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Rodimus Prime wrote:

burning_sirius wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:
There's no influence from Zarak on Scorponok. They were never connected. Zarak just basically hijacked Scorponok's body, and now he has a new one. The Prime/Hi-Q comparison doesn't really apply. Headmasters and Powermasters are completely different in the way they combine and what the purpose of that combination is.

Both use binary bonding.

OK, I'll give you that 1. After further thought, I also wonder how Zarak's and Spike's bonding were different. They were both Headmasters, but while Spike and Max struggled to coexist, Zarak was in complete control of Scorponok's body. Did the entirety of Scorponok's consciousness remain on Nebulos, unlike Maximus? Is that why he had no trouble re-emerging so easily? Hopefully this will be explained in the upcoming issues.

My thoughts were always that Spike formed Cerebros's head which in turn then formed Fort Max's head so even without Spike you have Fort Max's head albeit incomplete. You can look at it two different ways, either Cerebros makes a full Fort Max head comeplete with brain module or Spike would need to be at the centre.

I'm of the opinion it's the former as you remember Fort Max was shown with a head with Spike on his shoulder wearing his helmet and even talked, so perhaps he did not need Spike to form his head for him to have some independent thought and action?

The difference with Zarak was without him Scorponok had no head whatsoever, and even referred to himself as Zarak rather than Scorponok so it could have been Zarak did literally make use of Scorponok's body.

Guess we need SF to actually address this in the upcoming story

skyshadowprimus wrote:My thoughts were always that Spike formed Cerebros's head which in turn then formed Fort Max's head so even without Spike you have Fort Max's head albeit incomplete. You can look at it two different ways, either Cerebros makes a full Fort Max head comeplete with brain module or Spike would need to be at the centre.

I'm of the opinion it's the former as you remember Fort Max was shown with a head with Spike on his shoulder wearing his helmet and even talked, so perhaps he did not need Spike to form his head for him to have some independent thought and action?

I think it's the latter, that's why Spike needed the helmet. It put him in control of Max, even though he wasn't attached to Cerebros physically. Otherwise, Max wouldn't have responded, even though his head (Cerebros) was actually in place. It wasn't complete, because Spike wasn't transformed into Cerebros' head.

The difference with Zarak was without him Scorponok had no head whatsoever, and even referred to himself as Zarak rather than Scorponok so it could have been Zarak did literally make use of Scorponok's body.

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. Also, IIRC, Cerebros didn't become part of Max until Galen had Max's body enlarged on the trip from Nebulos to Earth. Thus the need for a head-enlargement, because Galen (and later Spike) would have been too small by himself as Max's head. Thus the double headmaster.

Guess we need SF to actually address this in the upcoming story

Yeah, I hope he puts a little meat on the bones in the new stories, instead of just using the next 15 issues to tie loose ends up. Even though the quality and pacing of the story is subpar to the original Gen 1 stuff. Still better than anything else I've seen so far.

Rodimus Prime wrote: Yeah, I hope he puts a little meat on the bones in the new stories, instead of just using the next 15 issues to tie loose ends up. Even though the quality and pacing of the story is subpar to the original Gen 1 stuff. Still better than anything else I've seen so far.

I've said on some other forums that I think the problem with Regen is that 20 years ago when we were children once you bought the comic and read the letters page, aside from friends at school you had very little exposure to anything to keep your attention on the story. Now with the internet and forums and the like everyone is talking about the issues building up the hype of each issue which I always feel will be an anti-climax.

I agree the pacing has been a little slow but I'm a firm believer that had I read issues 81-85 as a child after the Marvel run I wouldn't be nearly so critical now and on the same note I hold the original comics in some kind of religious esteem as they are my treasured childhood memories and it's hard to review them objectively as an adult.

I think SF will come good on the story, his style has always been a slow burn on laying the threads and plots, then some twists and turns with the last 1/3 of the saga always filled with exciting plot twists and developments with a huge pay off.

Think of the UK stuff with Fallen Angel back in Feb 1987 that plot spanned two years finally culminating in Time Wars in 1989, it's what SF does best

skyshadowprimus wrote: I hold the original comics in some kind of religious esteem as they are my treasured childhood memories and it's hard to review them objectively as an adult.

I'm the same way. I'd put the Marvel G1 story up against any other TF continuity (especially Furman's run) and have it come out ahead.

Think of the UK stuff with Fallen Angel back in Feb 1987 that plot spanned two years finally culminating in Time Wars in 1989, it's what SF does best

Never read the UK stuff. I tried to, but the art is hideous, it put me off too much.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

skyshadowprimus wrote:

Think of the UK stuff with Fallen Angel back in Feb 1987 that plot spanned two years finally culminating in Time Wars in 1989, it's what SF does best

Never read the UK stuff. I tried to, but the art is hideous, it put me off too much.

Really depends on the Artist, Jeff Anderson's gentle pencils always made for a good story, then moving onto Bryan Hitch for a bit grittier, Dan Reed's was a bit bendy and weird but enjoyable and then you have messers Senior and Sullivan with very aggressive and high energy scenes, but this is not everyone's cup of tea.

It's like anything if you grew up with it you're a lot less critical of it as a child, but either way start with Fallen Angel and try reading the main issue of:

Fallen Angel
Wanted Galvatron Dead or Alive
Burning Sky
Hunters
Fire on High
Ancient Relics (crossover with Action Force/GiJoe)
Headhunt
Ladies Night
Legacy of Unicron
Enemy Action
Salvage
City of Fear
Legion of the Lost
Meltdown
Wrecking Havoc
Space Pirates
Time Wars

In that order, the art on all of these stories is pretty good (IMO) and you've got a rich 2 years worth of plot threads that really showcase all the future characters.

Course if the art isn't your thing I appreciate you won't get the enjoyment out of them but I think you're missing out on some classic stories here

Yeah, I heard about Space Pirates and Time Wars. But, ironically, the blocky art doesn't appeal to me much. I'm too accustomed to Wildman's stuff and the US version of Marvel.