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The Decepticons inhbiting Charr in season 3 has always raised a few questions in my mind, so I thought I'd share my views with my fellow Seibertronians and ask what you all think.
First, since we only ever see named characters on Charr what happened to the lesser Decepticons, like the generic seekers and the guys we see serving Shockwave in desertion fo the dinobots? Were they captured? Killed? Or did they just surrender and were allowed to return to civilian life? And what became of Shockwave? Finaly, why did the named Decepticons retreat to Charr in the first place?

My theory:
Some of the generic 'cons would've died in the battle against Unicron, afterwards the survivors were detained by the Autobots. Most of them, especially the lower ranks, would eventually return to civilan life, but leaders like Shockwave were put on trial for their crimes, and either imprisoned or sentenced to death. Since no rescue attempt is ever made for poor Shocky, I assume that he was executed. As for the named 'cons, since they are the ones that hang around with Megatron, I've always thought of them as being his "elite guard" for them civilian life was not an option, if they returned they would be executed like Shockwave. This left them with no other choice but to retreat to a burned out world, where they would continue to resist the Autobots untill a day came when they could attempt to retake Cybertron.

So, what do you all think?

Well, it's always been said that Shockwave was killed when Unicron attacked Cybertron in TFTM. As for some of the other Decepticons, they were also killed in the movie, yet still appeared in Season 3. (This means the Coneheads) Other Decepticons who may have been captured were most likely executed or granted amnesty depending on their status as a Deceoticon & threat if they were released by Autobot forces. I speculate that most were executed, & very few granted amnesty. But that's just my oppinion. As for ending up on Charr, I would say that they went to the first planet they could locate after retreating from Cybertron, or they just went a little farther so the Autobots coudln't locate them. It is also possible that they were low on energy after the battle w/Unicron & just crash0landed on Charr. There are many explanations, & we may never know why they chose Charr of all places.

Shockwave died? NOOO!

Brushing that asside, I think the fact that Charr was uninhabited may have been a factor in its selection, as the Decepticons were severely reduced in numbers and leaderless, reducing their capability (and probably will) to attempt conquest of an inhabited world.

They all vanished into a giant plothole

Stormwolf wrote:They all vanished into a giant plothole

A fate worse than death, traped in an endless limbo with nothing but prime's trailer and an army of animation errors for company.

Unchrasimatic wrote:Shockwave died? NOOO!

Brushing that asside, I think the fact that Charr was uninhabited may have been a factor in its selection, as the Decepticons were severely reduced in numbers and leaderless, reducing their capability (and probably will) to attempt conquest of an inhabited world.

Actually, if I remember right, it was rumored that one of the plots during Season 4 of Transformers would have had Shockwave coming back, with Starscream and Blitzwing, as kind of a third party. And at the very least, Shockwave appeared as a "generic" somewhere during Five Faces of Darkness. It was just after the Quints formed an alliance with the Decepticons. I saw a screencap of it once, but there's none on site.

As for some of the other Decepticons, they were also killed in the movie, yet still appeared in Season 3. (This means the Coneheads)

I remember a rant a few years ago when one poster explained in detail that those weren't the coneheads eaten by Unicron, just some generic seekers. Whether they were meant to be the coneheads is another matter entirely.

I don't have a theory on where the generics went, or exactly why the 'Cons went to Char(yet), but I imagine it's cause they had no leader, Cyclonus and the Sweeps were probably looking for Galvatron, and they suffered heavier casualties than the Autobots did, so they couldn't put up much of a resistance against the Autobots. Instead, they fled to bide there time.

Hmm, another related matter: was Charr burned out when they claimed the planet, or did most of the generics(who may not have been as hardy as the named 'Cons) mostly get wiped out in a futile struggle to reclaim Cybertron? It's possible the planet was teeming with life, but with few real high-ranking officers to moniter and ration the supplies they had at their disposal, a lot of it went to waste.

Decepticlone Soundwave wrote:Well, it's always been said that Shockwave was killed when Unicron attacked Cybertron in TFTM. As for some of the other Decepticons, they were also killed in the movie, yet still appeared in Season 3. (This means the Coneheads) Other Decepticons who may have been captured were most likely executed or granted amnesty depending on their status as a Deceoticon & threat if they were released by Autobot forces. I speculate that most were executed, & very few granted amnesty. But that's just my oppinion. As for ending up on Charr, I would say that they went to the first planet they could locate after retreating from Cybertron, or they just went a little farther so the Autobots coudln't locate them. It is also possible that they were low on energy after the battle w/Unicron & just crash0landed on Charr. There are many explanations, & we may never know why they chose Charr of all places.

only one problem with this. going by toon/movie continuity (ya theres some there, just not much)

the autobots would never do executions, goes against everything they stood for, except maybe grimlock and clifjumper.

