The Energon Pub

A new Galvatron would interest me even if it's not an improved ss86 version but it's likely a repack just hope if it's from another generation of transformers they give him all his alt modes.

My money's on an SS86 Soundwave and a Soundblaster repaint of Netflix Soundwave.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:

Rtron wrote:
It's funny because Budiansky was apparently bamboozled too, he claims he gave the guy that name and personality as wordplay because the toy they gave him was blue. Probably a Diaclone one. That and the boxart confirm they changed the deco at the last minute,

Why would they make such a pointless & unnecessary change like that? I was looking all over for the blue version.

It's because of the hood.

Both of the Diaclone pre-Bluestreaks had hoods that were different colors from the rest of the car's body (blue w/ a silver hood and silver w/ a black hood), which made them both look like those old broken cars that use replacement parts from other cars that don't match the rest of the car.

Apparently, Hasbro didn't want their Bluestreak to look like an old broken car with a replaced hood, so they took the silver hood from the blue car and put it on the silver car to create a new uniform design with a matching car and hood, nixing the silver car's original black hood in the process. Evidently, this decision came too late in the game for the packaging to be changed, but not too late for the comics and cartoon to both switch to the silver character design before release.

That said, however, it seems the cartoon somehow got a look at the original Diaclone silver car w/ black hood deco instead of the new all-silver deco, since the cartoon model for Bluestreak used the black hood instead of the new silver one, like how the cartoon also used Diaclone blue Swoop instead of Swoop's new red coloring meant to make him better resemble the other Dinobots who also used red as a secondary color. The comics, on the other hand, did use the all-silver Bluestreak and red Swoop as per their toys.

william-james88 wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

TulioDude wrote:I hope one of them is Bumblebee Soundwave.

I believe the $26 one will be because that's what Target in the US charges for SS figures

For what class?

Voyager class. Sorry, thought I included that, but I was also just waking up so I guess I forgot that important part

Sabrblade wrote:

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:

Rtron wrote:
It's funny because Budiansky was apparently bamboozled too, he claims he gave the guy that name and personality as wordplay because the toy they gave him was blue. Probably a Diaclone one. That and the boxart confirm they changed the deco at the last minute,

Why would they make such a pointless & unnecessary change like that? I was looking all over for the blue version.

It's because of the hood.

Both of the Diaclone pre-Bluestreaks had hoods that were different colors from the rest of the car's body (blue w/ a silver hood and silver w/ a black hood), which made them both look like those old broken cars that use replacement parts from other cars that don't match the rest of the car.

Apparently, Hasbro didn't want their Bluestreak to look like an old broken car with a replaced hood, so they took the silver hood from the blue car and put it on the silver car to create a new uniform design with a matching car and hood, nixing the silver car's original black hood in the process. Evidently, this decision came too late in the game for the packaging to be changed, but not too late for the comics and cartoon to both switch to the silver character design before release.

That said, however, it seems the cartoon somehow got a look at the original Diaclone silver car w/ black hood deco instead of the new all-silver deco, since the cartoon model for Bluestreak used the black hood instead of the new silver one, like how the cartoon also used Diaclone blue Swoop instead of Swoop's new red coloring meant to make him better resemble the other Dinobots who also used red as a secondary color. The comics, on the other hand, did use the all-silver Bluestreak and red Swoop as per their toys.

The differences in comic and cartoon color accuracy are probably a result of respective production lead times. Cartoons take way longer to produce, and that includes coloring. Plus, the amount of people involved means that once something is on a character sheet, it's set in stone for the episodes that are already going into production. Comics take a shorter time to produce and are colored by only one person, who wasn't particularly detail oriented or meticulous in The Transformers' case, so you can put any coloring change in effect as soon as you notice it's happened. It's a bit weird though, given how Yomtov crearly didn't give a damn when coloring stuff.

Rtron wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:

Rtron wrote:
It's funny because Budiansky was apparently bamboozled too, he claims he gave the guy that name and personality as wordplay because the toy they gave him was blue. Probably a Diaclone one. That and the boxart confirm they changed the deco at the last minute,

Why would they make such a pointless & unnecessary change like that? I was looking all over for the blue version.

It's because of the hood.

Both of the Diaclone pre-Bluestreaks had hoods that were different colors from the rest of the car's body (blue w/ a silver hood and silver w/ a black hood), which made them both look like those old broken cars that use replacement parts from other cars that don't match the rest of the car.

