The Energon Pub

Pat Lee has a lot of enemies amongst the Transformers fan community due to the closure of Dreamwave and all the crap that went down. Now we've lost all the awesome stories that were coming out of Dreamwave, and not yet complete. Sure, IDW has good stories, but it'd be nice to see Dreamwave's stuff go back into print.

Damolisher wrote:Pat Lee has a lot of enemies amongst the Transformers fan community due to the closure of Dreamwave and all the crap that went down. Now we've lost all the awesome stories that were coming out of Dreamwave, and not yet complete. Sure, IDW has good stories, but it'd be nice to see Dreamwave's stuff go back into print.

and not to mention the dull surprise XD http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Dull_surprise

Dayton3 wrote:For me, I dislike the concept of Unicron. A planet sized robot to me seems way over the top. City size robots like Metroplex, Fortress Maximus, Tripticon and Scorponok seem to be about the largest reasonable.

Unicron (god version) could be like Galactus in that he appears differently to each race.

Myriagon wrote:G1 super-fans
BW haters
any-other-haters-except-for-RTM-DUB-haters (rofl, wally!)

Add "blind Character hate" and we have agree-ance.

They never made a Straxus figure.

Fang Wolf wrote:

Myriagon wrote:G1 super-fans
BW haters
any-other-haters-except-for-RTM-DUB-haters (rofl, wally!)

Add "blind Character hate" and we have agree-ance.

What's wrong with hatin wheelie?

Primus. The Quintesson origin story was much more interesting.

Sparks, for the same reason. I just find the "I, robot" idea of the mechanical evolving to the point where it is living more interesting than "Primus made us".

Fans of later TF series that discriminate against fans of the original series......& particularly those who use the term "Geewuner" as an excuse to ignore anybody with an opinion that G1 might have been better in any way, wether it be storytelling, character development, design, or variety than any other TF continuity, including the new movie.

the Japanese use of the "master" toylines to use as an excuse to make the bigger robots simply a mobile suit to be used by the smaller robot/human, just like every other japanese giant robot show. I actually liked the idea of 2 characters teaming up like they did in G1 season 4.

Speaking of which....the Japanese cartoons. They suck my IQ away when I watch them, wether it be the stock transformations, the 1-on-1 "you will face me, while my commrades cheer me on, & I will call it teamwork" melee battles, or the constant protect the environment themes, or the bad guys being bad just for the sake of being bad & being stupid while doing it.

Prime with a mouth. They're frikin' robots. they don't have to eat he same way we do, nor do they have to talk by moving lips or using a breathing apparatus & resonator....just a speaker, & that could be anywhere, even in their ass.
However, I believe this one is more a problem with society's inherent need to uncover anything that appears to be hidden. Look at pro wrestling & how they always seem to be having matches where the loser has to take his mask off for the first time, or comics that always make a big deal about revealing secret identities by removing costumes.....

Ive hated how they have made the kids... like, TOO SMART? perhaps TOO MATURE?

I mean there are episodes in Energon where they ask KICKER for advice about the transformers?!

WTFFFFFFFFFFF how can he possibly know more than them? How can he be such a leader? HES JUST A KID!

>_>

I hate that, even in cybertron too... how the kids are too clever, mechanics, scientists...

I think they need to make the kids more innocent and unknowing, like back in the day.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:Primus. The Quintesson origin story was much more interesting.

Sparks, for the same reason. I just find the "I, robot" idea of the mechanical evolving to the point where it is living more interesting than "Primus made us".

Fans of later TF series that discriminate against fans of the original series......& particularly those who use the term "Geewuner" as an excuse to ignore anybody with an opinion that G1 might have been better in any way, wether it be storytelling, character development, design, or variety than any other TF continuity, including the new movie.

I agree with you. I do not like the idea of Primus, or Unicron. I do not like sparks either, but for a differant reason. I especially agree with you on the Geewunner thing.


I do not like Sparks, or the idea that Transformers can be "reformatted."
Sparks, if they are visible or mainly located in the chest in a "spark chamber," bother me. I find it harder to have empathy for a Tf creature in a show when their robotic attributes are overempathised(sp?), and their living attributes are not emphesized(sp) enough. "Sparks," "Spark Chambers," and "Reformatting," really drive home the robotic idea.

