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Flux Convoy wrote:

MR Optimus Prime wrote:There seems to be confusion that a company has done *SKYFIRE* before, which no one has.

You'd be wrong. Takara has. I said so much a few posts ago.

Can you link me to a picture?

MR Optimus Prime wrote:

Flux Convoy wrote:

MR Optimus Prime wrote:There seems to be confusion that a company has done *SKYFIRE* before, which no one has.

You'd be wrong. Takara has. I said so much a few posts ago.

Can you link me to a picture?

I can do better than that, I can link you to the gallery here: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... fire/1557/

Flux Convoy wrote:

MR Optimus Prime wrote:

Flux Convoy wrote:

MR Optimus Prime wrote:There seems to be confusion that a company has done *SKYFIRE* before, which no one has.

You'd be wrong. Takara has. I said so much a few posts ago.

Can you link me to a picture?

I can do better than that, I can link you to the gallery here: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... fire/1557/

Okay, so no one has still done a Skyfire figure. That is still the Jetfire figure that is based off the F-14 with a jacked up nose.

Whats funny is Cloudraker would make a decent mini Skyfire just by moving the wings.

MR Optimus Prime wrote:Okay, so no one has still done a Skyfire figure. That is still the Jetfire figure that is based off the F-14 with a jacked up nose.

That IS Skyfire. The Hasbro and Takara versions are each an homage to both versions of the character. Takara's was named Skyfire. What's the confusion? I'm not bending the truth to put one over on you. We've gotten Skyfire in a Classics form. It has, as a matter of fact, been made. Your original statement is false and I've given you the proof.

I am sorry, that is NOT Skyfire. Just because an official name is on it does not make it so. The figure in THIS thread IS Skyfire.

The classics toy homages both the toy and cartoon version of Jet/Skyfire thanks to his helmet. Sure the toy isn't totally like the cartoon model of Skyfire, but neither was Optimus Prime, Kup, Blurr, or any of the classics molds.

It's resemblence to Skyfire is definately greater than Classics Megatron's resemblance to Megatron's cartoon model.

MR Optimus Prime wrote:I am sorry, that is NOT Skyfire. Just because an official name is on it does not make it so. The figure in THIS thread IS Skyfire.

So what you're saying is, this: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... /1557/1/1/ which looks like this: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... 1557/1/70/ which in turn resembles this: http://www.battlegrip.com/wp-content/up ... kyfire.jpg isn't Skyfire? Even though they are all extremely similar and they're specifically named so? Really? Okay. The figure in this thread is some mis proportioned oddity that I wouldn't waste my money on, Skyfire or no.

For anyone that knows, Robot Master Jetfire/Skyfire is a really cool representation even though he is just a repaint of G2 Jetfire/Skyfire Cyberjet. This has potential I think and we'll see what it looks like in the end. If we are lucky 1 or 2 other 3rd Party groups will jump on this TF and give it a shot. Isn't that right Devastator, Powerglide, and Seaspray?

Flux Convoy wrote:

MR Optimus Prime wrote:I am sorry, that is NOT Skyfire. Just because an official name is on it does not make it so. The figure in THIS thread IS Skyfire.

So what you're saying is, this: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... /1557/1/1/ which looks like this: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... 1557/1/70/ which in turn resembles this: http://www.battlegrip.com/wp-content/up ... kyfire.jpg isn't Skyfire? Even though they are all extremely similar and they're specifically named so? Really? Okay. The figure in this thread is some mis proportioned oddity that I wouldn't waste my money on, Skyfire or no.

Wow, that actually shows it to be much more like the cartoon model than I remembered.

I mean, sure it isn't 100% the same, but that's true for the majority of Classics figures.

While I love 3P offerings (3PO's?), I gotta say, Flux has a point. Either advance, enhance, or GTFO.

Blasted G1 cartoon! Why'd you have to rename him "Skyfire"? If you had kept him as "Jetfire" like everything else at the time, there wouldn't be these arguments.

Look, people, G1 Jetfire was only ever called "Skyfire" in the cartoon. Everywhere else (comics, toys, books, etc.) he was "Jetfire". The cartoon holds no precedence over any other medium, and so if this thing is Jetfire, then it is Jetfire!

And, yes, I know that the cartoon model was changed from the look of the toy, but that model was NOT just for the cartoon, but for the comics. Behold, Comics Jetfire:


Same body, different name.

This third-party figure can represent "Jetfire" just as much as "Skyfire".