Apparently, Hasbro didn't want their Bluestreak to look like an old broken car with a replaced hood, so they took the silver hood from the blue car and put it on the silver car to create a new uniform design with a matching car and hood, nixing the silver car's original black hood in the process. Evidently, this decision came too late in the game for the packaging to be changed, but not too late for the comics and cartoon to both switch to the silver character design before release.

That said, however, it seems the cartoon somehow got a look at the original Diaclone silver car w/ black hood deco instead of the new all-silver deco, since the cartoon model for Bluestreak used the black hood instead of the new silver one, like how the cartoon also used Diaclone blue Swoop instead of Swoop's new red coloring meant to make him better resemble the other Dinobots who also used red as a secondary color. The comics, on the other hand, did use the all-silver Bluestreak and red Swoop as per their toys.

The differences in comic and cartoon color accuracy are probably a result of respective production lead times. Cartoons take way longer to produce, and that includes coloring. Plus, the amount of people involved means that once something is on a character sheet, it's set in stone for the episodes that are already going into production. Comics take a shorter time to produce and are colored by only one person, who wasn't particularly detail oriented or meticulous in The Transformers' case, so you can put any coloring change in effect as soon as you notice it's happened. It's a bit weird though, given how Yomtov crearly didn't give a damn when coloring stuff.

Yeah, you can see from his early model colors that there was a transition between the Diaclone blue deco and the new all-silver deco that changed the silver hood to blue to make it uniform, but then switched to all-silver before finalizing the design with the Diaclone silver w/ black hood deco:

william-james88 wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:I'm just waiting for Hasbro to troll everyone by re-releasing SS86 core Rumble as a mainline core Frenzy a year later.

If Hastak gives us a solid SS86 Soundwave first, people won’t care as much.

How would SS86 Soundwave differ from the Netflix Soundwave released last year?

All they really need to do is tighten up the deco and paint apps. Match the yellow/gold of the tape door with the stripes on the robot chest. Put the red pin stripes on the wrists and the batteries. Remove the silver detailing on the shoulders, and voila! The Netflix release remains a distinct exclusive and fans that miss out have a shot at the same mold, with a more screen accurate deco and paint apps, at the cost of not getting the Netflix exclusive retool/redeco of Laserbeak and Ravage.

Nemesis Primal wrote:...
-$49.99 Optimus is NOT another rerelease of the ER one or the rumored Prime one (which I assume will be Voyager class due to the Bulkhead rumor retool), but in fact a "retool" (read: only seems to reuse the legs) of said ER Optimus with a new trailer to turn it into Laser Prime, apparently he still has a Matrix as well

Color me intrigued.... G2 Laser Prime?


May as well start saving up for him and the inevitable Scourge repaint. Wallet gonna hurt.

Overcracker wrote:Color me intrigued.... G2 Laser Prime?

Were you not around for Titans Return?

o.supreme wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Color me intrigued.... G2 Laser Prime?

Were you not around for Titans Return?

I was.

I own the Velocitron set and its G2 Laser Prime.



That does not stop me from wanting another one that may look better, and does not need to have a plane mode and has a detachable tanker trailer.

Heck I own R.I.D Scourge, Universe Combat Hero Prime and Velocitron TR Prime. Would not mind adding one more to that set.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

TulioDude wrote:I hope one of them is Bumblebee Soundwave.

I believe the $26 one will be because that's what Target in the US charges for SS figures

For what class?

Voyager class. Sorry, thought I included that, but I was also just waking up so I guess I forgot that important part

We'll see if that lasts. With the voyager class getting a price bump in 2022 (we already see it for SS86 Sweep), that $26 for a voyager at Target is nearing their wholesale purchase price.

Regarding the Energon Monster, what if it's another, more obscure energy-related character? Aside from the already-mentioned Kreemzeek and Energon Terrorcons (which might come in hand with the Rise Of The Beasts movie), from the top of my head I can think of Chaos from the titular Kup-centric episode, the Dweller from the Trans-Organics, and the Demons from Marvel comics (thought the former two are unlikely; Chaos has no transformation and both should be Leader of Commander class at least)

Nuclearxpotato wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:-Core Energon Monster (the presence of Armada Screamer strengthens my theory that this is some kind of Energon Terrorcon if it isn't something completely new like the Fossilizers)

My current theory is that "Energon Monsters" are Core class Weaponisers / Battlemasters / Armour. We know there's a Pretender homage in Legacy so this will probably that. I'm betting they'll be transparent "energon" figures of the Pretender shells that can be taken apart and put on Deluxe figures. There's also rumours of "Energon Hunters" which I'm guessing are the Autobot pretender shells.

