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SpacerAM2 wrote:scalping makes the prices even go higher online ,and the retailers take note of this. they also raise up their prices even more as well.
SpacerAM2 wrote:wrong it is a bad thing. greed hurts us all in the long run. even the retailers jack the prices even more. collectables included. like toys r us is doing.
Tresob wrote:SpacerAM2 wrote:wrong it is a bad thing. greed hurts us all in the long run. even the retailers jack the prices even more. collectables included. like toys r us is doing.
Making a fair profit is not "greed," and it doesn't "hurt" anyone. The exchanges that occur in a Toys R Us are all voluntary, and each party thinks they leave with something more valuable than they brought in. Otherwise they would not freely agree upon the exchange.
If Toys R Us starts asking unfair prices, then consumers will stop buying product. If people stop buying product, then the manufacturer (if it wants to survive) finds a way to cut costs and produce a cheaper product. It's why they have sales...because they know the retail value will only be acceptable to the highest paying consumers. They also know that by starting at a high retail value, they can make consumers think they are getting more value from their product by temporarily or even permanently reducing the price in the future. (If $15 becomes the new norm, then $10 looks like a bargain...even though it used to be the norm.)
Tresob wrote:Scalping occurs because Hasbro and its resellers have undervalued their own product. If a large number of consumers are willing to pay $20 for a particular figure, but TRU only charges $12, then scalpers will take advantage of the difference.
Tresob wrote:Scalping is actually helpful to a manufacturer: 1) It tells the manufacturer what their best products are, and 2) it tells the manufacturer what consumers are willing to pay.
Scalping is also beneficial to the retailer--the retailer still makes its targeted profit on the scalped item, plus by making individual characters more scarce, it increases the likelihood that consumers will make repeated visits (and eventually buy something other than the HTF figure, if only as a consolation prize).
Tresob wrote:Not to belabor the point, but nothing is really "lost" in scalping. There is a limited amount of any product on the market. A bona fide scalper does not take any of that product off of the market, they merely purchase it out of the retail market. (Maybe investors take it off the market...but how many people are really hoarding figures to unload twenty years from now? Scalpers need a fast turnaround to maxmize profits.)
Assumably, the goods a scalper purchases will end up in the hands of a collector, or a kid, or some other consumer who wants the product for its own sake. So nothing is "lost."
Tresbob wrote:All that happens to collectors is that some of them discover they have been outbid or priced out of something they wanted. Why get mad at someone with more disposable income paying more money for something he or she really, really wants?
If you never get a toy because of scalpers, all that means is that someone else was willing to pay more money than you. I don't see how that is "overvaluing" the product. If they thought it was worth $20 and you only thought it was worth $12, then they valued it more than you did (even if you desired it more).
joesaysso wrote:Tresob wrote:Not to belabor the point, but nothing is really "lost" in scalping. There is a limited amount of any product on the market. A bona fide scalper does not take any of that product off of the market, they merely purchase it out of the retail market. (Maybe investors take it off the market...but how many people are really hoarding figures to unload twenty years from now? Scalpers need a fast turnaround to maxmize profits.)
Assumably, the goods a scalper purchases will end up in the hands of a collector, or a kid, or some other consumer who wants the product for its own sake. So nothing is "lost."
Yes. More of a collector's money is lost. If I wanted a figure that was available at mass retail for $12 but couldn't get it because it was scalped before I had a chance to and then had to pay $20 to get it, I lost $8.Tresbob wrote:All that happens to collectors is that some of them discover they have been outbid or priced out of something they wanted. Why get mad at someone with more disposable income paying more money for something he or she really, really wants?
If you never get a toy because of scalpers, all that means is that someone else was willing to pay more money than you. I don't see how that is "overvaluing" the product. If they thought it was worth $20 and you only thought it was worth $12, then they valued it more than you did (even if you desired it more).
Perhaps you aren't clear about what I'm saying. I don't fault a collector for buying from a scalper if that is what they choose to do. #1 I fault the collector if they choose to buy from a scalper and then complain about how they got scalped after they made the decision to make the purchase knowing full well what they were doing. #2 In the case of being outbid or priced out by someone, that doesn't apply. The scalper is paying the same price that I would be paying because we are getting the figures from the same place. How is anyone being out bid by a scalper when they are buying the figures from retail just like everybody else is trying to? #3 None of what you said about the collector over-valueing the figure applies to what I said. It isn't the collector who over-values the figure, its the scalper. Its the very nature of how they profit. They buy figures for $12, creates a false sense of supply and demand, and charges $20 knowing that they were only worth $12 strictly for the sense of profit.
Like I said, you can spin it however you want in your brain but the facts are the collector's lose money because of scalpers and I would argue that scalping certainly does it part to ruin, what I consider to be, an otherwise fun hobby. I highly doubt that you would be so apathetic to this issue if we were talking about a life necessity as opposed to some toys. If somebody came along and bought up all of the world's food, not for the purpose of need and consumption for themselves, but soley for the purpose of selling the food back to you at a higher price than what you could have gotten it for yourself and put you in the position of being forced to pay the higher prices or not eat at all, I bet you'd be in the pack of people raising the "BS" flag and crying foul. I bet noone would hear you saying that spending more money and people making more profit is a good thing then.
Like I said from the beginning, for me its a matter of principle. People have the right to scalp and people have the right to buy from scalpers. I don't like the practice and I think it ruins the hobby so I do what I can to not be involved. I would rather not own a figure than buy it from a scalper.
Others don't feel the same way as I do and thats fine. But if people buy from scalpers then they shouldn't have the right to complain about scalping later. And if people want scalping to go away, then they shouldn't buy from scalpers.
SpacerAM2 wrote:the deluxes are going for 16 now ,and they are liable to increase them more later this year. voyagers are going from 20 to 23 now. the price inflation is getting out of hand. scalping is also contributing that the retailers are increasing their prices as well.
GuyIncognito wrote:The only real difference between "retail" and "scalping" is scale.
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