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Hotrodimust wrote:

Vicalliose wrote:Considering I'm still more-or-less on the fence for both the series and the toyline, These figures aren't doing anything for me.

I really don't buy it that TRU and other stores will take all the hundreds of Bumblebee repaints, but will not take the First Edition line on the basis that it's targeted to a collectors audience. Either way, It's a load of crap to me, and I wont take it anymore. To hell with the hole line, I'm spending it all on 3rd party!

I love it lol dosnt it seem the TF line is doing what Mattel does to dcuc and hasbro does to marvel legends. They make them harder to find cancel the figures everyone wants and then try's to make you buy the figures from their site to cut the middle man out. Remember when a new TF line came out and you went to a store and then had tons of them not just 4 or 5 figures sorry I should say 4 or 5 bumblebees. And what's with 2 new figures every 2 months and they only put one of each in a case of 8 figures. Toy collecting is going down the drain no matter what you collect these days. And I'm also buying a ton of 3rd party stuff this year atleast it's something that I want and my collection needs like perfect effect arcee that's a bad ass figure and is gonna look so good with my CHUG figures

paranoid much? this is a kids toy company.

njb902 wrote:

Hotrodimust wrote:

Vicalliose wrote:Considering I'm still more-or-less on the fence for both the series and the toyline, These figures aren't doing anything for me.

I really don't buy it that TRU and other stores will take all the hundreds of Bumblebee repaints, but will not take the First Edition line on the basis that it's targeted to a collectors audience. Either way, It's a load of crap to me, and I wont take it anymore. To hell with the hole line, I'm spending it all on 3rd party!

I love it lol dosnt it seem the TF line is doing what Mattel does to dcuc and hasbro does to marvel legends. They make them harder to find cancel the figures everyone wants and then try's to make you buy the figures from their site to cut the middle man out. Remember when a new TF line came out and you went to a store and then had tons of them not just 4 or 5 figures sorry I should say 4 or 5 bumblebees. And what's with 2 new figures every 2 months and they only put one of each in a case of 8 figures. Toy collecting is going down the drain no matter what you collect these days. And I'm also buying a ton of 3rd party stuff this year atleast it's something that I want and my collection needs like perfect effect arcee that's a bad ass figure and is gonna look so good with my CHUG figures

paranoid much? this is a kids toy company.

How is that beining paranoid and I'm not talking about they way they make them look I'm talking about how they distribute them to the stores and classic universe generations are geared towards collectors so it's not that kiddy

so your saying a major company is purposely wasting money on the engineering, labour, shipping, and materials on figures? they might not make the "right" decisions according to any of us but you really think profit isn't their main motivator? so I don't get the implication of them filling the pegs with 1 figure to drive up the costs of a rarer figure on their website. it just isn't economical.

All the Bumblebees are showing up in the waves aimed at kids as a core audience, not Generations. Also, Hasbro Toy Shop is far strung from a primary retail outlet for Hasbro. They have an incredibly random assortment of stuff on there, it seems laughable that they would deliberately shortchange us on those figures appearing at retail so they could sell them online.

[quote="njb902"]so your saying a major company is purposely wasting money on the engineering, labour, shipping, and materials on figures? they might not make the "right" decisions according to any of us but you really think profit isn't their main motivator? so I don't get the implication of them filling the pegs with 1 figure to drive up the costs of a rarer figure on their website. it just isn't economical.[/quote
Mattel just canceled their YJ line and all star line now the only way you can buy them is on mattycollector which is always sold out our you gotta have a subscription which is sold out now all those figured will be on eBay for triple the price. And with TFs hasbro has to do what the retail stores wanna sell they want popular characters like BB. So hasbro fills half the case with BB and he dosnt sell and keeps filling up the pegs. Now this is where I don't believe kids are the main people buying these figured because if kids were then why are all the BBs still sitting on pegs. The only figures missing are the ones collectors look for even voyager primes sit on the shelves. Idk about your area but my sons and all their friends do not give two shits about TFs they play beyblades and monsuno oh and yu gi oh not one of the kids at his school that I see outside have a TF they always trade beyblades. I have about 10 stores in a 15 minute drive from my house including Walmart target TRU and they all have the same figures untill a new case comes in and the figures that collectors want are gone and more peg Warner's join. But the section with beyblade is empty as soon as they get new one and avengers. Hasbro might make toys for kids but the kids in my area don't want their TFs and your gonna argue with me and say kids are the main buyers of TFs but I wounded who buys up all the new figured on bbts or TFsource or Robotkingdom and all the masterpieces and all the 3rd party. If hasbro wants to make more money they should cater to the collectors how do you think 3rd party companies are making their money

right and what time of year is it? try to find transformers around Christmas.....or hell they were even selling around easter. besides birthdays a lot of people arnt going to pay $15-$20 dollars for a toy. the examples you gave tend to be cheaper(not counting the big starter decks or coresponding beyblade parts) so easier for parents to stomache impulse buying.

