot crypt scripts that the shuttle crew all died.

This issue is similar in a sense to whether Skywarp and Thundercracker turned gray too..........they were immediately formatted to Scourge/Cyclonus and yet get tombs too, while Starscream only head his legs left....

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:37 pm

fenrir72 wrote:That's Ratchets' hand? Wow,

Ratchet was closet to Ironhide, and you can see Ironhide near the grey hand.

I thought that was Prowl's all this time,

Prowl was on the grown with Brawn closer to where the Decepticons entered the ship.

.....good thing you got the image right.

I posted a vid clip you know.

This issue is similar in a sense to whether Skywarp and Thundercracker turned gray too..........they were immediately formatted to Scourge/Cyclonus and yet get tombs too, while Starscream only head his legs left....

On that not, I dont think either seaker turned grey.

And it wazs most likely Bombshell that became Cyclonus not Skywarp.

by **JeffX** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:06 am

Technically that's black, not grey.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:03 pm

JeffX wrote:Technically that's black, not grey.

You want to talk "Technically"??

Technically is dark grey with some black.

And the point is that his hand is no longer its normal color of red.
And his arm is no longer the bright white it normally was either.