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Cyberstrike wrote:Another self-righteous evil liberal conservative nutball that wants to tell people how to live, how to raise their kids, what religion to believe in, how to have sex, and waste my time with this crap. F*** YOU SUSAN LINN!

Don't Put the conservatives in this.
We generally don't care about what businesses do as long as it's legal.
This is one of those anti business mindsets,
I happen to like McDonalds, and now they wanna take the Happy out of Meals in California (one of the most Liberal States in the US, No offense to the Normal Californians), because it makes kids fat.
Back to Whiny Parent Lady
If you want to Whine about companies selling toys, Look at disney They own a toy manufacturer now (They bought marvel, and marvel Owned a toy company), and several TV channels (ABC, ESPN, Disney channel, Disney XD, etc), Don't forget their ownership of Marvel, and Pixar. They also own companies that make videogames.
Toy story was about toys.
One big Commercial.
Attack Disney if you want to cry, They owned Power rangers for a while too.
Now they own the XMen, and Captain America.
That's nationalistic, and gives kids the Idea that Violence is the solution to their problems.
Seriously though, Do some Real Parenting.

Caelus wrote:Oh... right...

Skyfire77 wrote:Campaign for a Commercial-Free Childhood - Translation: "Mummy and Daddy didn't buy me what I wanted when I was growing up, so I'm going to take it out on all of you!".

Cyberstrike wrote:Another self-righteous evil liberal conservative nutball that wants to tell people how to live, how to raise their kids, what religion to believe in, how to have sex, and waste my time with this crap. F*** YOU

AutobotTrainer wrote:

Cobalt Prime wrote:Terrific. Another liberal whacko... Of course today's popular weak-kneed parenting practices don't help where children are allowed to scream their heads off in public if they want something they saw on TV and parents are too frightened of Big Brother to deliver a well deserved smack to restore order...

BRAVO sir, BRAVO. Nicely said.

That's why I stopped coming here.

I basically agree with all those points, especially the last one, lol.


Really, Caelus??
Are those comments really that bad? With all due respect (to a MOD, I mean!) ...

Aren't you being a litte hypersensitive?

atomic1fire wrote:

Cyberstrike wrote:Another self-righteous evil liberal conservative nutball that wants to tell people how to live, how to raise their kids, what religion to believe in, how to have sex, and waste my time with this crap. F*** YOU SUSAN LINN!

Don't Put the conservatives in this.
We generally don't care about what businesses do as long as it's legal.
This is one of those anti business mindsets,
I happen to like McDonalds, and now they wanna take the Happy out of Meals in California (one of the most Liberal States in the US, No offense to the Normal Californians), because it makes kids fat.

I frankly think this woman is a liberal that has turned into a conservative by going so extreme.

Any way I no love for extreme Liberals, and I have zero tolerance of standard conservatives anymore, they are all a bunch of greedy Bible thumbing, homophobic racist idiots that want to turn America into a one big slave labor camp for big business and destroy the world through pollution so they can worship the blood money that they get.

The modern American conservative ideology is one thing and one thing only: EVIL. Pure 100% evil.

Yea, right. Children are the only ones affected by commercials. I'm sure both Toyota and Ford's demographics include 10- to 13-year-olds and that the Miller company had pre-pubesent kids in mind.
I think that Hasbro starting their own channel is a smart financial move.
I applaude you, Hasbro!

...So what many of you are saying is that if a voice appears from within the general public, warning that your kids are being USED as advertisement sponges in an advert concentrated station, the appropriate response is to tell the kids that the advertisements are their friends and the warnings are evil? Isn't there a single gram of truth in this chicks' words and stance? Or is she the BoogeySnatcher, out to destroy your kids, and Hasbro/Disney is the Valiant last-hope defender keeping them safe from her. Weren't the other guys gonna send your kids to wars instead?

So if it was still legal for every toy sports car to have the advertisements of cigarettes on them as per the originals did, that's okay too, right? And if you had TFs with Marlboro stickers on 'em right now, and this chick complained right now, all your posts would say she's evil and wants only to cause trouble to your kids?

Because, some evil campaigners are telling your kids how to grow up,eat,drink,screw,sh*t,dress,walk,talk,think and become robot slaves but the commercials aren't?

Isn't it better for a monopoly to have competition rather than remain a monopoly,come what may anyway?

And yes, take your kids outside, its' not that hard. The world is out there for free.

People who preach intolerance shouldn't pretend to be politically correct in their other posts,man!

(but Shhhh, let's not say anything that upsets Hasbro, because they might get angry and cut us off from our ADDICTION, just to show us who's boss and who's house bitch).

For the record, I don't know who this chick is,and I don't care about her, and I don't live in the states-NOR have I expressed any notion about how to educate your kids: I've tried to remain OBJECTIVE and put out a few questions that I believe are relevent because I find the whole vibe in this thread a little worrying.

So here I am -another outside voice.Am I evil too?

Autobot Smoketreader wrote:A lot.

Maybe people are just pointing out that being a good parent involves taking responsibility for what your child turns out like instead of blaming others when they grow up to be little bastards. Maybe if she'd turned off her tv once in a while instead of letting it raise her kids for her whilst she was out campaigning against whatever percieved wrongs against society were popular that week her kids wouldn't be spoiled brats.

Autobot Smoketreader wrote:...So what many of you are saying is that if a voice appears from within the general public, warning that your kids are being USED as advertisement sponges in an advert concentrated station, the appropriate response is to tell the kids that the advertisements are their friends and the warnings are evil? Isn't there a single gram of truth in this chicks' words and stance? Or is she the BoogeySnatcher, out to destroy your kids, and Hasbro/Disney is the Valiant last-hope defender keeping them safe from her. Weren't the other guys gonna send your kids to wars instead?