right and what time of year is it? try to find transformers around Christmas.....or hell they were even selling around easter. besides birthdays a lot of people arnt going to pay $15-$20 dollars for a toy. the examples you gave tend to be cheaper(not counting the big starter decks or coresponding beyblade parts) so easier for parents to stomache impulse buying.

njb902 wrote:so your saying a major company is purposely wasting money on the engineering, labour, shipping, and materials on figures? they might not make the "right" decisions according to any of us but you really think profit isn't their main motivator? so I don't get the implication of them filling the pegs with 1 figure to drive up the costs of a rarer figure on their website. it just isn't economical.

Target and Walmart want the figures kids know BB and prime so hasbro puts more of those figure in case. Now it's obvious kids arnt buying the BB and primes cuz they sit on the pegs the only figures missing are the figures collectors want. I have 2 sons and they don't give a crap about TF and neither do their friends all they play is beyblade even at school all their friends trade parts with them. Now this is in my area maybe more kids like TF in yours. I think if hasbro wants to sell more TF they need to cater to collectors how do you think 3rd party companies do so well with their products and as far as kids being the main buyers of TF is bullshit who buys all the cases and figures on bbts TFsourse RK tfcc not kids. And as far as Mattel they just canceled their whole YJ like and their all star line from retail stores you have to buy them on Mattycollector.com but they are always sold out or you gotta have a subscription which is always sold out so collectors are forced to buy from eBay for triple the price and the same with TFs I find arch and ratchet I pay $24 for them put them on eBay and sell them for $40 every time oh plus shipping. People should be able to find these figures in stores no problem but nip cuz they are 1 to a case for wave 2 and 3

njb902 wrote:so your saying a major company is purposely wasting money on the engineering, labour, shipping, and materials on figures? they might not make the "right" decisions according to any of us but you really think profit isn't their main motivator? so I don't get the implication of them filling the pegs with 1 figure to drive up the costs of a rarer figure on their website. it just isn't economical.

Target and Walmart want the figures kids know BB and prime so hasbro puts more of those figure in case. Now it's obvious kids arnt buying the BB and primes cuz they sit on the pegs the only figures missing are the figures collectors want. I have 2 sons and they don't give a crap about TF and neither do their friends all they play is beyblade even at school all their friends trade parts with them. Now this is in my area maybe more kids like TF in yours. I think if hasbro wants to sell more TF they need to cater to collectors how do you think 3rd party companies do so well with their products and as far as kids being the main buyers of TF is bullshit who buys all the cases and figures on bbts TFsourse RK tfcc not kids. And as far as Mattel they just canceled their whole YJ like and their all star line from retail stores you have to buy them on Mattycollector.com but they are always sold out or you gotta have a subscription which is always sold out so collectors are forced to buy from eBay for triple the price and the same with TFs I find arch and ratchet I pay $24 for them put them on eBay and sell them for $40 every time oh plus shipping. People should be able to find these figures in stores no problem but nip cuz they are 1 to a case for wave 2 and 3

Hotrodimust wrote:

njb902 wrote:so your saying a major company is purposely wasting money on the engineering, labour, shipping, and materials on figures? they might not make the "right" decisions according to any of us but you really think profit isn't their main motivator? so I don't get the implication of them filling the pegs with 1 figure to drive up the costs of a rarer figure on their website. it just isn't economical.