To be brutally truethful, if I ever met a "reformatted" Transformer, especially if it had been one that I knew, I probably would either not acknowledge their existance or I would be mean to them to drive them away. It really bothers me when a character gets "reformatted," as it implies that they are nothing but a walking pile of sentiant circuitry and machine parts, rather then the living things that they are tryng to show you they are.

I hate how they still have yet to make a f-2 transformer

Zombie Starscream wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:Primus. The Quintesson origin story was much more interesting.

Sparks, for the same reason. I just find the "I, robot" idea of the mechanical evolving to the point where it is living more interesting than "Primus made us".

I agree with you. I do not like the idea of Primus, or Unicron. I do not like sparks either, but for a differant reason. I especially agree with you on the Geewunner thing.


I do not like Sparks, or the idea that Transformers can be "reformatted."
Sparks, if they are visible or mainly located in the chest in a "spark chamber," bother me. I find it harder to have empathy for a Tf creature in a show when their robotic attributes are overempathised(sp?), and their living attributes are not emphesized(sp) enough. "Sparks," "Spark Chambers," and "Reformatting," really drive home the robotic idea.

The fact that sparks straddle the ideaof a metaphysical soul and a mechanical device is why I like the idea. It adds to the whole machine or alive ambiguity of transformers.

the idea of primus as a god does not annoy me as such as giving transformers a beleif system adds depth. What does annoy me is when their is clear cut evidence of primus as a physical being too. Even worse is the situation of unicron who is a god but can have his body harmed and even seriously crippled by mundane attacks. To my opinion any being who can be blinded by space ships is no god. Being harmed physically implies that the matrix is not the only way to destroy him.

Glyph wrote:

Zombie Starscream wrote:I do not like Sparks, or the idea that Transformers can be "reformatted."
Sparks, if they are visible or mainly located in the chest in a "spark chamber," bother me. I find it harder to have empathy for a Tf creature in a show when their robotic attributes are overempathised(sp?), and their living attributes are not emphesized(sp) enough. "Sparks," "Spark Chambers," and "Reformatting," really drive home the robotic idea.

Interesting you should say that, because most people who are against sparks (particularly when retroactively applied to G1) say that the thing they don't like is that it means the Transformer has some kind of metaphysical 'soul' - that is, they're not just robots. Most say that sparks distract from or cancel out the idea of Transformers being purely mechanical and being essentially machines which have evolved to the point of sentience.

Pesronally I have no problem with the idea of sparks - it simply makes explicit something that I believe was always implicit but never mentioned in the original series - but it's interesting to see the argument against them turned backwards from the way it's usually stated.

I always liked the ideia of sparks. It gives the transformers a feeling of being tryly alive by having a soul

I like Sparks!

Not having The War Within wrap up properly was a real kick in the ass, (the whole Pat Lee thing again)

Three issues, c'mon!

The Master Blaster wrote:

Fang Wolf wrote:

Myriagon wrote:G1 super-fans
BW haters
any-other-haters-except-for-RTM-DUB-haters (rofl, wally!)

Add "blind Character hate" and we have agree-ance.

What's wrong with hatin wheelie?

I like Wheelie... and Blurr, who I do hate is Ironhide from Energon, Damn you Roadbuster.

Lack of death, mutilation, mass destruction, terror, gore and other adult themes, aka language of the cursing variety. I mean come on with the fire power they have at their disposal, collateral damage should almost guaranteed whenever a fight breaks out.

Plus what's with the children being in it. The sooner transformers gets re-marketed for adults, the better.

edit: what would be awesome, is if some tf stories were done in the same vein as marvel max.

I do like sparks in the sense that they are a 'soul,' but the major thing I dislike about them is when they are visible, as just another 'componant' that can be added.

With Starscream, and some of the others that have possily been ghosts, the spark idea is interesting. With the G1 'formers, there is no obvious "spark chamber," but yet they still have them. But they are usually also invisible. The 'sparks' become something rather mysterious, something like "do they they really exist, and what exactly are they," kind of thing, just like a human soul. It makes killing Tfs inherantly immoral, rather then just destroying a nonliving robot, which is not immoral.

It is the same with Primus. I do not mind if they have gods they believe in, but FirstChAoS very elegantly stated it better then I could have with the idea of Primus.