If the Decepticon shells are relegated to Core class exclusivity while the Autobots get Deluxe+ I will be incredibly pissed. Autobot Pretenders are incredibly worse than Decepticon Pretenders.

Kennyk69 wrote:How about Monstructor!

This, I am 100% behind. Especially if Mostructor/Dinoking cam use their shells as additional armor in their combined mode.
Then again, I just want a proper update of the Pretender concept: more articulated shells and robots and more believable alt-modes with better transformations than "lie flat on the ground with the legs over your back". Any other gimmick is just an incentive as long as it doesn't distract from the core concept, and I definitely don't want a repeat of the Prime Masters, where they mixed two things different groups wanted (toys of the Thirteen and updated Pretenders) to please neither, and forgot the Pretender gimmick for half the characters.

Overcracker wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Color me intrigued.... G2 Laser Prime?

Were you not around for Titans Return?

I was.

I own the Velocitron set and its G2 Laser Prime.

That Octane mold just never did it for me, especially not the Optimus versions (though granted, I was still waiting for a good Optimus since the Classics mold... which Siege fixed). I've wanted a new Laser Prime for one reason (two really) the redecos. Scourge is all but guaranteed with his Live-action debut in RotB and Toxitron is perfect Selects fodder.

Nuclearxpotato wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Color me intrigued.... G2 Laser Prime?

Were you not around for Titans Return?

I was.

I own the Velocitron set and its G2 Laser Prime.

That Octane mold just never did it for me, especially not the Optimus versions (though granted, I was still waiting for a good Optimus since the Classics mold... which Siege fixed). I've wanted a new Laser Prime for one reason (two really) the redecos. Scourge is all but guaranteed with his Live-action debut in RotB and Toxitron is perfect Selects fodder.

It was a bit bland and had its issues. But overall not terrible as Laser Prime in Robot mode.

But a well made version with detachable tanker would be awesome.

Did not know Scourge was coming for RotB. Should be interesting to see.

I agree that the current cassette figures are too small for core class.
Nor are the able to achieve a screen-accurate enough look to be in SS86...

So here's what I'm thinking...
Rumble will transform into a cassette no matter what. Otherwise it doesn't correlate with the movie.
Is there a chance he just doesn't fit into a Soundwave figure? I guess so.

My other thought is that even for the Legacy line, the NF Soundwave is retooled enough to where his chest is deeper than the previous versions.
Rumble won't be as large as what we have from core class so far, but could be large enough that when in alt mode, he's a thicker cassette, possibly twice as thick. Not ideal, but it's not the worst solution.
A lot of people would be unhappy if this cassette can't interact with Soundwave in alt mode.
Of course, if the bot mode is incredibly well done, who knows.

And again, packed with articulated pile drivers and his own two small blasters, that justifies $10.
I wasn't actually serious about him having Megatron's cannon included. Even though I liked that scene, the pile drivers are more important, and the cannon would probably go beyond the figure's budget.

It is going to be very interesting to see how this works out.

I think it's a two pack and the listing just has 1 name.

william-james88 wrote:I think it's a two pack and the listing just has 1 name.

Yeah, this is most likely it.

william-james88 wrote:I think it's a two pack and the listing just has 1 name.

The remaining leaker on TFW spoke of Rumble in particular as a single figure and not as part of a two-pack.

Overcracker wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:...
-$49.99 Optimus is NOT another rerelease of the ER one or the rumored Prime one (which I assume will be Voyager class due to the Bulkhead rumor retool), but in fact a "retool" (read: only seems to reuse the legs) of said ER Optimus with a new trailer to turn it into Laser Prime, apparently he still has a Matrix as well

Color me intrigued.... G2 Laser Prime?

shut-up-hasbro-and-take-my-money.jpg

May as well start saving up for him and the inevitable Scourge repaint. Wallet gonna hurt.

You GD right.