Target and Walmart want the figures kids know BB and prime so hasbro puts more of those figure in case. Now it's obvious kids arnt buying the BB and primes cuz they sit on the pegs the only figures missing are the figures collectors want. I have 2 sons and they don't give a crap about TF and neither do their friends all they play is beyblade even at school all their friends trade parts with them. Now this is in my area maybe more kids like TF in yours. I think if hasbro wants to sell more TF they need to cater to collectors how do you think 3rd party companies do so well with their products and as far as kids being the main buyers of TF is bullshit who buys all the cases and figures on bbts TFsourse RK tfcc not kids. And as far as Mattel they just canceled their whole YJ like and their all star line from retail stores you have to buy them on Mattycollector.com but they are always sold out or you gotta have a subscription which is always sold out so collectors are forced to buy from eBay for triple the price and the same with TFs I find arch and ratchet I pay $24 for them put them on eBay and sell them for $40 every time oh plus shipping. People should be able to find these figures in stores no problem but nip cuz they are 1 to a case for wave 2 and 3

not haveing any sales to profit ratios or sales demographic figures either for hasbro or the rippoffers kinda renders this argument mute. so since I started this duel the choice of weapons is yours......please pick flame throwers at 5 paces.

njb902 wrote:

Hotrodimust wrote:

njb902 wrote:so your saying a major company is purposely wasting money on the engineering, labour, shipping, and materials on figures? they might not make the "right" decisions according to any of us but you really think profit isn't their main motivator? so I don't get the implication of them filling the pegs with 1 figure to drive up the costs of a rarer figure on their website. it just isn't economical.

Target and Walmart want the figures kids know BB and prime so hasbro puts more of those figure in case. Now it's obvious kids arnt buying the BB and primes cuz they sit on the pegs the only figures missing are the figures collectors want. I have 2 sons and they don't give a crap about TF and neither do their friends all they play is beyblade even at school all their friends trade parts with them. Now this is in my area maybe more kids like TF in yours. I think if hasbro wants to sell more TF they need to cater to collectors how do you think 3rd party companies do so well with their products and as far as kids being the main buyers of TF is bullshit who buys all the cases and figures on bbts TFsourse RK tfcc not kids. And as far as Mattel they just canceled their whole YJ like and their all star line from retail stores you have to buy them on Mattycollector.com but they are always sold out or you gotta have a subscription which is always sold out so collectors are forced to buy from eBay for triple the price and the same with TFs I find arch and ratchet I pay $24 for them put them on eBay and sell them for $40 every time oh plus shipping. People should be able to find these figures in stores no problem but nip cuz they are 1 to a case for wave 2 and 3

not haveing any sales to profit ratios or sales demographic figures either for hasbro or the rippoffers kinda renders this argument mute. so since I started this duel the choice of weapons is yours......please pick flame throwers at 5 paces.

Around Christmas the shelves were stocked with dotm figures super stocked then after Xmas Walmart had a $3 off coupon on every dotm figure that was already $9.99 and no one still bought them now they sit on the shelves of tj max and Marshall's for $6.99 each and they just sit there bumblebees and starscreams skids all **** over abundant figures. I know it dosnt make sence but it's what is going on hasbros last quarters were down and my choice of weapon flame retardant bat cowl and cape if your choosing a flamethrower

dude! did you just use punctuation?

Hotrodimust wrote:

njb902 wrote:

Hotrodimust wrote:

njb902 wrote:so your saying a major company is purposely wasting money on the engineering, labour, shipping, and materials on figures? they might not make the "right" decisions according to any of us but you really think profit isn't their main motivator? so I don't get the implication of them filling the pegs with 1 figure to drive up the costs of a rarer figure on their website. it just isn't economical.

Target and Walmart want the figures kids know BB and prime so hasbro puts more of those figure in case. Now it's obvious kids arnt buying the BB and primes cuz they sit on the pegs the only figures missing are the figures collectors want. I have 2 sons and they don't give a crap about TF and neither do their friends all they play is beyblade even at school all their friends trade parts with them. Now this is in my area maybe more kids like TF in yours. I think if hasbro wants to sell more TF they need to cater to collectors how do you think 3rd party companies do so well with their products and as far as kids being the main buyers of TF is bullshit who buys all the cases and figures on bbts TFsourse RK tfcc not kids. And as far as Mattel they just canceled their whole YJ like and their all star line from retail stores you have to buy them on Mattycollector.com but they are always sold out or you gotta have a subscription which is always sold out so collectors are forced to buy from eBay for triple the price and the same with TFs I find arch and ratchet I pay $24 for them put them on eBay and sell them for $40 every time oh plus shipping. People should be able to find these figures in stores no problem but nip cuz they are 1 to a case for wave 2 and 3

not haveing any sales to profit ratios or sales demographic figures either for hasbro or the rippoffers kinda renders this argument mute. so since I started this duel the choice of weapons is yours......please pick flame throwers at 5 paces.

