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Autobot032 wrote:However, considering this is the first and only post of Stig's so far, and we've seen hide nor hair of this person since...doesn't that lend credence to the troll theory?

If this was my first post on a forum, and this was the reaction I received, then yeah, it would be my one and only post because I sure as hell wouldn't want to bother with a forum of people who either couldn't respect my opinion or instantly branded me a troll.

Even if it's a troll, so what? That gives you a right to be rude to them? Does that not make you a troll yourself for sinking to their level?

I don't really think it was the worst, at first I thought it was stupid because I wasn't used to it and it seemed like they put things out of place. I was wrong about it though. I thought the storyline was very well put together and though there are some things I didn't like such as the way their faces looked and some of their bodies, it was a nice little series I enjoyed, just not as much as some others. The all around design of the cartoon reminded me of teen titans which was why I thought it was weird lol other then that I thought it was cool.

Shockwave was the best! Blur was also pretty awesome and accurate to his original self. As for optimus..it gives you a look of how he could of been as a younger bot. x3 I thought that was awesome sorta.

Burn wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:However, considering this is the first and only post of Stig's so far, and we've seen hide nor hair of this person since...doesn't that lend credence to the troll theory?

If this was my first post on a forum, and this was the reaction I received, then yeah, it would be my one and only post because I sure as hell wouldn't want to bother with a forum of people who either couldn't respect my opinion or instantly branded me a troll.

Even if it's a troll, so what? That gives you a right to be rude to them? Does that not make you a troll yourself for sinking to their level?

Wait a second now. I wasn't the only person, nor was I the first to brand this person a troll.

So, I'm hoping that "you" is us in general, and not me specifically. I get the feeling you have a problem with me, I can tell you get rather tense when dealing with me, and I'm not sure why. I know I'm not easy to deal with, but I'm most certainly not the worst poster you've had to deal with and I won't be the last.

If you do have a problem with me, take it to PM. Otherwise, make your comments more clear, because I've every reason to take offense to that statement.

Considering that you were the only one to respond to what I said, then yes, I guess that does make it you specifically considering no one else seemed to have had a problem with what I said.

Problem with you? Absoloutely not. What I posted was a bit of general advice, guiding people back onto track and not to resort attacking/criticising someone just because people didn't agree with their post.

Simple guidance and recommendations. I never singled anyone out until you decided to take it personally rather than listening to my words and moving on.

Burn, I think you're trying even harder than I would to be diplomatic.

Considering it's no secret that Animated is very, very well-liked among the fandom (and A/E/C... less so) I'd wager anyone who makes their first post very bluntly ranting that Animated is the worst series ever and they want more A/E/C-like fiction, in a rather undiplomatic style of writing, is either trying to stir something up or VERY inattentive to the fandom.

Especially since said post focused entirely on the graphics and said nothing about the writing (which suggests pretty shallow tastes as well, if the person's at all serious).

Jeysie wrote:Considering it's no secret that Animated is very, very well-liked among the fandom (and A/E/C... less so) I'd wager anyone who makes their first post very bluntly ranting that Animated is the worst series ever and they want more A/E/C-like fiction, in a rather undiplomatic style of writing, is either trying to stir something up or VERY inattentive to the fandom.

And that gives other members the right to be rude?

Especially since said post focused entirely on the graphics and said nothing about the writing (which suggests pretty shallow tastes as well, if the person's at all serious).

I couldn't get past the animated style. Does that make me shallow?

Jeysie wrote:
Considering it's no secret that Animated is very, very well-liked among the fandom (and A/E/C... less so) I'd wager anyone who makes their first post very bluntly ranting that Animated is the worst series ever and they want more A/E/C-like fiction, in a rather undiplomatic style of writing, is either trying to stir something up or VERY inattentive to the fandom.

Or maybe they just had to re-register because they forgot their username and password.

I always find it a bit odd when a n00b posts something so, well, "contraversal" on their first post, but of course, maybe they post somewhere else a lot and are just in that habit. Goodness knows when I've come to new forums some of my first posts are like what I'd brandishly post here.

Too many reasons to consider, me thinks.

Edit: I have a sneaking suspision that "brandishly" isn't a word.

Burn wrote:

Jeysie wrote:Considering it's no secret that Animated is very, very well-liked among the fandom (and A/E/C... less so) I'd wager anyone who makes their first post very bluntly ranting that Animated is the worst series ever and they want more A/E/C-like fiction, in a rather undiplomatic style of writing, is either trying to stir something up or VERY inattentive to the fandom.

And that gives other members the right to be rude?

If someone's going to either be completely ignorant or try to stir things up, by posting something that was phrased as being rude towards something a lot of people like, I'm not really sure why the OP gets a complete pass from you, but anyone who reacts in kind is "the bad guy". (Basically, no it doesn't give them the right, but if you're going to gripe at others for "bad behavior", then the OP is just as guilty/deserving.)

