The Energon Pub

hello! This is a project I've been trying to finish lately, but with lack of G1 knowledge, I can't finish, so I need help!

I am Trying to link all the cartoons together so that for example, G1 Prime is the same as Armada Prime.

I need to figure out what happened between the different series so that all of them are the same series. hopefully I explained it good enough.

these series need to be linked:

G1
Beast Wars
Beast Machines
R.I.D.
Armada
Energon
Cybertron
Live Action Films
Animated


all characters in those series need to be the same if they have the same name with few exceptions such as Megatron (beast era) and beast era silverbolt


I appreciate the help

Bro, you honestly want us to belive that G1 Cyclonus is that wisecracking, rambaling bafool Armada Cyclonus?

I do not belive this!

(and how did arcee split in three when she was one in every other series? )

Sis, I am ignoring your Post due to the fact that...IT'S CLEARLY NOT HELPING ME!

(anyone else disagree with me, then don't post for it serves no use... but then again, i'ts a free universe so, who's holding you back?

The issue I believe you will find, (and sorry if this doesn't assist you) is that people have tried to do this before to mixed results.

Also If you are not aware, Takara has already done published the way they see Transformers as being one continuity with all the pieces you listed and even adding other you havn't. This project as well has been taken by the majority as an interesting endeavor but not a binding universe.

My advice, give up now while you still can.

Seriously I tried to do this YEARS ago with little results.

The characters and story lines are just too different to link togeather. The best you could do is rewright each series from scratch just useing whatever versions of each character you like the best. Just trying to fill in gaps between series that were never ment to be linked in the first place will never work and you'll get a major head ach trying. (I know I did.)

I think I tried this like right when RID first came out and was trying to come up with an exsplination for why Ultra Magnus changed from being a friend who didn't even want the Matrix as he was "just a soldier" to being an enemy who wanted the Matrix and thought Prime should of never had it to begine with.

This and much much more basically fried my brain to the point where I don't even try anymore. Anything that doesn't make sence with a pre-established continuity is a new continuity now.

I'd allso like to point out that I never made it passed G1 when trying to connect the different series. Constructicons multiple originals ended it for me. I'm glad I never had to even attempt to make Armada fit. That would be even worse hell.

Anyway, yeah, the best help I can give you is stick to a continuity you're familiar/comfterble with and just base the entire thing in that continuity but useing alternate molds of the same name sakes from other continuitys.

I'd like to rewright every series so it fits Beast Wars and cut alot of characters who never really had much screen time to begine with. For example, G1 Ravage to be more like BW Ravage would actully be able to speak insted of just growling. They're allready supose to be the same character but I just don't see how G1 Ravage became the total bad ass he was in BW.

oh, sorry for the anger and Hatred back there. Sugar rush

my, I thought I would get Replies like this...

I shall never give up! I shall put my Life into finding a solution! even if it takes 1,000 Years I'll...be Hungary... then again... oh well, I have A LOT of Time. I'll have enough to answer all my questions...(how did Devastator get those... I'm not even gonna say. and why is it Megatron, then Galvatron,Megatron,Galvatron,megatron,Galvatron,Megatron,Galvatron,Megatron,Galvatron... and it keeps going on and on and on! And why do I talk in run on sentences,and such?)

Till all are One!

















WHAT?!?!?! HOW THE HECK DID SPARKPLUG BECOME A MINI-CON?!?!?!

primusprime22 wrote:oh, sorry for the anger and Hatred back there. Sugar rush

my, I thought I would get Replies like this...

I shall never give up! I shall put my Life into finding a solution! even if it takes 1,000 Years I'll...be Hungary... then again... oh well, I have A LOT of Time. I'll have enough to answer all my questions...(how did Devastator get those... I'm not even gonna say. and why is it Megatron, then Galvatron,Megatron,Galvatron,megatron,Galvatron,Megatron,Galvatron,Megatron,Galvatron... and it keeps going on and on and on! And why do I talk in run on sentences,and such?)

Till all are One!

Well the simple answer is they're not all the same guy.

G1 Megatron was turned into Galvatron by Unicron.

RID Megatron absorbed energy from the Black Pyrimid to become Galvatron.

