The Energon Pub

[ZeroWolf]

To be fair, statistics state that some people are bound to like them.

[Shadowman]

To be fair, statistics state that some people are bound to like them.

And some people liked the Twilight movies. This does not mean it was a good idea to begin with. Though I agree with the opinion that the sunglasses wouldn't be so bad if they didn't look like regular old sunglasses, and looked more science-fiction-y.

[ZeroWolf]

To be fair, statistics state that some people are bound to like them.

And some people liked the Twilight movies. This does not mean it was a good idea to begin with. Though I agree with the opinion that the sunglasses wouldn't be so bad if they didn't look like regular old sunglasses, and looked more science-fiction-y.

I wasn't saying anything about it being a good idea or not I just pointed out that some people will like it.

I do wonder though if this will be a thing of changing it every season. Assuming that fan reaction hasn't already told them how we feel about the glasses

[Blast Cannon]

I didn't like the Lion Man. It felt like a cross over with Disney's Robin Hood's King Richard.

[Shadowman]

I didn't like the Lion Man. It felt like a cross over with Disney's Robin Hood's King Richard.

It reminded me just a bit too much of that Beauty and the Beast series with Ron Perlman.

[ZeroWolf]

I didn't like the Lion Man. It felt like a cross over with Disney's Robin Hood's King Richard.

It reminded me just a bit too much of that Beauty and the Beast series with Ron Perlman.

Yeah that's what was running through my head as well oh ,hat and the alien that romana stays with at the end of the e-space trilogy in original who

[Burn]

So Osgood is alive. Yay! And they've changed the rules for Zygons, at least they explained it.

Zygon Clara was pretty obvious. The notion though of 20 million Zygons living amongst humans is just a tad ... stupid. No one noticed an extra 20 million join the population? When the Earth is already supposedly over-populated?

Still ... pretty good episode. And I am liking these two part episodes.

[Shadowman]

So Osgood is alive. Yay! And they've changed the rules for Zygons, at least they explained it.

Zygon Clara was pretty obvious. The notion though of 20 million Zygons living amongst humans is just a tad ... stupid. No one noticed an extra 20 million join the population? When the Earth is already supposedly over-populated?

Still ... pretty good episode. And I am liking these two part episodes.

I'd call that a spoiler, but I figured that one out when they mentioned she'd be reappearing in a Zygon themed episode.

[RAR]

Some Youtubers seems to make a big deal about the Zygons being a metaphor for Muslim's integration in the UK or even the North African & Syrian Refugee crisis.

Lucky that not everyone noticed - (even with all the kidnap videos and I.S. style black flags all over it) - as it's sort of offensive if taken to the extreme to use it that way.

Also isn't making UNIT look quite that dumb just so the Doctor can ride to the rescue in the 2nd part a bit much.

Oh and it was nice of evil-Clara to give a warning like that as now the doc can just "Look" at the missile and scramble it with his sonic-glasses that was so sporting of her wasn't it.

"Doh"

The problem with Doctor Who is it so often fails my "What would Jack O'Neil do" test - and that is even without the rest of SG1 to help him - most of the issues that prop up on the show can so easily be fixed with a zat gun to the face.

3 shot kill bye bye missy. (as her teleporter might not activate in response to a stun blast) and we have no reason to think she has a personal shield so bullets would likely work too so long as you immediately burn the corpse or chop it up into very small pieces.

[ZeroWolf]

The problem with it using using the using the current migrant crisis as an inspiration was that this episode was written well before this current issue got to where it is now. So I think some are putting more into it then the writers intended to at the time.

As for the doctors warning, well it's not the first time bad guys like to point these things out.

Also why the s-g1 comparison?

[Burn]

I was a bit surprised by the "They'll think you're trying to steal your benefits" line.

But as ZW said, the story would have been written before the current refugee crisis. It's not uncommon for shows to suddenly parallel real world events. There's been a number of other shows that have had an episode delayed due to a real world event. The most recent being an episode of Mr Robot which had an episode delayed a week due to the on-air shooting of a news crew. The episode itself had a guy killing himself during a on-air interview. Pure coincidence, but it does happen.

[RAR]

It OK for Soldiers to do their best and fail - like Dutch's Unit in Predator - they were just outclassed but I never felt the lacked competence.

But when Soldier don't act in a way that is even the most basic procedure for entering a hostile environment - then I tend to pull out the old "What would SG1" do question.

UNIT are so poor at soldering now I feel sorry for them it's like something dropping a stray dog in a pit with a angry bear UNIT have about the same military effectiveness as an irate kitten.

Anyway "What would SG1 do" ?

1) Use Flash Bangs or Grenades when appropriate
2) Identify your enemies weakness and exploit it
3) Wear insulated clothing that protects against electrical based disintegration.
4) Use a Zat Gun
5) Try to negotiate a truce or remove the threat
6) Use technical means to identify shape changers
7) Enhance ID procedures - such requiring others to gain entrance to secure zones. using Mini-turrets to defend area

"What would Normal sensible Military do" ?

1) Shoot the impersonator to wound to see if they revert or bleed
2) Cover your corners exit points and don't bunch up
3) Use scouts or drones, secure entrances upon egress
4) Use breching charges, flares, batton charge rounds or flash bangs,
5) Us mini-drones to recon
6) Fall back if need too to regroup
7) Maintain communication with each other and headquarters if appropriate either by signal or radio

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So no I wasn't very impressed - its bad enough Cop shows make a monkey out of police procedure but I at least get why they do that - but making soldiers look needlessly incompetent just seems silly to me.