And, yes, we HAVE gotten a Skyfire figure before: Henkei! Henkei! Skyfire:


No, that is NOT Jetfire. THIS is Jetfire:


Same mold, but big difference in colors. Classics Jetfire is based off of the Stormbringer Jetfire design, while Henkei Skyfire took that look and tried to emulate the cartoon model's Skyfire colors.

To say that Henkei Skyfire isn't a Skyfire toy just because it isn't a 100% match for the animation model is narrow-minded and foolish.

Nemesis Destron wrote:For anyone that knows, Robot Master Jetfire/Skyfire is a really cool representation even though he is just a repaint of G2 Jetfire/Skyfire Cyberjet.

That's not Jetfire, that's R-Blade.

I like !!! I think Im gonna pop on both this and that Megatron that was shown a couple weeks ago. Gotta invest in a nice big rubbermaid tub to start tossing all my Hasbro s**t into as more 3rd party G1 accurate figures arise.

I simply don't see the need for this figure to be produced. Besides maybe his size, I can't remember seeing any comments complaining about the job Hasbro did on Classics Jetfire. Strikes me as just another case of a group wanting us to fund their self-indulgence. No interest from me I'm afraid.

This thing looks fugly as hell.
I've never been a fan of the classics mold but it at least looks cool in alt mode.
This 3rd party offering manages to look worse in both modes and I don't see how any kind of re-molding on the final product can make any improvements.

the vehicle mode looks way too bulky and boxlike, not very jet plane like.

I'm quite happy not to have to spend money on this guy. Classics Jetfire is a perfect representation of the Jet/Skyfire character in my eyes and much better looking than this... monstrosity.

Really awesome. Don't care for the head sculpt though and the jet mode is a little too blocky. Wonder how much it'll cost? Or wait for and hope for a MP Jetfire? Please Takara -we beg of you. All of this talk makes me want a vintage JF even more!!

Now if only TomyTakara will put a fly in the ointment and release an MP version of this?

The wings look stupid.

MR Optimus Prime wrote:

Flux Convoy wrote:

MR Optimus Prime wrote:

Flux Convoy wrote:

MR Optimus Prime wrote:There seems to be confusion that a company has done *SKYFIRE* before, which no one has.

You'd be wrong. Takara has. I said so much a few posts ago.

Can you link me to a picture?

I can do better than that, I can link you to the gallery here: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... fire/1557/

Okay, so no one has still done a Skyfire figure. That is still the Jetfire figure that is based off the F-14 with a jacked up nose.

Technically, Flux is right that Henkei did make a version of Skyfire and is was pretty cool.

But I feel what Mr. Op is saying, for those of us that really liked the Skyfire that was in the cartoon it just was not close enough. I have the toy, like it a lot but feel a better version should be made.

Unfortunately this isn't it. I appreciate the attempt since no one else seems to take this figure seriously but this is just not a good representation.

This figure really needs to be done by Takara in masterpiece form. For me that would fulfill a huge gap in my childhood memories that, as Mr. Op said, no one has really attempted before for some unknown reason.

Completely awesome character that never had a toy release originally, or serious attempt in the 25 years since.

After some serious debatting over this 3rd party jetfire toy. I've decided I don't like it thus I won't be buying it.

WHY? My main reason is I'm not a fan of mis-portioned body parts & mis-proportione limbs on a Transformers toy. The torso piece is way too over enlarged in relation to the other parts on this toy. the robot head looks like it's a deluxe sized robot head put on a leader sized robot body.

My secondary reason for not liking the toy. is the 3rd party designer did a horrible job of merging the rounded off parts with the squared off boxy parts. the upper rounded off arms don't mix well with the rest of the parts on this toy.

Third reason,the toy is way way way too boxy in both modes for my taste. the alt mode looks like a quart sized milk cardboard container. this boxy 3rd party jetfire toy reminds me of energon supreme sized omega supreme.

Lastly,their appears to be extra molding on the upper thighs nears the waist belt that might cause restricted forward range of motion.

Like some in this thread. I also feel the classics 1.0 Jetfire toy is much better than this 3rd party jetfire toy.

IMHO,Personally I don't need takara to waste time+,money+resources creating a masterpiece jetfire toy. I'm happy,content & satisfied with the various Skull leader toynami robotech masterpiece toys & skull leader macross robotech masterpiece toys.

I'll pass on this. Way too blocky and with the job other 3rd party companies are doing this just isn't up to par, not to mention that Jetfire doesn't really need an update.

No, no no, that's not how you do it.
If you want peoples money for a figure, make sure that it's actually superior to the official version.
I mean the Classics Jetfire mold isn't perfect and there are things I would like changed, but it's still way better than this thing here. So I'll keep him in my collection.