A/E/C Megatron/Galvatrons however are all the same guy... suposidly. Armada Megatron was repaired by a group of Mini-cons along with others and he started calling himself Galvatron however other characters continued to call him Megatron. Energon, I can't even remember how he changed but seeing as how he's a homage to G1 I'm just going to call both of them Galvatron. And Cybertron was really stupid, he got all angry and started glowing and then he was Galvatron.

WHAT?!?!?! HOW THE HECK DID SPARKPLUG BECOME A MINI-CON?!?!?!

He didn't, they're not the same character.

There have been multiple "Sparkplugs"

G1 Human who was Spike's father.

Armada Sparkplug the Mini-con.

and Animated had not 1 but TWO Sparkplugs. A human homage to the G1 character and the little robot dog that was Sari's pet.

All 4 of them are not the same character, they are 4 entirely seperate characters.

Just to eliminate some confusion if you're going to mix characters, I'd say G1 Sparkplug, Animated Human Sparkplug, and Movie Ron (Sam's dad) could all be made into the same character. But there's no way you can have G1 Sparkplug turn into a Mini-con and then into a dog.

Saber if he wants to try to figure a way out than let him, he has every right to.

And I think he was stating Sparkplug out of comedy.

We all have ways of sorting out own personal universes anyways. Personally I have Cybertron Optimus, and if anyone asks, I say he's Galaxy Convoy. I like the figure, but I just don't see him as Prime.

Thanks E, I just had to switch gears in mid-stream and delete my original post...but you have an unarguable point (as usual).

Nobody has figured a way to straighten out the puzzle yet but as my own kids have shown me time and again, sometimes what is needed is a fresh perspective and the vision of one who doesn't have a mind cluttered with all the information we do. The shortest, simplest path may yet be right under our noses and too much logic and information has blinded us to it.
Good luck on the endeavor primusprime22. I hesitate to offer too much info since I don't want to confuse the facts further. I suggest taking your time, find out little bits here and there and piece things together slowly. It's a big undertaking but I think you may have the mindset to make it futher on this task than most.

Editor wrote:Saber if he wants to try to figure a way out than let him, he has every right to.

Never said he didn't have a right to try. Just trying to save him a huge head ach and alot of asprin.

I'm not kidding, I really did try this like 5 years ago and all I got out of it was a major head ach.

I really don't want to be a pessimist, but I really don't think you can connect ALL the series together.

Some are just to different from each other.

Indeed, even the Official Fan club has given up and gone with a multiverse with a number of separate continuities for the North American universes.

Reading this page is a good start if you haven't already. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Multiverse

I won't deny that the task is virtually impossible but just making the attempt itself is a good learning tool for someone getting into the wider world of the Transformers. We may have to enroll him in anger management courses once the frustration level reaches a certain point but if our young padawan wants to give it a shot then, like Editor mentioned, he does have that right. I know that there are certain things that I have purposely witheld from my own kids as to the incredible scope of the Transformers Universe just because I know that I don't have the kind of time nor do my kids have the patience to have some stuff explained and some of the connections and cross connections made. There's a lot I still don't know and I fall back on the saying "Ignorance is Bliss".

Rial Vestro wrote:

Editor wrote:Saber if he wants to try to figure a way out than let him, he has every right to.

Never said he didn't have a right to try. Just trying to save him a huge head ach and alot of asprin.

I'm not kidding, I really did try this like 5 years ago and all I got out of it was a major head ach.

I wouldnt say itall that hard to connect.

I did it myself a few years back, altho I used a "decedent" explanation for some characters with the same names while in other cases I chose to say that the character took the name out of respect.

This is simply not possible. As far as the cartoons/movies go, there are at least five different universes that do not link together at all.

This is as best as each cartoon movie can be linked:

G1/Beast Era:
* Beast Wars seasons 1-3
* G1 seasons 1 & 2
* Scramble City
* RobotMasters
* The Transformers: The Movie
* G1 season 3 (and 4)
* The Headmasters
* Super-god Masterforce
* Victory
* Zone
* Beast Wars II and its movie
* Beast Wars Neo
* Beast Machines

RiD:
* Robots in Disguise

Unicron Trilogy:
* Armada
* Energon

* Cybertron (the dub tries to connect with the previous two, but the original can be on it own)

Movie:
* Transformers
* Revenge of the Fallen

TFA
* Animated seasons 1-3


Oh, and there's also the Playskool Go-Bots short-lived cartoon that stands on its own. And the two Universe 2.0 flash episodes that don't fit in anywhere either.

