The Energon Pub

[njb902]

The warship was right there as well, and we never really learned all that she was capable of.

[Henry921]

In any case, Cliff was clearly put in a situation that would leave him in an unfair disadvantage, rather than him just being a "pansy" (which I'd find hard to believe, considering his "one bot army" reputation that they allude to).

Indeed, and as others have said, if there's anything we know about being caught in the explosion of RAW ENERGON, it's that it ends poorly for those in the blast radius.

Really now...

[Dead Metal]

I was just re-watching the fight between Wheeljack and Hardshell and noticed something. HArdshell (or well the Prime Insecticon design in general) felt kinda familiar, as if I'd seen in somewhere before Prime came out.
And I just realized what, looking at the proportions, general design and the limbs, it kinda looks like Animated Lockdown's early four-armed freak design.
http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.de/2008/0 ... kdown.html

The Insecticon design kinda looks like a more unified and streamlined version of this.

[Sabrblade]

I don't see it.

[Dead Metal]

It has more to do with the stature, the broad shoulders, the second set of freaky arms, the large brawler main arms, the neck and head, plus both are designed to be pretty angular.

Note how I didn't state that the designs are identical, only that the one reminded me of the other.

[Chandler Prime 1]

So shouldnt we getting season 3 on netflix Tommrow since it will have been month since deadlock aired ? I though i had read were netflix said it would be a month after the final air date of the series.

[TurboMMaster]

That'd be pretty petty and stagnant for a character as noble and intelligent as Predaking to remain filled with such bitterness that would keep him from growing as a character. Megatron is dead, and he knows the Autobots were just used as pawns to destroy the Predacons by Megs, so Predaking has no one to justifiably direct his hatred at. If he doesn't just suck it up and move on, that's pretty pathetic of him.

Or just, Predaking discover that Unicron is responsible for Predacons extinction in first place (I' know i reapt my self, but it's kinda simple and logical idea)

And who knows, once Unicron is defeated by the the movie's conclusion, Megs could very well come back to life in final scene before the closing credits.

I would rather wolud like to see Optimus ultimate sacrifice to stop Unicron for good. After seazon 3, both leaders dead and new generations of Cybertrionian taking over Cybertron would be nice conclusions. After all, technically, Prime is a war criminal as well (he once destroyed Omega Lock, and he won't play any part in Cybertron reborn) as longas he lives, as long permanent truce with Decepticons could be problematic.


Don't forgot Starscream wanna lead all Decepticons, and he promise to avenge Megatron. If he end working with Autobots, he may have problem with unite Cons around him.

[VirusCarnage]

That'd be pretty petty and stagnant for a character as noble and intelligent as Predaking to remain filled with such bitterness that would keep him from growing as a character. Megatron is dead, and he knows the Autobots were just used as pawns to destroy the Predacons by Megs, so Predaking has no one to justifiably direct his hatred at. If he doesn't just suck it up and move on, that's pretty pathetic of him.

Or just, Predaking discover that Unicron is responsible for Predacons extinction in first place (I' know i reapt my self, but it's kinda simple and logical idea)

Or maybe Predaking only agrees to help the bots and cons because his home world is in great danger. Later on he discovers that the Predacons were Unicron's counter to the 13, but when Unicron was destroyed they were destroyed, and that was the great cataclysm Shockwave referred to in 'Evolution.' And they end up fight Predaking and the other two Predacons on top of Megacron (Yes that's what I'm calling him), and the terrorcons.

[Shadowman]

I would rather wolud like to see Optimus ultimate sacrifice to stop Unicron for good.

Pretty sure he's already tried that one.

After all, technically, Prime is a war criminal as well (he once destroyed Omega Lock, and he won't play any part in Cybertron reborn)

Um...what? Dude, that's not even remotely close to a war crime. He stalled the restoration of Cybertron (According to the Core itself, it was going to restore itself eventually anyway) to prevent the deaths of seven billion humans. That's the opposite of a war crime.

as longas he lives, as long permanent truce with Decepticons could be problematic.

As long as Starscream, Shockwave, and Soundwave exist, peace is problematic. You might remember that when Megatron seemed to die at the end of Darkness Rising, they didn't just up and quit.

Don't forgot Starscream wanna lead all Decepticons, and he promise to avenge Megatron. If he end working with Autobots, he may have problem with unite Cons around him.

He's going to have a problem uniting the Decepticons because he's Starscream.

[TurboMMaster]

I would rather wolud like to see Optimus ultimate sacrifice to stop Unicron for good.

Pretty sure he's already tried that one.