Burn wrote:I couldn't get past the animated style. Does that make me shallow?

If you decided to pan a show solely on how it looks, yes it does. And certainly the OP saying it's "the worst show" ever while commenting on just the graphics is utterly ridiculous.

Jeysie wrote:If someone's going to either be completely ignorant or try to stir things up, by posting something that was phrased as being rude towards something a lot of people like, I'm not really sure why the OP gets a complete pass from you, but anyone who reacts in kind is "the bad guy". (Basically, no it doesn't give them the right, but if you're going to gripe at others for "bad behavior", then the OP is just as guilty/deserving.)

All he did was post his opinion on the show. He broke no rules so no "complete pass" is required.

And as I previously explained, I didn't single anyone out, I made a general remark that people should try to be a little nicer. The forums have RULES. We as a community do not bend those rules simply because a bunch of people have decided that a person is a troll. You disagree with a person's opinions RESPECTFULLY regardless of how they may come across.

This is the point i've been trying to make.

And as i've mentioned in other threads, if a person has a problem with another person's post, use the "Report this Post" button and let a Moderator deal with it and move on.

Jeysie wrote:

Burn wrote:I couldn't get past the animated style. Does that make me shallow?

If you decided to pan a show solely on how it looks, yes it does. And certainly the OP saying it's "the worst show" ever while commenting on just the graphics is utterly ridiculous.

I didn't like the animation style of TF:A. Because of that I found it very difficult to get into the show. I also found it very difficult to enjoy the toys.

That's my opinion.

It does not make me shallow.

That is your opinion.

There is no right or wrong in whether a person likes TF:A or not.

stig wrote:Can I Ask you people a question? Doesn't anyone else find Transformers Animated the worst Transformers tv series the worst cartoon series ever? [/quote\

No I think most TF fans wouldnt agree with you.

They should just do what they've done for the past seasons (Transformers R.I.D.- Transformers Cybertron), and stick with computer animated graphics.

Dude,did you watch RID???

RID didnt really have any CGI animation.

Energon and Cybertron did but RID hardly had any..

And many fans felt the CGI in Cybertron and Energon were poorly done.Or we could be looking at the sell-out of the Transformers Tv show.

Stig

Burn wrote:And as i've mentioned in other threads, if a person has a problem with another person's post, use the "Report this Post" button and let a Moderator deal with it and move on.

You seem to be the only one taking any real issue with how people are posting. Most folk just seem to be commenting, correctly, that the OP seems to have made a post phrased in such a way to stir people up, whether they meant to or not.

Burn wrote:I didn't like the animation style of TF:A. Because of that I found it very difficult to get into the show. I also found it very difficult to enjoy the toys.

That's my opinion.

It does not make me shallow.

If you only care about how something looks, without getting into the substance of something, that's kinda the textbook definition of shallow.

(Not to mention, as a writer, I find it rather irritating whenever writing gets marginalized, like when people overlook good writing for superficial reasons, and equally when people lap up something with awful writing just because it's in a flashy wrapper.)

See, this is why we can never get along anymore. If you like something, you're desperately clinging to ancient alliegences (like G1). If you don't like something, you're just a jerk who's shallow and stuck in the past.

As much as I ruin things with my opinion, I'm with Burn. I don't really think that I should be considered a shallow person because I didn't like a cartoon. But we've been all over these kinds of arguements. But Animated, and ROTF/the live action movies in general, and the Botcon Seekers (yeah, I'm grave robbin' on that one...), they're just these polarizing 'issues' and it's not about talking about them, it's about being right. Quality and enjoyment and these things, they're subjective matters. There's some kind of value in everything, but whether or not you want to accept that value or whether or not you personally find something valuable, that's pretty much up to you.

My eternal cartoon disclaimer is that I love Beast Machines, and very few people have any difficulty bashing that show or accepting that other people bash that show. I don't know why Animated gets the whole poor little brother treatment, like 'ah, someone's not liking Animated.....' Like, I sympathize that people like a show that gets picked on a lot, but it's just a cartoon, you know?

Dagon wrote:If you don't like something, you're just a jerk who's shallow and stuck in the past.

I never said that.

Dagon wrote:I don't really think that I should be considered a shallow person because I didn't like a cartoon.

I never said that either.

I don't have a problem with people who don't like Animated as a general thing. There's some people who didn't like the actual substance of Animated: didn't like the heavy G1 references, didn't like that it was human villain-centric, didn't like the humor, etc. That's fine, that's their taste.

It is the thought of not liking a story based on how it looks style-wise that I find shallow. As then you're judging something on its superficial features rather than on its substance. (Now, if the art was so bad it interfered with telling the story, that'd be different, but the G1 cartoon, at least, had far, far more mistakes in that regard than Animated did!)