And this doesn't even include all the various comics, manga, and other fiction for each series.

Sabrblade wrote:This is simply not possible. As far as the cartoons/movies go, there are at least five different universes that do not link together at all.

This is as best as each cartoon movie can be linked:

G1/Beast Era:
* Beast Wars seasons 1-3
* G1 seasons 1 & 2
* Scramble City
* RobotMasters
* The Transformers: The Movie
* G1 season 3 (and 4)
* The Headmasters
* Super-god Masterforce
* Victory
* Zone
* Beast Wars II and its movie
* Beast Wars Neo
* Beast Machines

Due to the time traveling involved with Beast Wars there are actully a few scenes within the series that would be set some time after Zone and before Beast Machines. But most of it would indeed be set in the past.

Oh, and there's also the Playskool Go-Bots short-lived cartoon that stands on its own.

I'm a bit confused here on this one. The Go-Bots cartoon was it's own little universe that has no conection to Transformers other than the use of Transforming robots. It had Leader-1 leading the Guardians and Cy-Kill leading the Renigades. As far as I know the cartoon was not "Playschool" but the name "Go-Bots" did get reused for a toy line that had nothing to do with the cartoon series and was actully just cute versions of the Transformers characters that were made safer for kids under 3. (sence all the other Toy lines are for kids 5+)

And the two Universe 2.0 flash episodes that don't fit in anywhere either.

I think Universe is a bad attempt to cross all the other series into one badly made toy line. And the episodes are even more badly made. They seem like EXSTREAMLY low budget toy commercials with no sign of even trying to have a plot

Rial Vestro wrote:

Oh, and there's also the Playskool Go-Bots short-lived cartoon that stands on its own.

I'm a bit confused here on this one. The Go-Bots cartoon was it's own little universe that has no conection to Transformers other than the use of Transforming robots. It had Leader-1 leading the Guardians and Cy-Kill leading the Renigades. As far as I know the cartoon was not "Playschool" but the name "Go-Bots" did get reused for a toy line that had nothing to do with the cartoon series and was actully just cute versions of the Transformers characters that were made safer for kids under 3. (sence all the other Toy lines are for kids 5+)

I'm not surprised you haven't heard of the cartoon, I only know about it cause I spend way too much time surfing around TF sites now and then. Anyway, the TF wiki entry! http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Go-Bots_%28cartoon%29

Duke of Luns wrote:

Rial Vestro wrote:

Oh, and there's also the Playskool Go-Bots short-lived cartoon that stands on its own.

I'm a bit confused here on this one. The Go-Bots cartoon was it's own little universe that has no conection to Transformers other than the use of Transforming robots. It had Leader-1 leading the Guardians and Cy-Kill leading the Renigades. As far as I know the cartoon was not "Playschool" but the name "Go-Bots" did get reused for a toy line that had nothing to do with the cartoon series and was actully just cute versions of the Transformers characters that were made safer for kids under 3. (sence all the other Toy lines are for kids 5+)

I'm not surprised you haven't heard of the cartoon, I only know about it cause I spend way too much time surfing around TF sites now and then. Anyway, the TF wiki entry! http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Go-Bots_%28cartoon%29

Sent to Earth from a world far away
Go-Bots... save the day!

Go-Go-Go-Bots!
Go! Go! Go! Go-Bots!

"A robot is what you see,"
But that's not all that it can be.

Go-Go-Go-Bots!
Go! Go! Go! Go-Bots!

Aero-Bot! Beast-Bot! Speed-Bot! Go!
They only change, when you say so.

Go-Go-Go-Bots!
Go! Go! Go! Go-Bots!

When danger strikes, they rearrange.
One! Two! Three! Got the power to change!

Go-Go-Go-Bots!
Go! Go! Go! Go-Bots!

Rial Vestro wrote:I'm a bit confused here on this one. The Go-Bots cartoon was it's own little universe that has no conection to Transformers other than the use of Transforming robots. It had Leader-1 leading the Guardians and Cy-Kill leading the Renigades. As far as I know the cartoon was not "Playschool" but the name "Go-Bots" did get reused for a toy line that had nothing to do with the cartoon series and was actully just cute versions of the Transformers characters that were made safer for kids under 3. (sence all the other Toy lines are for kids 5+)

Actually with the current publication from the official Fan Club, the Go-Bots have quite a deal to do with at least one Transformer universe.