Around Christmas the shelves were stocked with dotm figures super stocked then after Xmas Walmart had a $3 off coupon on every dotm figure that was already $9.99 and no one still bought them now they sit on the shelves of tj max and Marshall's for $6.99 each and they just sit there bumblebees and starscreams skids all **** over abundant figures. I know it dosnt make sence but it's what is going on hasbros last quarters were down and my choice of weapon flame retardant bat cowl and cape if your choosing a flamethrower

no no we both have to use the weapon you choose......I just gave a ironic suggestion......seriously pick flamethrowers at 5 paces.

Hotrodimust wrote:

njb902 wrote:

Hotrodimust wrote:

njb902 wrote:so your saying a major company is purposely wasting money on the engineering, labour, shipping, and materials on figures? they might not make the "right" decisions according to any of us but you really think profit isn't their main motivator? so I don't get the implication of them filling the pegs with 1 figure to drive up the costs of a rarer figure on their website. it just isn't economical.

Target and Walmart want the figures kids know BB and prime so hasbro puts more of those figure in case. Now it's obvious kids arnt buying the BB and primes cuz they sit on the pegs the only figures missing are the figures collectors want. I have 2 sons and they don't give a crap about TF and neither do their friends all they play is beyblade even at school all their friends trade parts with them. Now this is in my area maybe more kids like TF in yours. I think if hasbro wants to sell more TF they need to cater to collectors how do you think 3rd party companies do so well with their products and as far as kids being the main buyers of TF is bullshit who buys all the cases and figures on bbts TFsourse RK tfcc not kids. And as far as Mattel they just canceled their whole YJ like and their all star line from retail stores you have to buy them on Mattycollector.com but they are always sold out or you gotta have a subscription which is always sold out so collectors are forced to buy from eBay for triple the price and the same with TFs I find arch and ratchet I pay $24 for them put them on eBay and sell them for $40 every time oh plus shipping. People should be able to find these figures in stores no problem but nip cuz they are 1 to a case for wave 2 and 3

not haveing any sales to profit ratios or sales demographic figures either for hasbro or the rippoffers kinda renders this argument mute. so since I started this duel the choice of weapons is yours......please pick flame throwers at 5 paces.

Around Christmas the shelves were stocked with dotm figures super stocked then after Xmas Walmart had a $3 off coupon on every dotm figure that was already $9.99 and no one still bought them now they sit on the shelves of tj max and Marshall's for $6.99 each and they just sit there bumblebees and starscreams skids all **** over abundant figures. I know it dosnt make sence but it's what is going on hasbros last quarters were down and my choice of weapon flame retardant bat cowl and cape if your choosing a flamethrower

So what's your reason only bumblebees and cliffjumpers sit on pegs and do you know why the last wave of dotm was canceled

Hotrodimust wrote:

Hotrodimust wrote:

njb902 wrote:

Hotrodimust wrote:

njb902 wrote:so your saying a major company is purposely wasting money on the engineering, labour, shipping, and materials on figures? they might not make the "right" decisions according to any of us but you really think profit isn't their main motivator? so I don't get the implication of them filling the pegs with 1 figure to drive up the costs of a rarer figure on their website. it just isn't economical.

Target and Walmart want the figures kids know BB and prime so hasbro puts more of those figure in case. Now it's obvious kids arnt buying the BB and primes cuz they sit on the pegs the only figures missing are the figures collectors want. I have 2 sons and they don't give a crap about TF and neither do their friends all they play is beyblade even at school all their friends trade parts with them. Now this is in my area maybe more kids like TF in yours. I think if hasbro wants to sell more TF they need to cater to collectors how do you think 3rd party companies do so well with their products and as far as kids being the main buyers of TF is bullshit who buys all the cases and figures on bbts TFsourse RK tfcc not kids. And as far as Mattel they just canceled their whole YJ like and their all star line from retail stores you have to buy them on Mattycollector.com but they are always sold out or you gotta have a subscription which is always sold out so collectors are forced to buy from eBay for triple the price and the same with TFs I find arch and ratchet I pay $24 for them put them on eBay and sell them for $40 every time oh plus shipping. People should be able to find these figures in stores no problem but nip cuz they are 1 to a case for wave 2 and 3

not haveing any sales to profit ratios or sales demographic figures either for hasbro or the rippoffers kinda renders this argument mute. so since I started this duel the choice of weapons is yours......please pick flame throwers at 5 paces.