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Oh and well done Doctor save Osgood and yourself and let everyone else on the plane die horrible - why are you the hero again - remind me ?

[Shadowman]

A few of your points really stood out to me as being particularly insane.

4) Use a Zat Gun

Yes, use a Zat'nik'tel, I'm sure UNIT has loads of weapons from totally unrelated TV shows lying around.

5) Try to negotiate a truce or remove the threat

That's what they've been doing the entire episode.

6) Use technical means to identify shape changers

The Doctor tried to make one of those. It didn't work, all it could do is point out that there is a shape-shifter in the area, not who in particular was a shape-shifter. All it would tell UNIT is something they already know. If the Doctor couldn't get it right, I doubt UNIT could do any better.

"What would Normal sensible Military do" ?

1) Shoot the impersonator to wound to see if they revert or bleed

Yes, shoot someone who might actually just be a civilian. That's what a sensible person would do, assuming they're goddamn insane. Seriously, what part of "shoot everyone just to make sure they're not an enemy combatant" sounds like a sensible military tactic?

Incidentally, Zygons bleed like normal humans, and a flesh wound doesn't force them to revert.

Oh and well done Doctor save Osgood and yourself and let everyone else on the plane die horrible - why are you the hero again - remind me ?

You may be confusing the Doctor with Superman--the Doctor does not have the super-speed required to save more than a couple people from an about-to-explode plane.

[ZeroWolf]

There has been plenty, plenty of times in the past where the doctor had failed to save people including one adventure where everyone died. So really him saving someone is a good day.

[RAR]

I don't have a problem with him except for the laughter it elicits in me when people call him a 'hero' he's more of an Anti-Hero really.

I'm not sure the whole 2 parter thing is working for me or not - it seems to be leading to really weak 1st parts followed by 2nd parts that partially excuse the poor quality of the 1st part but still make you realise the whole thing would have been tighter and better if it was a single 1.hour 15 minute special instead of two 50 minute ones which makes them far to long - even more so for the kids attention spans.

If it's boring me something chronic at times; I dread to think what it does to the younger audience.

[ZeroWolf]

I wouldn't call him an anti hero though, he's the hero, an unsure hero at times but still a hero. As for run times I prefer these long draws, reminds me of the old serials, what it really comes down to of course is the writers ability.

[RAR]

That Davros / Missy episode paring could have had much of the missy stuff cut out and be way better for it.

As it stands it feels like less as it is less in the way of stories being told.

Its perhaps a way to save money on casting, sets and locations and such I guess to do things twice and often (but not always) in the same place or in the same way twice.

We need some new Writers and a new show runner for sure though.

[Burn]

And so ends the journey of Clara Oswald.

The episode was very ... boring. If anything, all it set out to do was to once again push the notion of how dangerous The Doctor is. How Clara's death is really his fault because he encouraged her to be more reckless like him, and how the whole situation came about because he chose to make Ashildir immortal.

And as the first actual companion death (Amy and Rory grew old) in the modern series, I felt nothing. I guess because I knew she was leaving, and it being Moffat, he'd try to tug at the heart strings a little bit.

Problem was, we've seen "the impossible girl" die before. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if they some how found a way for her to reappear down the track.

On the plus side, we saw a hint of The Valeyard. Not that I see them doing anything with that.

I did catch Peter Capaldi on The Graham Norton Show, when asked about is he has a new companion yet he was rather coy, Norton even suggested that Maise Williams is the new companion and he wouldn't give an answer. No doubt just a way to get people talking. Time we had a proper male companion, and not some tag along boyfriend/husband of a female companion.

[Insurgent]

I'd be happy for Rigsy to be the new companion to be honest.


Overall, I liked that episode. I'm surprised they got rid of Clara here, I suspect there is some way she's coming back before series end. Especially given a prior comment about the doctor (I forget the episode, but it was the end of a 2 parter).

Clara: You must have thought I was dead."
"Doctor: It was a terrible month."
"Month? It was only 5 minutes."
"I'll be the judge of time."



I hope Me doesn't become a companion. She's ok for a recurring villain, but I don't want to see her full time. I've really enjoyed this series. The 2 parter format gives the eipsodes and characters time to develop properly instead of rushing.

[ZeroWolf]

Not going to lie, I'm quite glad she's gone. As for the next companion I want someone new, or frank skinners character from last season. Let's face it though, the doctor will be trying to save her, which I believe may bring him to missy. Trying to find out how she saved Danny and that last season

[Burn]

That was quite possibly one of the most stupidest episodes I've ever seen.

So ... he ends up trapped in his own confession dial which is a secret portal to Galifrey but the only way to get to it is to punch himself through a barrier whilst living out the Time Lord equivalent of Groundhog Day.

ughhhhhhh

[Amelie]

Its not quite Groundhog day, though, is it? Every incarnation goes through exactly the same thing coming to the same conclusion. I loved it and the amospheric setting was perfect.

[Whifflefire]

I thought it was pretty good. The pacing was kind of slow at points, but I liked how he figured out how to get across the diamond barrier thing at the end, if only because it was actually kind of clever. But the ending itself I thought came rather out of nowhere...How did he end up on Gallifrey?

And, less importantly, was there nothing else he could have could of hit the wall with that would've been more effective?

[Burn]

But the ending itself I thought came rather out of nowhere...How did he end up on Gallifrey?

He went the long way around of course!

My understanding ... he was teleported into his own confession dial which had a secret doorway to Galifrey. Yeah, that sounds stupid.

[ZeroWolf]

Who would even put that in there? I mean if the time Lords put that in there it was a long shot that any one would get stuck in there to find it. There's probably a time Lord designer sat somewhere feeling very smug