Autobot N wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I think it's a two pack and the listing just has 1 name.

The remaining leaker on TFW spoke of Rumble in particular as a single figure and not as part of a two-pack.

With all due respect to the leakers, they have proven to get some stuff wrong also.

The Coronation Starscream reveal of today is a great example. I remember reading that the alt mode would look bad due to add the retooling. But it turns out to just be the same old jet mold.

So we'll see.

Rtron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I think it's a two pack and the listing just has 1 name.

Yeah, this is most likely it.

I feel ridiculously strongly about this: Battle Master Rumble can't be SS86 Rumble. This is not a situation where throwing a new deco on an old figure meets the design mandate. He's just too small.

FWIW, Apollox at TFW says that the rumored Eject is a new mold, though he doesn't say if it's a new size and can't confirm if Rumble uses the same mold. I'm also still skeptical of a new Blaster just being a retooled Netflix Soundwave, but I think that's the conventional wisdom.

Sometimes Hasbro surprises us by hitting us with something out of left field. Sometimes they churn out the same figure dozens of time by switching up the paint. I don't have any proof, but my gut says it's time for something new.

william-james88 wrote:Voltrace, the same person who found many listings in the Target database, took the time to check for some more. They searched for characters this time around and found a new Optimus Prime and a Galvatron, the later of which is most probably a repack of Kingdom. They did find not one but 2 Soundwaves. We are not certain of the exact line for each.

• Soundwave ($29.99)
• Soundwave ($26.99)
• Starscream ($29.99)
• Galvatron ($49.99)
• Optimus Prime ($49.99)
• Optimus Prime (9.99)
• Arcee ($22.99)

If I can take a stab at the whole guessing game, I would say...

PRIME:
- Soundwave ($26.99)
- Starscream ($29.99)
- Optimus Prime ($49.99)
- Arcee ($22.99)

G1:
- Soundwave ($29.99) <-(With Micro Cassette partner. Buzzsaw perhaps?)
- Galvatron ($49.99) <-(Maybe a deluxe with added electronics like the original had?)
- Optimus Prime ($9.99) <-(Obviously a repack.)

All I can say is that it fits how they are handling the Power Rangers' Lightning Collection, along with how they are starting to evolve the G.I. Joe Classified series.

(EDIT: I am starting to wonder if the G1 Decepticons are Studio Series at this point.)

Sowndwave76 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:I'm just waiting for Hasbro to troll everyone by re-releasing SS86 core Rumble as a mainline core Frenzy a year later.

If Hastak gives us a solid SS86 Soundwave first, people won’t care as much.

How would SS86 Soundwave differ from the Netflix Soundwave released last year?

Not by much.
But no Siege greebling, and added forearm panels. Gray colored areas may be switched to a lighter gray or even white.

They'd also have to remove the 3mm blast effect pegs and any of the vestigial Siege parts.

But now that we know this is a repaint of said NetFlix figure I'm not sure if I would but the mold again. Wasn't crazy about them mixing gold and yellow paint details on the original (I'd prefer orange) so if they fix that and he keeps the red visor I might bite.

william-james88 wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

TulioDude wrote:I hope one of them is Bumblebee Soundwave.

I believe the $26 one will be because that's what Target in the US charges for SS figures

For what class?

Voyager class. Sorry, thought I included that, but I was also just waking up so I guess I forgot that important part

We'll see if that lasts. With the voyager class getting a price bump in 2022 (we already see it for SS86 Sweep), that $26 for a voyager at Target is nearing their wholesale purchase price.

It'll last as long as Walmart keeps selling them at the same price.

Nemesis Primal wrote:-$49.99 Optimus is NOT another rerelease of the ER one or the rumored Prime one (which I assume will be Voyager class due to the Bulkhead rumor retool), but in fact a "retool" (read: only seems to reuse the legs) of said ER Optimus with a new trailer to turn it into Laser Prime, apparently he still has a Matrix as well

Ooh, ooh! This might actually have bigger implications than people realize! Scourge aside there was the leaker that said we were getting Shattered Glass Ultra Magnus next year. I think most of us just assumed it would be a Siege or Kingdom repaint, but this would actually be the right body since he uses the Reveal the Shield Laser Prime body.


I am all for this, don't screw this up, Hasbro! They're definitely going to screw this up.

Emerje

I sincerely hope you're right about SG Magnus!