Duke of Luns wrote:Sledge wrote:Before we begin, you're sadly entitled to your opinion, and even to express it. But I'm going to rip it to shreds because you don't seem to have put any thought into it.
Head Shot wrote:yet another crappy mosaic... am I the only one who really hates these things or am I just seriously that crazy? All they ever really seem to be is some poorly written fan-wank, and I have yet to see one that I actually like.
Well, sucks to be you. I can think of several so good that I've saved them to my hard drive so I can enjoy them again and again. Poorly-written? Let's see how you back that up.
First off, to one of the first posters saying that the writing is accurate.... yeah its accurate if we were talking about the shattered glass universe, but none of the autobots in my mind with the exception of a few like Ironhide ever glorified killing the 'cons. Beating them by stopping them from doing further harm to the planet and other living things was glorified, even beating the pulp out of them, but killing?
First of all, where do you see anyone praising BB for killing? They're complimenting him on a job well done. I doubt very much that the job BB was sent to do was killing what looks like Skywarp. Looks to me more like BB did his job and had to kill someone in the process.
Second, are you at all familiar with the characters? Let's look at who is complimenting him. Jazz: according to his profile, he "takes most dangerous missions," and he's a special ops agent. Doesn't sound like someone who'd shy away from killing.
Sunstreaker "is a very calm, competent, and ruthless war machine." Yeah, I'll bet he cries himself to sleep every time he has to kill a 'Con.
Sideswipe "relishes a fight to the finish with an opponent. Uses underhanded tactics when absolutely necessary." Why, this just doesn't seem to be supporting your point at all, does it? It's... it's almost like you were talking out of your rear end!
Do you all forget this was a children's cartoon and not some poorly written science fiction that glorifies robots killing eachother?
No. It's a series of toy robots that, over the years has spawned several cartoon shows, movies and comic books. And in every single one of them, characters have got killed. "Glorifies"? Did you actually read this? The whole frickin' point is about how terrible it is to kill someone, even an enemy! Jeez, people like you are the reason crap fiction gets made. Why bother putting some effort in when some numpty will come along, not pay attention then miss the point and blame the writer?
The autobots were never blood thirsty soldiers, and from the depiction of this, every autobot in this story, ESPECIALLY PRIME, are waaaaaay out of character.
Already covered this. You don't know those characters well. And, of course, I'll ask you to show me where Prime is saying "Way to go on slaughtering the enemy."
Absolutely trash writing whoever came up with the dialogue. Very good message in regards with Bumblebee's morality, and the deeper meaning behind the whole segment, but thats all defiled by the terrible dialogue and out of character personifactions of Jazz, Prime, and the others.
Again, try paying attention to what you're reading. Or just go back to watching the Matrix sequels.
So, what do I think? I like it. The characters are in character, which is something a lot of TF fanfic writers have trouble with.
Thanks for the compliments! But uh, I kinda was consiously writing them as congratulating Bee on the kill....
However, maybe subconsiously I wasn't, and it can work both ways. The way I see it(and have said on Devart and IDW) is that Bee is not a soldier, and isn't one of the "boys". In a lot of war media soldiers brag about how many kills they got during a battle, and they kind of look at Bee finally nailing a 'Con as a "job well done". They aren't necessarily wrong, they've just been entrenched in a millenia long struggle and have kind of "dehumanized" the enemy.
However, the main point stayed the same(Bee being grief stricken over taking a life), and I'm glad a majority of people seemed to have "got it".
To follow up my some-what drunken tirade before, I liked the art style more than most mosaics, as only a handful have actually used figures themselves in the comics, and its not that bad of mosaic, there are plenty of ones that are much worse, I just didn't get the whole "congrats on killing a 'con thing" that seemed to be going on with all those characters, which I guess wasn't picked up on by the people attacking my original comment.
I apologize for being a bit too harsh in the original comment. I was under the influence slightly at the time, and exagerated negatively what I wanted to say.
However, to defend myself from the comments made in responses to my drunken tirade, I hated all 3 matrix movies, I won't write fanfic because 1. I'm not a writer, nor do I like to write stories unless I'm starting off from scratch (meaning no existing properties, in fear of horribly butchering them), 2. I know I would screw something up somewhere and make myself a hypocrit in regards to what I originally said. 3. I'm pretty mediocre at drawing unless its building blueprints or a bridge design (Civil engineer).
Also, yes Jazz, Sideswipe and sunstreaker are pretty tough fighters, they have to be to survive this on-going civil war with the decepticons. But the thing that seperates them from the decepticons is that they'd rather have peace, than to keep fighting a war that only makes the body count keep rising. And Jazz's job is espionage, not hitman, he's a spy. He gets information in the most angerous scenarios, because of the same reason people skydive, or bungee jump, for the adrenaline, not so he can kill as many cons as possible during a mission.
Sure they could be congratulating bumblebee on a job well done but the way I interpretted the mosaic (and the writer even admitted this) was they were congratulating him on the kill. Thats the only part I meant in regards to being out of character. If it wasn't for the war, do you think they'd still be congratulating him on the kill? No, they wouldn't, autobots aren't blood thirsty power mongers like a good portion of the decepticons are (Starscream, Megatron, Jhiaxus, etc).
Anyways, like I said above, I apologize for the harshness of my original comments, I was not entirely in the right state of mind, and really didn't mean half of that anyway. To those who responded to me, yes you have a right to be angry with me but don't start insulting my tastes, especially with whoever said that I'm the reason for crappy sequels like the matrix ones. I said it once and I'll say it again, all 3 matrix movies blew. The only thing that was good about them was what they had special effects-wise. However the plot, the characters, and everything else was just a convoluted and crappy reimagining of Plato's Alegory of the Cave.
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