But first time, he could'nt destroy Unicron directly, cause it would ruined Earth, and hes habitans as well. Now he face oportunity to get rid of Unicron without that kind of sacrifice. And he would gladly trade hes own life for freedom of Universe. Also ,he could sacrifice himself to aweken Primus, since killing the dark God could be... Problematic.

Um...what? Dude, that's not even remotely close to a war crime. He stalled the restoration of Cybertron (According to the Core itself, it was going to restore itself eventually anyway) to prevent the deaths of seven billion humans. That's the opposite of a war crime.

And what good Cybertronians aquired thanks to hes doing?

As long as Starscream, Shockwave, and Soundwave exist, peace is problematic. You might remember that when Megatron seemed to die at the end of Darkness Rising, they didn't just up and quit.

Because Decepticons consider Prime as a main cause of all this problems. Decepticons propably never consider Optimus as as a rigtfull leader of Cyberteron. And this is were new generations came in...

Don't forgot Starscream wanna lead all Decepticons, and he promise to avenge Megatron. If he end working with Autobots, he may have problem with unite Cons around him.

He's going to have a problem uniting the Decepticons because he's Starscream.[/quote] Yet who could be consider as a Megatron succesor more than him? Shockwave propably would gladly erase all free will and turn just reborn Cybertron into one big Super Computer.

[Sabrblade]

And what good Cybertronians aquired thanks to hes doing?

They didn't lose anything either. The human race was at stake, the Cybertronian race was not, being just the same as it had been for thousands of years.

Yet who could be consider as a Megatron succesor more than him? Shockwave propably would gladly erase all free will and turn just reborn Cybertron into one big Super Computer.

Shockwave was Megatron's original second-in-command before Starscream was. Megs wouldn't have trusted Shockwave as much as he did if he didn't think Shockwave was worthy of it. Shockwave follows logic to the letter. He's only looking out for what's best for Cybertron, rather than personal glory or pleasure.

[TurboMMaster]

I ques destroing free will and Transformers emotional side (both caused the Fall of Cbertron) and replace it with cold-blood calculating perfection is'nt logical?

Besides, as we can see in Deadlock, Shockwave was'nt so loyal to Megatron, in fact, I think he could'nt care less about Megatron's demise. I belive that Shock works for Megs only because he needs Megatrons resorces, and since emotional Megatron failed, it's logical to see new way.

[Sabrblade]

I ques destroing free will and Transformers emotional side (both caused the Fall of Cbertron) and replace it with cold-blood calculating perfection is'nt logical?

Besides, as we can see in Deadlock, Shockwave was'nt so loyal to Megatron, in fact, I think he could'nt care less about Megatron's demise. I belive that Shock works for Megs only because he needs Megatrons resorces, and since emotional Megatron failed, it's logical to see new way.

What's with the missing letters?

[Shadowman]

I would rather wolud like to see Optimus ultimate sacrifice to stop Unicron for good.

Pretty sure he's already tried that one.

But first time, he could'nt destroy Unicron directly, cause it would ruined Earth, and hes habitans as well. Now he face oportunity to get rid of Unicron without that kind of sacrifice. And he would gladly trade hes own life for freedom of Universe. Also ,he could sacrifice himself to aweken Primus, since killing the dark God could be... Problematic.

Marvel G1 comics, he actually did sacrifice himself to destroy Unicron. But, considering how Unicron works, it clearly didn't end him for good. (Funny thing about Unicron...)

Um...what? Dude, that's not even remotely close to a war crime. He stalled the restoration of Cybertron (According to the Core itself, it was going to restore itself eventually anyway) to prevent the deaths of seven billion humans. That's the opposite of a war crime.

And what good Cybertronians aquired thanks to hes doing?

Ratchet was upset for all of five minutes, but otherwise none of the Autobots blamed him, and they're the only ones who could be considered "good" Cybertronians.

As long as Starscream, Shockwave, and Soundwave exist, peace is problematic. You might remember that when Megatron seemed to die at the end of Darkness Rising, they didn't just up and quit.

Because Decepticons consider Prime as a main cause of all this problems. Decepticons propably never consider Optimus as as a rigtfull leader of Cyberteron. And this is were new generations came in...

Then why didn't the war end when they had Orion Pax on the Nemesis? Optimus was, effectively, gone and yet Megatron continued on as if nothing had really changed.

Don't forgot Starscream wanna lead all Decepticons, and he promise to avenge Megatron. If he end working with Autobots, he may have problem with unite Cons around him.

He's going to have a problem uniting the Decepticons because he's Starscream.

Yet who could be consider as a Megatron succesor more than him? Shockwave propably would gladly erase all free will and turn just reborn Cybertron into one big Super Computer.