Immortal Starscream wrote:

Decepticlone Soundwave wrote:Well, it's always been said that Shockwave was killed when Unicron attacked Cybertron in TFTM. As for some of the other Decepticons, they were also killed in the movie, yet still appeared in Season 3. (This means the Coneheads) Other Decepticons who may have been captured were most likely executed or granted amnesty depending on their status as a Deceoticon & threat if they were released by Autobot forces. I speculate that most were executed, & very few granted amnesty. But that's just my oppinion. As for ending up on Charr, I would say that they went to the first planet they could locate after retreating from Cybertron, or they just went a little farther so the Autobots coudln't locate them. It is also possible that they were low on energy after the battle w/Unicron & just crash0landed on Charr. There are many explanations, & we may never know why they chose Charr of all places.

only one problem with this. going by toon/movie continuity (ya theres some there, just not much)

the autobots would never do executions, goes against everything they stood for, except maybe grimlock and clifjumper.

Thats just what they tell you when the cameras are on. As soon as the film crew leaves at the end of each episode...

I think that since the Decepticons probably thought Galvatron was dead after Unicron blew up and the Autobots retook Cybertron that many of them dispersed throughout the universe on their own agendas. Sort of in the vein that Swindle was selling Cybetronian technology and weapons apparently on his own. (Ultra Magnus Spotlight).

If Shockwave died, how did he create Sixshot?

If Shockwave died, how did he create Sixshot?

He didn't. At least not in the toon. Sixshot just 'appeared from nowhere' like all the others in Rebirth. Shockwave was suppossed to die when Unicron crushed the command tower he was in, but the scenes were edited into the movie in the reverse order (like the third moon of Cybertron that appears when Unicron has finished with the other two).

The generic seekers were replaced by generic sweeps.

They werent the coneheads that got eaten by Unicron because there's a Starscream flying around in that shot. And he's already toasted like a marshmellow.

I reckon they went to Charr because they had set up an outpost there many years ago during the early stages of the war (similar to the Autobots Moonbases in the movie). Once Cybertron was conquered, they abandoned it and it fell into disarray. They simply retreated back there because they knew the bots had never found it, while the fully powered bots were able to launch an offensive against the extremely underpowered cons.

Duke of Luns wrote:

Unchrasimatic wrote: Actually, if I remember right, it was rumored that one of the plots during Season 4 of Transformers would have had Shockwave coming back, with Starscream and Blitzwing, as kind of a third party. And at the very least, Shockwave appeared as a "generic" somewhere during Five Faces of Darkness. It was just after the Quints formed an alliance with the Decepticons. I saw a screencap of it once, but there's none on site.

I think this was just wishful fan thinking. There's no commercial logic for Hasbro to push three toys/characters that were no longer in production, and the cartoon writers pretty much proved they wouldn't have brought back characters like that for no real reason.

Magnus' Mate wrote:

Duke of Luns wrote:

Unchrasimatic wrote: Actually, if I remember right, it was rumored that one of the plots during Season 4 of Transformers would have had Shockwave coming back, with Starscream and Blitzwing, as kind of a third party. And at the very least, Shockwave appeared as a "generic" somewhere during Five Faces of Darkness. It was just after the Quints formed an alliance with the Decepticons. I saw a screencap of it once, but there's none on site.

I think this was just wishful fan thinking. There's no commercial logic for Hasbro to push three toys/characters that were no longer in production, and the cartoon writers pretty much proved they wouldn't have brought back characters like that for no real reason.

Well, Starscream was popular enough to bring back for two episodes during Season 3, but of course, in Starscream's Ghost, the original script called for Blitzwing to be in the episode, but was instead replaced by Octane. And they also did bring back several other characters from Season 2(Cosmos, Omega Supreme, Seaspray, Warpath, the Coneheads, etc.) for small cameos in Season 3, and I think they would have been off the shelf by then.

Speaking of pushing characters, anyone know if certain figures in Japan had slightly longer shelf-lives? This conversation reminds me that all six Triple Chagers(both Autobot and Decepticons) were actually pretty prominent in early episodes of Headmasters, fighting each other of course. And even though Blaster and Soundwave recieved repaints, all of their tapes(including Buzzsaw) also got some pretty favorable screentime. Then there's Metroplex, Trypticon getting a lot of screentime, despite the fact that the new city-formers were leading the Autobots and Decepticons at that time. Finally, the combiners were all very heavily pushed, even Devastator, who should have been off the shelves a long time ago.

Sorry if I went too off-topic.