The universe that all the Classics/Universe figures are suppose to exist in is an offshoot of the Marvel Comic universe. The creation of that universe is currently squeezing another universe out of existence, the dying universe is the one shown in the original Go-bots cartoon, hence why a research/exploration team was sent thru to the new classics universe (Takara's Go-bot pack) in the 'Withered Hope' fiction and the inclusion of Bug-Bite in the Games of Deception story.

Long story short, Bug Bite did tell Pathfinder that 'others' would be joining them. So we still may see more of Cy-Kill and Leader-1.

Editor wrote:

Rial Vestro wrote:I'm a bit confused here on this one. The Go-Bots cartoon was it's own little universe that has no conection to Transformers other than the use of Transforming robots. It had Leader-1 leading the Guardians and Cy-Kill leading the Renigades. As far as I know the cartoon was not "Playschool" but the name "Go-Bots" did get reused for a toy line that had nothing to do with the cartoon series and was actully just cute versions of the Transformers characters that were made safer for kids under 3. (sence all the other Toy lines are for kids 5+)

Actually with the current publication from the official Fan Club, the Go-Bots have quite a deal to do with at least one Transformer universe.

The universe that all the Classics/Universe figures are suppose to exist in is an offshoot of the Marvel Comic universe. The creation of that universe is currently squeezing another universe out of existence, the dying universe is the one shown in the original Go-bots cartoon, hense why a research team was sent thru to the new universe (Takara's Go-bot pack) in the 'Crossing over' fiction and the inclusion of Bug-Bite in the Games of Deception story.

Long story short, Bug Bite did tell Pathfinder that 'others' would be joining them. So we still may see more of Cy-Kill and Leader-1.

Good post.

But if Hasbro and TakaraTomy ever decide to name a toy "Baron Von Joy," they will be showing a massive lapse in judgment. 'Cause seriously, that's a terrible, terrible name.

Ok, thanks for support!
I have gotten a little more... mature since that post, and now I've given up. I still haven't figured out why all the humans on earth in Energon know about the Transformers, and in Cybertron, they dont. anyway, thanks!

primusprime22 wrote:I still haven't figured out why all the humans on earth in Energon know about the Transformers, and in Cybertron, they dont.

Because they were originally separate series that had little-to-nothing to do with each other. It was Hasbro's headache-inducing retcon that linked to two together, when they clearly cannot work out well together without some major reworking of the plots of Cybertron or some mind-crushing headaches being inflicted on the fans and viewers.

Sabrblade wrote:

primusprime22 wrote:I still haven't figured out why all the humans on earth in Energon know about the Transformers, and in Cybertron, they dont.

Becaus they were originally separate series that had little-to-nothing to do with each other. It was Hasbro's headache-inducing retcon that linked to two together, when they clearly cannot work out well together without some major reworking of the plots of Cybertron or some mind-crushing headaches being inflicted on the fans and viewers.

That's what you get from Hasbro handling the toys and basic backstory, and leaving Takara with the choice of animation studio. Takara took things in their own direction leaving Hasbro with the flak.
Galaxy Force was a standalone series according to Takara, until the Great Retcon chucked them all into one single timeline. Thankfully, I choose to ignore said Retcon and consider these seperate timelines, with G1 being spintered:

/ Headmasters -> Masterforce -> Victory -> Zone -> Return of Convoy (Japan timeline)
G1 -> G2 -> Beast Wars -> Beast Machines (US Basic timeline)
\ Classics (splinter timeline)

RiD
Armada -> Energon
Cybertron/Galaxy Force
Animated
Live Action Movie -> Revenge of the Fallen

On top of that, I'll be blasphemous and say this: I'm not considering G1 Unicron to be Armada Unicron. Same goes for G1 and Cybertron Primus . Now if you'll excuse me...

*hops away*

primusprime22 wrote:Ok, thanks for support!
I have gotten a little more... mature since that post, and now I've given up. I still haven't figured out why all the humans on earth in Energon know about the Transformers, and in Cybertron, they dont. anyway, thanks!

Good, cuz if anyone tried it longer that 5 years...

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:On top of that, I'll be blasphemous and say this: I'm not considering G1 Unicron to be Armada Unicron. Same goes for G1 and Cybertron Primus . Now if you'll excuse me...

*hops away*

Well, no matter what, no fanon ever officially trumps what's canon.