Around Christmas the shelves were stocked with dotm figures super stocked then after Xmas Walmart had a $3 off coupon on every dotm figure that was already $9.99 and no one still bought them now they sit on the shelves of tj max and Marshall's for $6.99 each and they just sit there bumblebees and starscreams skids all **** over abundant figures. I know it dosnt make sence but it's what is going on hasbros last quarters were down and my choice of weapon flame retardant bat cowl and cape if your choosing a flamethrower

So what's your reason only bumblebees and cliffjumpers sit on pegs and do you know why the last wave of dotm was canceled

Ok so I gotta choose a weapon um ion blasters and how does this work I've never done nor seen an online duel Lol

craggy wrote:

craggy for the win......all hail craggycon

Andim not saying that hasbro or Mattel is trying to make us buy from eBay at overpriced costs I'm saying it's a result from the way they distribute their figures

Hotrodimust wrote:Andim not saying that hasbro or Mattel is trying to make us buy from eBay at overpriced costs I'm saying it's a result from the way they distribute their figures

or the slow economic recovery, rise in Chinese labour costs, higher shipping, and the expected fall off in non movie related sales, which only dropped 30% as opposed to the market expected 50%.

njb902 wrote:

Hotrodimust wrote:Andim not saying that hasbro or Mattel is trying to make us buy from eBay at overpriced costs I'm saying it's a result from the way they distribute their figures

or the slow economic recovery, rise in Chinese labour costs, higher shipping, and the expected fall off in non movie related sales, which only dropped 30% as opposed to the market expected 50%.

Ok 8 figures come in a case 4 a BB 1 cliff 1 wheeljack 1 arcee 1 ratchet now that might not be they way they come but I do know it's 1 arcee 1 ratchet. Now if they put 1 BB 1 cliff 3 arcee 3 ratchet their would be enuf so people wouldn't have to go on eBay and find them and remember this is wave 2 BB and cliff were already heavily released in wave 1 why put 4 BB in wave 2 if most people got I'm in wave 1 and would want the new figures not old ones and I'm talking kids and adults alike it has nothing to do who they are trying to hear the figures towards. Because the stores want the popular figures on their shelves they don't have to sell hasbro figures so yes they do have say in it. And that's one of the reasons the last wave of dotm didn't hit stores because they had to many dotm figures left over from kids and collectors not liking them because the figure selection was crap they had 9 BB figures in the dotm line that's just deluxe HA and leader I didn't count my cyberverse ones. Really why do we need that many BBs. I may not be 100% right but I'm not 100% wrong either. If I owned my own toy company and people say hey if you make this **** I'll buy it hell I'll buy 2 wouldn't you make it also I sell on eBay I only try and sell the stuff I know that will sell its like the first rule of trying to sell stuff to make money Idk maybe it's just me I mean I only make $3000 to $40000 a month on eBay selling TF toys and a couple other toy lines and if I put a prime BB on eBay for $10 it will never sell because no one wants him
And they are every where because no one wants him and all those BBs gotta make up for a chunk of hasbros profits no

I highly doubt you can make $40,000 a month selling TFs that you pick up at a local store.

craggy wrote:I highly doubt you can make $40,000 a month selling TFs that you pick up at a local store.

I thought I put $4000 not $40000 sorry that you couldn't pick up on the typo since I put $3000 before that

Rumble and Airachnid will be mine. Gonna hold out on Kup until we get word on Ironhide. Dead End AKA Disco Wheeljack and Shadow BB I am passing on.

I only wish Airachnid could turn into her spider form too. Maybe if they make a Voyager of her in the future with that ability. I doubt it however.

I have given up on Prime toys.

Tyrannotaur wrote:Rumble and Airachnid will be mine. Gonna hold out on Kup until we get word on Ironhide. Dead End AKA Disco Wheeljack and Shadow BB I am passing on.

I'm getting Kup on the chance that Ironhide turns out to be Takara-only (like some of the other figures we heard about).