And yet, when Starscream was in command, no one really seemed to care. Not to mention how outstandingly awful he is when in command. After Megatron was killed by Metroplex, he very nearly lost the war, depleting tons of resources on a number of failed operations. never mind that as long as Soundwave is active, Starscream can never truly be in charge since Soundwave has been shown going far out of his way to bring Megatron back online.

Optimus was never the problem, the problem rests entirely with the Decepticons.

[Dead Metal]

I noticed something, Bumblebee didn't die before he fell into the Cybermatter. His eyes switched off, sure, but if you look at his chest wound, you can see his spark, still glowing. So he was still alive when he touched down into the cyberbatter and got cyberformed or whatever.

[Sabrblade]

I noticed something, Bumblebee didn't die before he fell into the Cybermatter. His eyes switched off, sure, but if you look at his chest wound, you can see his spark, still glowing. So he was still alive when he touched down into the cyberbatter and got cyberformed or whatever.

Bingo!

[Dead Metal]

I noticed something, Bumblebee didn't die before he fell into the Cybermatter. His eyes switched off, sure, but if you look at his chest wound, you can see his spark, still glowing. So he was still alive when he touched down into the cyberbatter and got cyberformed or whatever.

Bingo!

This can explain how Optimus was brought back and possibly why Megatron can come back. The eyes shutting down are not an indicator for them being dead, they just shut off before they die, possibly to conserve energy to preserve their Spark, kind alike the human body will start shutting down less important organs and body parts before finally dying.

[Sabrblade]

Basically, like a "pre-death stasis lock".

[Henry921]

Basically, like a "pre-death stasis lock".

It's a bit odd how this series has eschewed stasis lock; it happened all the time in Beast Wars.

Though to be fair that show didn't have a huge supply of Vehicon troopers to senselessly slaughter in the name of imposing an outdated and corrupt regimen the Autobot cause.

[TurboMMaster]

Actually, it was kinda obvious that BBB will return. If we will have luck, maybe some Autobots die in Predacon Rising.

I have a question about Movie promo, that can be find on Youtube. Is that official? Because Megatron clearly speaks there, yet I think it would be akwkward if he survived beign stabbed right into spark and fall from orbit. That would be third fake death in series, and that would be... kinda weird.

[Sabrblade]

I have a question about Movie promo, that can be find on Youtube. Is that official? Because Megatron clearly speaks there, yet I think it would be akwkward if he survived beign stabbed right into spark and fall from orbit. That would be third fake death in series, and that would be... kinda weird.

Well, all the footage is new, having not appeared in previous episodes.

As for Megatron speaking, that scene looked like it took place not in the physical world, but on some kind of mental plane with Unicron's spirit confronting the dying mind of Megatron and striking a deal with him before Unicron takes possession of Megatron's body.

[Dead Metal]

I have a question about Movie promo, that can be find on Youtube. Is that official? Because Megatron clearly speaks there, yet I think it would be akwkward if he survived beign stabbed right into spark and fall from orbit. That would be third fake death in series, and that would be... kinda weird.

Well, all the footage is new, having not appeared in previous episodes.

As for Megatron speaking, that scene looked like it took place not in the physical world, but on some kind of mental plane with Unicron's spirit confronting the dying mind of Megatron and striking a deal with him before Unicron takes possession of Megatron's body.

Which is kinda obvious if you listen to what is said:
Megatron: "Do I yet live?"
Unicron: "Only to serve me"

So he didn't survive, per se, it's just Unicron offering him a deal he just can't refuse while dying.

[TurboMMaster]

As for Megatron speaking, that scene looked like it took place not in the physical world, but on some kind of mental plane with Unicron's spirit confronting the dying mind of Megatron and striking a deal with him before Unicron takes possession of Megatron's body.

He also speaks later,"I know what I now require, my Legion.", I don't think Unicron would use Megatron's voice if he would have fully control over Megatron's body.

[Sabrblade]

As for Megatron speaking, that scene looked like it took place not in the physical world, but on some kind of mental plane with Unicron's spirit confronting the dying mind of Megatron and striking a deal with him before Unicron takes possession of Megatron's body.

He also speaks later,"I know what I now require, my Legion.", I don't think Unicron would use Megatron's voice if he would have fully control over Megatron's body.

How do you know he doesn't speak that line right before he and Unicron finalize their deal? From the sound of that line, it was spoken with the same pitch and feel of his "Do I yet live?" line.

[Shadowman]

Predacons Rising got leaked. I won't link to it since I'm not sure if that's against the rules or not, but it's on Youtube and I'm watching it right now.