[Post truncated for sake of brevity. No offense, Smoketreader]

So here I am -another outside voice.Am I evil too?

I don't think the issue people have is intolerance, I think it has more to do with avoiding responsibility. They are accusing this woman of yelling "Blame Canada".

Is certain advertising targeted towards kids? Working on a degree in commercial film, I'd say the answer is a solid "Yes". There's no denying that a lot of shows and advertisements aimed at kids are to move product. If you were to complain about this, you'd be complaining about Capitalism in general. Its not really a call on "Liberals" or "Conservatives" (I thought the original poster of that oxymoron was making a strawman joke).

The real issue here is that people seem to have a habit of blaming the media for how their kids turn out. If the parents took the time to see what kinds of things their kids watched (Which is no simple task in a family situation) they'd understand it better. Heck, I once made an argument against a bible-thumper regarding how a show(Bakugan, a show clearly made to sell product) which was being demonized could be used as a metaphor for the bible, down to the creation story as well as the fact that the kids really didn't give a hoot for any of the supposedly "demonic" things the article he was quoting mentioned and in fact was a strawman article. He actually took my argument into consideration.

My belief is that people need to get involved more in the media their kids watch. I once found a website called "The first-reform church of Spongebob" which, while parodical in nature, presented the shows as some kind of gospel and actually asked questions about the real life lessons the episodes could teach. Again, yes, a lot of these shows are intended to sell product, but if the media itself was analyzed more closely, parents could find a wealth of opportunities to teach kids life lessons in a show that is written well enough.

Case-in-point: TFA episode "This Is Why I Hate Machines". While Captain Fanzone constantly mentioned how much he hated machines (hence the episode title), he put aside his hatred of them in order to help Ratchet whenever he could. Thus, prejudice should be put aside when things need to get done and shouldn't affect your judgement. That's a nice lesson, isn't it? And all wrapped into a 22-minute toy commercial. It doesn't even try to promote the idea of eliminating prejudice, just noting that any prejudice you might have shouldn't affect your judgment, as Fanzone still hates machines by the end of the escapade. Pretty deep, if you ask me.

The Legend wrote:

Autobot Smoketreader wrote:A lot.

Maybe people are just pointing out that being a good parent involves taking responsibility for what your child turns out like instead of blaming others when they grow up to be little bastards. Maybe if she'd turned off her tv once in a while instead of letting it raise her kids for her whilst she was out campaigning against whatever percieved wrongs against society were popular that week her kids wouldn't be spoiled brats.

Like I say, I don't know anything about this chick. I don't live in the states, so I have to assume my whole view of this is cushioned-I can therefore only be objective: it doesn't effect me directly and whoever posts with anger against her has a reason to, but I stand by what I said:I know how easily I can be both wrong and right.

If I had two groups aiming at my kids to feed themselves, I'd prefer to have them fight one another.In the interim I'd teach my kids about both sides stance as wholesomely as I have the capability to do so. The fact that both sides are fighting will provide me with 'typical good' and 'typical bad' examples of their predisposition to hold up to the kids to consider.Anything less is deliberately inflicted slavery.

What I want for my kids, I want for all their world that they have to clean up after I'm gone,which means it's what I want for everyones' kids.

That's as far as I want to get involved in this.That's all I believe I have to offer. Do whatever you want with it.I prefer to be someone who cared enough to post, no matter how uneducated I am about the reality of what she is trying to do to your families via alterior motive.

Respectfully.
Smoke.

Autobot Smoketreader wrote: Like I say, I don't know anything about this chick. I don't live in the states, so I have to assume my whole view of this is cushioned-I can therefore only be objective: it doesn't effect me directly and whoever posts with anger against her has a reason to, but I stand by what I said:I know how easily I can be both wrong and right.

I don't have any vested interest in her either but if someone is posting 'angrily' I would take it as frustration. Frustration that ignorant, short sighted people like her are pressuring governments in to implimenting frivilous laws and legislation that makes a mockery of their legal system and society by restricting the freedom of others via censorship.

The Legend wrote:

Autobot Smoketreader wrote: Like I say, I don't know anything about this chick. I don't live in the states, so I have to assume my whole view of this is cushioned-I can therefore only be objective: it doesn't effect me directly and whoever posts with anger against her has a reason to, but I stand by what I said:I know how easily I can be both wrong and right.

I don't have any vested interest in her either but if someone is posting 'angrily' I would take it as frustration. Frustration that ignorant, short sighted people like her are pressuring governments in to implimenting frivilous laws and legislation that makes a mockery of their legal system and society by restricting the freedom of others via censorship.

Thank you for this. I understand a little better now.

The Legend wrote:

Autobot Smoketreader wrote: Like I say, I don't know anything about this chick. I don't live in the states, so I have to assume my whole view of this is cushioned-I can therefore only be objective: it doesn't effect me directly and whoever posts with anger against her has a reason to, but I stand by what I said:I know how easily I can be both wrong and right.

I don't have any vested interest in her either but if someone is posting 'angrily' I would take it as frustration. Frustration that ignorant, short sighted people like her are pressuring governments in to implimenting frivilous laws and legislation that makes a mockery of their legal system and society by restricting the freedom of others via censorship.

Word.

If you think tv and/or ads are warping your children, turn the damn thing off and tell them to go outside and play; if you want to convince other parents to do the same, fine. Kids could use a little more outside time anyway, maybe then they'd trim off some pounds (Full disclosure: I really could have used this advise growing up, and I'm paying for it now). What you do in your house is none of my business, I only ask the same courtesy from others.