Jeysie wrote:

Dagon wrote:If you don't like something, you're just a jerk who's shallow and stuck in the past.

I never said that.

Dagon wrote:I don't really think that I should be considered a shallow person because I didn't like a cartoon.

I never said that either.

I don't have a problem with people who don't like Animated as a general thing. There's some people who didn't like the actual substance of Animated: didn't like the heavy G1 references, didn't like that it was human villain-centric, didn't like the humor, etc. That's fine, that's their taste.

It is the thought of not liking a story based on how it looks style-wise that I find shallow. As then you're judging something on its superficial features rather than on its substance. (Now, if the art was so bad it interfered with telling the story, that'd be different, but the G1 cartoon, at least, had far, far more mistakes in that regard than Animated did!)

Just for clarity, I never said that you said those things up there. I was speaking generally. And oh yeah, did/does G1 have animation mistakes.
But in all reality, we constantly- as human beings-judge things on their superficial qualities. We don't eat things that look or smell horrible based on the idea that they look or smell horrible, which is superfical. They may taste great, and may be super nutritious, but if they look or smell awful, we probably don't eat them. I for one, have been saved a few uncomfortably nights by heeding that internal wisdom, cause some of the stuff in my fridge gets way rancid. It may be a damn blast to go skydiving, but I won't try it becuase it looks dangerous and pants-wettingly-frightening, based solely on its surface appearance.

And that's not as stupid an example as people may be wanting to call it. We make decisions based on the information we gather immediately, and that's just sort of a fact. To try and make it seem less like I'm grasping at an assinine example I give you this:
This past spring, my girlfriend and I took a class on Russian literature. One of the books on the list was (predictably) War and Peace, widely considered as one of the 'greatest novels ever written'. Now, that's a totally subjective statement. My girlfriend didn't even attempt to read it, based on the grounds that it was 'a really big book' and 'looked boring'. Don't blame me, I've read War and Peace three times.
I completely agree that we shouldn't judge books by their covers, which seems like the meat of this topic really, but we do. Maybe it's not right, but we do it.

Animated still is not the cause of the death of television as we know it though, and it's all still a matter of opinion.

Dagon wrote:But in all reality, we constantly- as human beings-judge things on their superficial qualities. We don't eat things that look or smell horrible based on the idea that they look or smell horrible, which is superfical.

Well, yes, because when it comes to food, stuff that looks or smells horrible is more likely to be spoiled or rotten. That doesn't exactly compare to fiction.

Like I said, I'm a writer, so I'm biased in that I get kind of irked that writing is frequently treated as having little importance. So, like I said, seeing what I feel is good writing get passed over due to something as minor as just not liking an aesthetic is just really, really frustrating. At least try the other 98% of something before panning it, I say.

The ironic thing is, I don't really like the Animated aesthetic either when it comes to the actual show. But considering everything else about the show--the writing, the voice acting, the technical quality of the art regards telling the story--I find highly appealing, it seems pretty silly to not watch it just based on the style.

Just to further illustrate my point, if I were inclined to pan and refuse to watch a show based on my opinions of the art, it would be Beast Wars I would pass over... and yet the general fandom opinion is that Beast Wars is one of TF's best shows.

Alright, i've officially had it with this thread.

I stepped in because I felt that regardless of whether you have 1 or 20000+ posts, your opinion should be respected.

And because I felt that NO ONE has the right to call someone else a troll.

Now I don't know the OP's intentions. Maybe they were baiting to get a rise out of some people, or maybe they were just posting their own thoughts and did so in an abrupt manner.

Thing is, I never once saw anyone click the "Report this post" button and lodge a complaint about it.

What I saw was two things.

1 - Some people respectfully try to discuss matters with the OP. Kudos to them.
2 - People be completely disrespectful and label the OP a troll. Not cool.

See, I like to think i'm a very fair and tolerable person. I've been here for many years and i've seen a lot of posters start out this way and with a bit of guidance become VERY valuable and contributing members of the site. So I like to give EVERYONE a chance to prove themselves.

What I don't like is when a person is leaped upon. Which is why I stepped in. Now I didn't single anyone out, I didn't issue any warnings, I simply offered some advice on how to deal with things.

Some people failed to see that and instead chose to IGNORE THE WORD OF A MODERATOR and justify why it was okay to label another poster a Troll.

Hey guess what, it's NOT OKAY to label another poster anything. Be it a troll or shallow.

Jeysie, i'm MAJORLY disappointed in you. I tried to sort out our disagreement privately, you IGNORED such attempts and have continued to not only call people shallow, but to ram your opinion down the throats of others.

NO ONE has that right to force their opinion onto others.

The Seibertron.com forums prides itself on having a community of members that can respectfully disagree with another person's opinion.

And if people can't be respectful, that's when us Moderators step in and things get nasty. Like I said, I tried to be tolerable, I tried to be reasonable, but i'll only be pushed so far.

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